New Analog Keyboards for Roping

[Kaleu]

I messed all quotes and texts, just edited it now. This is my last post here regarding this subject. You can keep posting about the keyboards.

[TheKomodo]

The problem isn't whether you consider something to be cheating or not.
What matters is whether there's a way to detect it and stop people from using it, because there's no way to rely on common sense for these things.
Banning something that can't be detected only encourages people to seek it out.

Wasn't it literally detected though by Deadcode?

And I also think that people are confusing the fact that what was actually banned was the AUTOHOTKEY in general, because a macro that I was using in the match against Random00. Which pressed the T key automatically. Correlating both ocurrences.
About the script for the taps, it didn't really have a conclusion apart from banning autohotkey scripts, but again, there's no way to detect it, so it was allowed again!

Hah, I've been using the wooting to spam T with every spacebar press, and it's not even a macro or a script, it's the dynamic keystroke, it's a kind of novelty lol, it gets boring fast though.

I was always told that the autohotkey script was not only banned, but detectable, and quite easily, I'll have to ask Deadcode on this.

[flashR]

I will admit it's a cheat when the majority of Ukrainians admit Russia is right.

Many Ukrainians have already admitted that. And many others - long before the conflict.
So you may start your confession, cheater.
WTF is going on in the heads of people, who calls behavior programmed by developers a "hardware limitation", thereby justifying cheating?

[Kaleu]

Whatever you say Russian. I don't even know who you are as a player, which is the mininum for me to consider and care. Didnt you start to play like 3 months ago?

@TheKomodo I'm not talking about this subject anymore, if you wanna we can discuss in private. I will answer all your doubts.

[blitzed]

Trust nobody....

[Sensei]

Well, it's only an advantage for top tier players who are good enough, you give a script to a noob or even average player and it's not going to help them beat other top players because they still don't have enough experience moving around fast and consistent anyway.

Not true. It helps out everyone. Not-knowingly, I used this ahk script for couple of months. Long story short - when I disabled it, needed to learn roping all over again.

Till this day, never stopped wanting to punch Booter'sK in the face for sending me that.

[TheKomodo]

Well, it's only an advantage for top tier players who are good enough, you give a script to a noob or even average player and it's not going to help them beat other top players because they still don't have enough experience moving around fast and consistent anyway.

Not true. It helps out everyone. Not-knowingly, I used this ahk script for couple of months. Long story short - when I disabled it, needed to learn roping all over again.

Till this day, never stopped wanting to punch Booter'sK in the face for sending me that.

Sounds to me like it wasn't an advantage whatsoever since in the end you had to learn how to rope for real.

I still stand by my words, it's not going to help you beat top players unless you're a top player yourself. Of course it can help a noob tap faster but that means diddly squat if we're talking being competitive in an official league or other competitive event.

I've checked out various forms of cheating/cheesing in the past and honestly the only use I've found for most of them is for showing off in Warmers.

Like, Corujao joined my host last week, it was a funner Big RR, with rubberworm and batty rope on...  He started spamming some script for taps, now I don't mind people doing this in funners even though I think it looks stupid... I did not ask him not to do it however tried to give him some advice that he's better off learning how to rope for real because it's obvious he's scripting when he can barely control it and keeps falling even with simple moves. He would appreciate the game more if he roped genuinely.

Anyway instead of listening to me, he started to insult my mother and tell me I cheat at BnG.

[Rocket]

kinda sad thing this thread is
the community doesn't experience much of a fresh blood players around, but we still go back into retrospective discussing scripts over and over again among the same old players
*sigh*
I'd say we already know who's who on rope. I'll be there waiting for some insane breakthrough discovery in kbs or smb among us getting to Masta's level with or without those kbs. till then boys   

[TheKomodo]

Yeah, no keyboard that exists is going to get anyone to Mastas level of consistency, that takes years of practise and Masta practised more than pretty most people combined in the past 5-10 years. At least with Challenges.

[Impossible]

Your message demonstrates a skewed and simplistic view of the situation, and I disagree with it on several levels. First, labeling the script a "cheat" without understanding its context or purpose is disingenuous, to say the least. Many tools, including scripts like the one mentioned, were created to improve gameplay or meet specific needs within the limitations of the game, and this does not automatically equate to unethical behavior.

Secondly, it's unfair and condescending to suggest that someone should "admit" to something just because you've decided to project your own experiences and regrets onto the situation. The fact that you have used macros or practiced behavior that you consider bad does not give you the moral authority to judge others. Each person has their own path and reasons, and not everything is comparable.

Thirdly, the insinuation that the script in question represented "a very serious advantage" disregards important nuances, such as the player's general skill level or the consensus of the community at the time.

i'm not going to argue with this, kaleu, but answer me honestly: which AI model did you use to generate this?

[Impossible]

always told that the autohotkey script was not only banned, but detectable, and quite easily, I'll have to ask Deadcode on this.

ahk macros are easily detectable, yes, unless you use a random function to determine timings. otherwise the ahk script will have the same timing every single time, like: pressing space -> sleep for 1 frame -> another input of "T" in the next frame.

dynamic keystroke on analog keyboard, on the other hand, will have different timings every time. it'll look natural and you can't detect it.

the ahk script kaleu used was quite elaborate though, i don't remember the exact implementation, but i think it was some sort of SOCD cleaner, but for the spacebar key? if it cleaned the input of the previous key right in the frame prior to the next input, it'd be easily detectable too

no keyboard that exists is going to get anyone to Mastas level of consistency, that takes years of practise and Masta practised more than pretty most people combined in the past 5-10 years. At least with Challenges.

that's kinda cool to hear. so masta is the new boss of rope racing?

till stand by my words, it's not going to help you beat top players

i'd argue that it's the other way around. macro gives you faster learning curve. with it, you'll get to the "not bad" level of roping faster. but at the highest level macro will do you the opposite, fixed timing will start to limit you, since players of top caliber can do the same thing as you can [by cheating], yet they're doing the same thing manually, and thus with much more precise control. i think you know what i mean

[TheKomodo]

that's kinda cool to hear. so masta is the new boss of rope racing?

He's been the boss of rope racing for like the past 10 years since everyone started to disappear. I don't see anyone else who played as much as he did since then at that level.

i'd argue that it's the other way around. macro gives you faster learning curve. with it, you'll get to the "not bad" level of roping faster. but at the highest level macro will do you the opposite, fixed timing will start to limit you, since players of top caliber can do the same thing as you can [by cheating], yet they're doing the same thing manually, and thus with much more precise control. i think you know what i mean

I know what you mean but still strongly believe having a button that improves/speeds up and stabalizes scrolling, shadows, climbing will be more beneficial for those who already are masters of roping.

Using macros is considered cheating, by all leagues that has ever existed in mainstream leagues for WA. It's using this information that I claim it's non-beneficial to learn this way because if you ever plan on competing against the best players in the world you will have to really learn how to rope and like Sensei said, RE-learn how to rope.

[flashR]

Whatever you say Russian. I don't even know who you are as a player, which is the mininum for me to consider and care. Didnt you start to play like 3 months ago?

I've just downloaded the game yesterday, Brazilian.