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Offline TheKomodo

Re: Maverick's Padawan?
« Reply #30 on: August 11, 2012, 08:19 AM »
Hysteria is the scheme with the smalles learning curve in the Classic League and this case only goes to prove it to great extents.

I already answered that.

Basically, you don't even have to practice, if you're good at Elite and Bng you can win against anyone in Hysteria whereas regardless of your roping (or other scheme) skill, a scheme like RR requires dedication and trainning before you can compete in a league (as do most of the others).

I've already answered that as well, and plus, to be able to beat the top Hysteria players, you have to practise quite a bit, or pull off some very risky bluffs.

How do you know this guy doesn't have any previous experience of anything similar to this game? He's maybe just a naturally talented person with the ability to get good fast.

I have met so many people who couldn't even grasp how to shoot a drill from a rope recently...

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Re: Maverick's Padawan?
« Reply #31 on: August 11, 2012, 08:28 AM »
Hysteria is the scheme with the smalles learning curve in the Classic League and this case only goes to prove it to great extents.

I already answered that.

Basically, you don't even have to practice, if you're good at Elite and Bng you can win against anyone in Hysteria whereas regardless of your roping (or other scheme) skill, a scheme like RR requires dedication and trainning before you can compete in a league (as do most of the others).

I've already answered that as well, and plus, to be able to beat the top Hysteria players, you have to practise quite a bit, or pull off some very risky bluffs.

How do you know this guy doesn't have any previous experience of anything similar to this game? He's maybe just a naturally talented person with the ability to get good fast.

I have met so many people who couldn't even grasp how to shoot a drill from a rope recently...

I've beaten you in hysteria in my 4th game of this year (I was never an experienced hysteria player before, either). You can claim it was a funner and we were just messing about, we were, but fact remains, it would have never happened in Bng, roper or roperace.

You're just playing devil's advocate because you love the scheme. With your worms knowledge and experience failing to grasp how hysteria's nature as a scheme makes its learning curve mediocre when compared to other league scheme is totally contradictory, but then again, you don't appear to be reasonable anymore.
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Offline TheKomodo

Re: Maverick's Padawan?
« Reply #32 on: August 11, 2012, 09:13 AM »
I've beaten you in hysteria in my 4th game of this year (I was never an experienced hysteria player before, either). You can claim it was a funner and we were just messing about, we were, but fact remains, it would have never happened in Bng, roper or roperace.

That's the most dumb thing i've ever seen you say, really lol, thanks for that I guffawed !

*** Edit: Oh, and, a guy called melbo (dunno if alias or not, seems innocent enough) completely owned me in a funner with a 2 bar blue wind LG awesome plop shot...  It was awesome lol, wait, BnG must be flawed then.... Pfft, as if :D Shit happens lol. ***

Hysteria is SO crucial at times, you can lose by missing 1 turn, keeping your accuracy and consistency throughout the whole game isn't easy, this is something you are not good enough at in WA, if you were, you would understand where I am coming from and realise you are wrong.

Actually talking about a "funner" we played and using it as an example of competitive gameplay, regardless of scheme is just downright hilarious and unbelivable.

You're just playing devil's advocate because you love the scheme. With your worms knowledge and experience failing to grasp how hysteria's nature as a scheme makes its learning curve mediocre when compared to other league scheme is totally contradictory, but then again, you don't appear to be reasonable anymore.

I only started enjoying Hysteria because of it's similarities to BnG, I then fell in love with it because I realise how much skill is involved at top level, and I am good at that.

Take a bunch of people who have never played computer games in their life.

Take a bunch of people who have been playing WA for around 10 years or more, who by now are generally good "all-round" players who are average or better at all classic schemes, but don't specialise in any particular scheme, for example, they will more than likely always lose a Bo5 set against the best players of each scheme.

Take a bunch of people who specialise in each individual scheme, the players who beat the best all-rounders at their focused scheme, but tend to lose most others.

Let's imagine the scenario where this was all official, and the games etc were all professional, no avoiding, set number of games vs all players etc, can practise as much as they want, in their spare time, take the people who haven't played any computer games in their life, make some of them play all 8 TuS classic schemes competitively without specifically focusing on any single scheme, make the rest pick 1 scheme they favor and only play this scheme against the top players of that scheme.

In one or 2 years time, all the "noobs" who played all 8 schemes will probably be just as good an all-rounder as that type of person who has been playing for 10 years.

In one or 2 years time, the players who focused on single schemes will dominate that scheme against all the all-rounders, and more importantly, people like you ropa, who don't have the passion to focus on the scheme, regardless of how lucky you get, in sets of Bo5, they will destroy you almost everytime, and they will be competing 50/50 with the other top players of that scheme, same goes for ALL schemes...

Seriously man, why can't you people think outside your little boxes for once?

Bear in mind, if the whole world was playing WA, my point would make more sense.

There are weird people on Earth, such as myself, who takes things to ridiculous lengths to become better at some things than everyone around them, and haters can't touch them :P

So far only few people come to mind that fit this, off the top of my head, Me for BnG, Mablak for TTRR, Anubis for Warmers, and I think probably that Dario guy (am I right?) for Intermediate,  and Cueshark for SheepRacing, and actually, ropa for aliasing lol, and Anubis again for *cough* clanhopping ;D

Offline barman

Re: Maverick's Padawan?
« Reply #33 on: August 11, 2012, 10:21 AM »
*** Edit: Oh, and, a guy called melbo (dunno if alias or not, seems innocent enough) completely owned me in a funner with a 2 bar blue wind LG awesome plop shot...  It was awesome lol, wait, BnG must be flawed then.... Pfft, as if :D Shit happens lol. ***
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Offline fr4nk

Re: Maverick's Padawan?
« Reply #34 on: August 11, 2012, 11:05 AM »
Just ask yourself why new players use to pick Hysteria and not Shopper. Perhaps it's way f@#!ing easier to beat someone?
Why a player who plays since 2 months can beat FREQUENTLY experienced players? There must be something wrong. If this scheme requires skills, old players should own it easily, or at least in the most of the cases, but it's not like this.
Weird is how more competitive schemes like Aerial aren't even considerated.


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Offline TheKomodo

Re: Maverick's Padawan?
« Reply #35 on: August 11, 2012, 11:16 AM »
Just ask yourself why new players use to pick Hysteria and not Shopper. Perhaps it's way f@#!ing easier to beat someone?
Why a player who plays since 2 months can beat FREQUENTLY experienced players? There must be something wrong. If this scheme requires skills, old players should own it easily, or at least in the most of the cases, but it's not like this.


1. - It's more fun, nothing to do with difficulty, it's less frustrating learning Hysteria than it is TTRR against top players, at least in Hysteria, you can shoot people, kill worms, have a laugh, relax, in TTRR/Roper/Elite etc, alot of these players don't talk English or the native languages of other players, so they will simply NOT play a game they can not enjoy or even TALK to the f@#!ing person to ask how they got so good etc...

2. - This guy may beat "experienced players" but that doesn't mean he can beat the "best" players.


3. - If this guy could beat me, or Random, or Casso, or Almog etc in more than 1 Bo5 set,  he deserves it, enough said.


Offline fr4nk

Re: Maverick's Padawan?
« Reply #36 on: August 11, 2012, 11:45 AM »
You said how things are, Hysteria is a fun scheme, not for a serious competition. Put it in free league and everyone can keep having fun.


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Offline TheKomodo

Re: Maverick's Padawan?
« Reply #37 on: August 11, 2012, 11:48 AM »
You said how things are, Hysteria is a fun scheme, not for a serious competition. Put it in free league and everyone can keep having fun.

Don't twist my words please, I never said anything remotely like what you just said.

It's a fun scheme, but it's VERY competitive.

Offline darKz

Re: Maverick's Padawan?
« Reply #38 on: August 11, 2012, 12:38 PM »
Hysteria's learning curve is almost nonexistent, this thread - or rather the player the thread is about - proves it 100%, you can't deny this fact by putting your opinion against it.

Competition needs this learning curve however, it's not like you can win Wimbledon without practising your ass off.
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Offline fr4nk

Re: Maverick's Padawan?
« Reply #39 on: August 11, 2012, 12:52 PM »
I wonder how does it work. There's a way to vote for the abolition of the scheme or just mods can take a decision?


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Offline TheKomodo

Re: Maverick's Padawan?
« Reply #40 on: August 11, 2012, 01:28 PM »
I really don't understand with everything I have said about Hysteria, you still have this 1 track mind and you can't even counter my arguements, you just keep saying the same thing everytime...

Explain to me in GREAT detail, why you think there is no learning curve in Hysteria, so I can counter it.

Offline Peja

Re: Maverick's Padawan?
« Reply #41 on: August 11, 2012, 01:29 PM »
i wanna see how frank is going to vote down the by far most popular scheme in classic league;  u will rather win an election against lukashenko in belarus ;D
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Offline fr4nk

Re: Maverick's Padawan?
« Reply #42 on: August 11, 2012, 02:19 PM »
I wanna see how you could not understand what I said.
I asked how schemes are picked for the classic or free league, by popular votes or by mods.


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Offline TheKomodo

Re: Maverick's Padawan?
« Reply #43 on: August 11, 2012, 02:24 PM »
I am actually ok with Hysteria being moved to Free League, as well as including Darts in Free league.

Imo, Free League is becoming better than Classic...

As long as the scheme, stays exactly the same, maybe with optionable SD timer settings as only change.

Offline Peja

Re: Maverick's Padawan?
« Reply #44 on: August 11, 2012, 02:26 PM »
seems like you cant understand me, well im trying to be more clear. you are wasting your f@#!ing energy and time, no mod will remove remove hysteria from classic league and no vote will remove hysteria from classic league. you can keep bullshitting in every thread, you can make 100000 photos of you and a madonna, you can even pray to shiva and vishnu, the result will be the same.
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