Allround League Clanner Playoffs #28

[Aladdin]

 Hey guys, Let's finish these games today.

[Camper]

Nvm, we will be up to play ICB

Not coz you'r gay drama Komo, only coz we could solve an issue.

The only useless person here is you, who has nothing to do all day, and has no ability to understand what an unforeseen event is.

For us, ordinary and normal people, it is not so simple to reconcile our schedules with other REAL LIFE events.

[TheKomodo]

The only useless person here is you, who has nothing to do all day, and has no ability to understand what an unforeseen event is.

You guys are so self-obsessed you don't even know what the issue is.

Look at all the games your clan has played in the past week alone since Kaleu is back:



Yet you can't play FOR A FEW HOURS with us for PO...

Yet you can't find THAT is what makes you all useless at Playoffs. We're not even talking about all the other games played while Kaleu was away.

Most clans haven't let us down once, or twice, but multiple times since TUS started.

The issue is this Camper, you let a man down once, yeah that's no problem, stuff happens right, but you do it multiple times and now you're unreliable.

When you let people down, multiple times AND on top of that show you've been available the entire f**king time - THAT is a joke, and THAT makes you useless.



If it was up to me, your clan would be kicked out of the Playoffs and banned from the Playoffs for the next Season as punishment.

Unfortunately nobody has the courage to actually use discipline around here so I'll just have to make my own choice and forfeit myself to save time.

I'm out, I'm done, these PO don't even matter anymore most of the most important players aren't even available anymore, or weren't when they should have been, the moment has passed.

Also, please note, while I say you are useless at organizing games and being reliable, I still think you're all great people to hang out with and chat with usually, I'm one of the few who can disassociate an individual issue without making it about the persons entire life.

I know you are mostly good people with good hearts, and you're responsible and busy in your family and work life, but that is there and this is here. On this gaming site, you're mostly all unreliable and inefficient and cannot be trusted.

Also - When I say I forfeit, I mean me as a player personally, I do not speak for the whole of ICB. I've said my piece, I'm not needed now I've said my opinion, so I'll shutup and let the leaders represent their clans.



One more thing... Kaleu using Brazil weather as excuses, yet Rockets entire country is at war and him and Shtaket still manage to find the time to communicate properly and play.

I feel horrible, deep down, for ANYONE going through tradgedy, but it's super frustrating to see one example of people still having the common decency to do everything possible to make sure everyone they are associated with is kept up to date with matchups EVEN WHEN THEIR WHOLE COUNTRY IS AT WAR and then the other party using excuses even though you can see they are still clearly active in general...

The worst thing is, STF are in the wrong here, but trying to make ME look like the bad guy lol.

It's like Tyson Fury blaming his recent loss to Usyk in Boxing on the Ukraine war, pathetic. And I am not the only one to think this in fact, I'm only here saying this because I saw someone else saying it and I was like, holy shit you're right!

[Kaleu]

So let's get this straight. I was warned to tell komo to shut up and call him a brat but he's allowed to type f#ck and other stuff censored in every single sentence? The secret is censor words so I can curse as much as I want? 🤡

Anyway, I can play today, If it fails you can take your free win.

[Wolfgang]

lol i can play today xd, i was out 5 days but now im back btw

[TheKomodo]

So let's get this straight. I was warned to tell komo to shut up and call him a brat but he's allowed to type f#ck and other stuff censored in every single sentence? The secret is censor words so I can curse as much as I want? 🤡

Well, I think you(and a few specific others) were told to shut up for the specific things you're saying, as in directly insulting people for no reason. I was also told to stop retaliating to such things. I've also been told to shutup in certain ways.

However, when I write the F word, it gets automatically censored, and I said "F TRL and F RoR", clearly it's a heat of the moment agitation at a situation, and not an actual person. (Oh lol, I know I said you're all useless, but I do apologize, that's based on organizing Playoffs for this game only)

That's one thing I am bad at and need to improve, summarizing, it's actually one of the reasons I write so much! Though sometimes I just go "f it" and write the base heated emotion like that. Regardless at least I always constantly state that my problem is with what the person did, not the person entirely.

There's a massive black and white difference you're clearly unaware of.

You get emotional and attack people's personalities, I sometimes get emotional and attack situations people have found themselves in, or reply and fight fire with fire.

Your attacks are personal, mine aren't, mine are situational while still maintaining all the previous respect I had for a person, you guys act like a person killed your family and get REALLY hostile just because they disagree with you or talk differently. This leads to people basing their decisions with emotion rather than logic, they decide based on how much they like a person as opposed to whether they are actually doing the right thing.

I get angry because we are men who made a deal to meet at a time and a place and engage in a specific activity together, and then it's been delayed and cancelled etc.. When people have valid excuses, it's not a problem, this time you don't even have a valid excuse. Kaleu has a valid reason for not showing up due to mitigating circumstances, however the rest of the clan fkd up.

If this was a real business situation, or different parties trying to begin a venture together, it would be over already, and the party who let the other down, word would soon get around they cannot be trusted and eventually nobody would do business with them anymore. It wasn't so long ago that even in social situations if you did that you would lose a huge amount of respect, but people do it all the time now so it's unfortunately normal for some cultures and people.

That's what I am angry at, not a specific person really, but rather the collective not working together efficiently enough, not being disciplined enough even though they have enough activity, enough skill, enough resources etc...

It's laziness, it's useless and it's depressing for any enthusiastic person to be around.

[Rocket]

Anyway, I can play today, If it fails you can take your free win.

Got it, but... I am sorry Kaleu, but Camper posted in this thread 6 hours ago:

Hey Guys!

Sorry to say, but we won't be able to play it today, AGAIN!
Its totally my fault, so if you want say another date or whatever.
When we set up, Alladin and I were on vocation, now its over.

That's not how arrangements are done. I think there's another way to solve this. Soon we find it

[Kaleu]

ae we are waiting, what happened? I thought you would show up, Camper "cancelled" but reverted in few hours, way much earlier than when we planned to play, did you scheduled something else or was this something komo provoked? genuine question btw.

[TheKomodo]

ae we are waiting, what happened? I thought you would show up, Camper "cancelled" but reverted in few hours, way much earlier than when we planned to play, did you scheduled something else or was this something komo provoked? genuine question btw.

Why would you think we would show up after you guys said it was cancelled?

We all have Discord, it's early in the day, everyone has been informed it's cancelled, so they all go off and make new plans... Then your team comes back and sort of collectively say "Oops, nvm we can play ahahahaha" and suddenly you think that we would all see that, cancel our new plans to go back to the old plan???

But most importantly, NOBODY from ICB confirmed that it was back on again today lol.

What??? 

[Rocket]

ae we are waiting, what happened? I thought you would show up, Camper "cancelled" but reverted in few hours, way much earlier than when we planned to play, did you scheduled something else or was this something komo provoked? genuine question btw.

3 things:
1) I now don't have a stable internet to play as we're out of electricity here on a daily basis and it's unstably scheduled by national energy supplies. I'm on 4G (LTE) now ae;
2) I can't afford changing plans in my life as I'm in the army. I'm not flexible;
3) I'm totally discouraged to play this one to be absolutely honest. Too many things have gone wrong. And this mood is shared by my clanmates as well

[Kaleu]

ae we are waiting, what happened? I thought you would show up, Camper "cancelled" but reverted in few hours, way much earlier than when we planned to play, did you scheduled something else or was this something komo provoked? genuine question btw.

3 things:
1) I now don't have a stable internet to play as we're out of electricity here on a daily basis and it's unstably scheduled by national energy supplies. I'm on 4G (LTE) now ae;
2) I can't afford changing plans in my life as I'm in the army. I'm not flexible;
3) I'm totally discouraged to play this one to be absolutely honest. Too many things have gone wrong. And this mood is shared by my clanmates as well

Thanks. We STF share the same feeling as topic 3). We are all humans. worms is meant to be fun in tough times, considering we are a small community, it's sad to be here daily reading hostility and being pressured for things out of our control. Only you can understand what you going through, same here in South Brazil.

[TheKomodo]

It's a shame because, at least presently speaking, all the players involved in this specific situation alone, we're all men.

Men are competitive! That's why we're here, and yes we DO want our best players versus their best players, so we were happy to wait a little while for Kaleu because he's a top player and deserves that respect in my opinion, what's the point in PO if we cannot play the best players during the same season we were all active.

However, also being men we should be prepared to accept there are times where we just cannot get the job done and we pass the responsibility on to our partners and/or forfeit ASAP out of respect to every party involved so the rest of the event can continue smoothly and swiftly.

I'm sorry but I feel like I'm surrounded by children who cannot prioritize and organize their spare time efficiently. Not men who take responsibility and accountability for their shortcomings.

As a man it's ok to fall, it's ok lose, and it's absolutely ok to quit in the context of it's a temporary retreat, we'll be back next time even stronger! Then if there's ever a time where we cannot return and play at all, then we hope the younger generations will continue our legacy and keep the game alive.

This though... Nah, this is a joke, there's no discipline, no accountability, no enthusiasm.

I don't care if this sounds egotistical, when you're competing at the highest level of anything in the world, you expect the highest level of effort and professionalism.

We, as the clans competing literally have THE BEST PLAYERS IN THE WORLD that are currently active. We are the very best this entire game has to offer on the planet right now, and this is the best we can do? This is how you treat the situation?

Nah... We're worth more than that. Our time is worth more than that, we want to play the best there is and we want to play on good terms, where everyone is inspired, confident, battle hardened and ready.

[Wolfgang]

cmon guys, this its just a game, now i just play this for having fun on tus and i respect you all!
We are all humans, and as a human i have commitment with many things ( work, studies, football and yeah ''daily life'' but my daily life its not = just sitting playing worms, now im having a lot of fun playing this game after 8 years away, but most of times i play this to replace the time i invest in social media (instagram, tiktok, etc xD) and actually works

just lets play this (when someone of us or icb can) and hf

[Kaleu]

That would be valid if we were being paid for this or do it for a living. We are just a bunch of old men trying to have fun. I have a different perspective when you say we are not "men" enough but kids for not taking this serious, I mean, that's exactly what men would do, prioritize real life things and let worms in second plan. We don't have 24hrs free to dedicate to worms like you man, that's why it makes you so frustrated, you can live up to worms but some of us can't. I casually come here and post then in the next few hours I try to not forget but I fail miserably, I could only remember the PO today because I was checking discord.
As I said earlier, I don't earn money with this game, Worms for me is a joke, an entertaiment that I don't give a damn about or worry about being good at nowadays, and that's what games are for, a distraction for casual players.

You place unrealistic expectations on the competitiveness of this game. It has no audience here, it has no impact on the competitive scene outside our own bubble, and this exaggeration only hinders the few who still care to play something competitive here. It's the first time I've been in a situation like this for delaying matches, and I couldn't have expected less from you.

We STF decided to forfeit the games.

[TheKomodo]

That would be valid if we were being paid for this or do it for a living. We are just a bunch of old men trying to have fun.

Perspective.

For starters, you ARE being paid to do this. You are being paid because you receive something in return for your effort and time. Your payment is glory and digital statistics/medals and the only reason it's actually worth anything is because WE ALL AGREE it's worth anything?

Does that sound insane?

Does it remind of you money at all? Money is just paper that we all agree that it's worth something and we decide what it's worth collectively.

Kaleu, every single human being alive is just a person trying to have fun at life.

So it's entirely valid, and if you don't understand that or even if you DO and just don't agree, then why are you even here?

If earning that glory isn't important enough for you, then quite frankly you're not important enough or even good enough to play against us.

If you believe you are, then you will also believe that it's important to put the effort in, even if it's challenging, even if you have to sacrifice something else in your life.

The point is, this is the top level of this game competitively, THAT ALONE deserves the effort and discipline.

You shouldn't be here if that isn't you, go back to playing casually.