TEL system

[MonkeyIsland]

Seems I'll release TEL sooner, in fact I could release it tonight, but lets take a moment to figure out its point/system.

as for TNL, the system was designed to accept best of N games. For example, people could report 3:2 in TNL and system would counted in a way that 3:2 would bring you more points than 2:1 because you played more games.
so in this way, you could have an agreement before game that you wanna play bo1 to bo9 and the winner reports once.

The other way is to make it like classic or free league. One report per each game.

Do you want to report each game individually or you want to be able to report games with results?
Post any other idea about TEL here, the sonner we finish this, the sooner TEL will be on its way.

[SPW]

At first, I really looking forward to play TEL soon Good job there, MI.

System / Generel

I would prefer single reports like at single league. I also would prefer that people host one Elite each. But it should be possible to report just one Elite. For "Best of Series" there are tourneys, I think thats enough.

Pointing system analog Single League, I'd say.

Playoffs

To get into Playoffs you should have at least 50 Single-Elite Games reported and be at Top 8 at ranking.

Lobby

I really would prefer that TEL games should be played at "non-knocking channel", like #pt. If both players didnt agree / forget to play at #pt, they just have to find a solution by themself if any knocks "kills" the game. If they cant, game should just be voided and rehosted.

Scheme

Use Elite Scheme from TUS only. But thats not a problem I guess

Maximum Amount of playing same oppenent

I vote there should be a number of games which you can play vs same oppenent. I'd start with 10 games per season / max. 4 in one week.

Complains

As managed like at other leagues, no "extra judgement" needed.

Maps

Playing at saved maps or maps from a open map pack should be forbidden at all. Only "island maps" allowed, no caves.

Thats all I have in my mind, so far.

[franz]

reporting best of N games or single reports, both seem fine, I don't think it matters either way, so just pick one way.

50 game minimum for playoffs seems ok I guess.. maybe just Top 4 though?  should encourage people to play games and fight for the spots, and it's first season.. so maybe expand to more in future if needed?

partytime# would be best, for sure.  just gotta remember it.  I've been using it lately anyway.

10 games limit per season?  well how long is a season?  and only 4 in a week?  hmm, they seem a bit strict from the start.. maybe expand them for first season?  just a thought

avoid saved maps, yes please ;d

[TheKomodo]

SPW, wouldn't you prefer to have a win % limit for Playoffs also?

Say, 60%-70%?

Or whatever you feel is best...

[darKz]

IMO it would be a pity to discard the Best-of-X reporting. People who only play 1 game can still report it as a single game right?

I agree there have to be limits as to how often 2 players can play each other every season, though I don't see the point in "x games per week". Also, how would Best-of-X-series be counted towards "games played"? Is a bo5 set which I won (3-2) 1 game, 3 games or 5 games worth towards the limit?

[Ray]

You decide if you play best of 9 or 1, it doesn't matter, it's just the amount of games that decide the outcome of the match. It's still one result - you win or you lose.

One month, one season. That's my opinion. It doesn't really matter that one month is 28 days, the other is 31. It's a lot nicer and better organized to keep the results like - January 2011 - or something like this. And 30 days should be enough too.

50 games sounds a little too much for me, I'd rather say either 30 or 40, but then include win % into PO requirements.

Looking forward to playing in it.

[MonkeyIsland]

I'd say 2 months for each season. because as start it will have less activity.  Leaving the game limit for 15 for each player.
60% win percentage sounds good.

@darKz, Ray's right. Every bo game will be counted as one. But the point is a 2:0 won in a bo3 game will have less points than two 1:0 games. I guess that's reasonable enough.

[Ray]

I don't think it's necessary to count the points differently. <offtopic>wee that rhymes xD</offtopic>

Based on the same principle as we count BOX games as one match - it is one match.

[SPW]

I agree to MI with doing a season by 2 months. I thought about doing it like other leagues, so like 6 weeks. But I can barely live with 2 months. 1 Month is to short and to many playoff-games will be there. 2 months really sounds good.

And yea, Komo was right with Win-%, I also would agree with 60%. Top 4 like Franz said sounds not bad. It makes the fight harder, thats the good point. But I afraid that some people could play "easier" oppenents more - for Win-% and ofc for reaching Top 4. So maybe Top 8 would be better for the take-off.

15 games limit is okay too, I can live with it. Also I could live with a non-maximum amount per week.

About the System, thats a bit more difficult to agree for me. If its same result by posting a whole series like reporting every single game, okay. But if not, It maybe would be better to keep every reports as a single game.

Last but not least, the minimum amount of games per season to get into PO's: I would say 40 is okay too, at start. Depense a bit about the lenght for each season. If its only 1 month, 30 games. If its 2 months, 40-60 games. I would prefer 50 then.

[TheKomodo]

SPW in order to fix "noob-bashing" couldn't the moderators of TEL come up with some sort of system preventing this?

For example, a panel of judges who know the most about Elite and how good the players are, who can decide if they have been noob-bashing or not?

Or you could make a % limit that you must play a certain amount of different players also to qualify for playoffs?

Or even think of some other way?

[Ray]

SPW, now that you mention players playing "easier" opponents - since this is an Elite league, I don't think that name only indicates the scheme we play, this is an elite league. So, why not adding one extra rule to prevent "noobbashing" (god I hate this word):

For PO participation, it should be a requirement to have played at least 40% of the people in the league. Something like this, we can change that number. I personally think it would be balanced, you have 2 months to play 40 games, say we have 100 people playing. Do the maths.

[TheKomodo]

For PO participation, it should be a requirement to have played at least 40% of the people in the league. Something like this, we can change that number. I personally think it would be balanced, you have 2 months to play 40 games, say we have 100 people playing. Do the maths.

I beat you to the punch Haha

[nino]

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[franz]

what is the point of a win% requirement?  whatever way you get the points to get a high rank, what does win% matter?  If you only play really skilled and high rated players, then your win% might not be amazing, so don't punish these kind of players...  Maybe I just have to hear the other side of the argument to understand, so if anyone wants to explain, i'll hear it.

"x games per week" I also don't see the point of having this restriction.  I agree with darkz

as for any best-of-X, I'd like to hear the reasoning for making them worth different than single games because I'd feel that they should just be treated equally.

1 month seasons I never really liked, always seemed too short, never enough time for lazy people during playoffs.. so 2 months should be good, or something around that if others agree.  if it's 2 months, then I think I can understand going with top8 for playoffs... so I can agree on that.  also if it's 2 months, 40-50 games minimum should be fine.

if people noob-bash, doesn't the amount of points they get just get smaller and smaller so that it's not worth it anymore?  has this ever been a problem?

I dunno about that play 40% of all players requirement.. sounds hard for some people maybe due to timezones or whatever... but I guess I'm not totally against it if everyone wants it.

[TheKomodo]

Well to make Playoffs each month, the best players for THAT month would be decided by their win %

To me it'd mean they have played better and tried harder that season, so it's kinda fair?

Seems fair to me?