WA Cheating, Implication, and Legacy

[Kradie]

I don't think this thread need to be closed after Joe's post. Anyone has right to have an opinion. What I think could be better is that both Sensei and Komodo's post were deleted so that this topic could be more focused. 

[TheKomodo]

All I've said is that j0e explained the situation very well and nothing more needs to be added. Imo (if I have the right to have an opinion, Komo!?), this thread should've been locked after j0e's post. But sure, go on

Exactly, you're sitting there making a statement that everything that could possibly be said has already been said, and nobody else that exists on this planet could possibly have anything useful to provide to the conversation, which is tyranical and delusional.

Why should the thread be locked? This is a healthy discussion about cheating and like I said there are others who may come along and wish to add to this and educate us all further.

I'm actually surprised you of all people are even suggesting to lock a thread like this considering how you reacted after Shtaket cheated against you in the Big RR Tournament and the fuss you made about it. I would have thought you'd want to do absolutely anything and everything possible prevent it from happening again.

Not to mention that everything joe said isn't even correct, regarding the wooting comment specifically:

"Wooting/fancy keyboards that have an intermediate stop on the spacebar, so a half-actuation presses space once, and a full actuation presses twice, are a grey area."

I have 2 wooting keyboards, the 60HE and the 80HE, I've even done lengthy reviews about both showcasing all their features and abilities.

You can't have it working in that way, you can have 2 separate buttons working that way, but not space twice in a row because he completely missed the part where the spacebar must be released before pressing it again.

So not only is your comment tyranical but you're actively supporting misinformation.

And don't take this personal Sensei, all I care about is the truth because I take cheating VERY seriously.

[Sensei]

Fair enough. If what j0e said is wrong, I stand corrected for supporting it.
Still think he made most realistic and logical post on this subject.

By saying to lock a thread was more to point that further discussion is becoming obsolete. After all, in the end it will all depend on MonkeyIsland's decision on who to punish and for what. Also, nothing will even be done without DC's and CS's good will to detect cheaters and analyze their replays.


Don't know if TUS have a list of forbidden stuff to use in league games, but if it's not there yet, maybe MI should place it on some visible spot on site.

[TheKomodo]

That's cool Sensei, I appreciate you owning up to that and hope there's no hard feelings, we're on the same side and I've always got your back if anyone treats you unfairly or tries to cheat against you. You know what lengths I'll go to help anyone against cheaters.

And there you go, your last sentence is actually a great idea! We should add a section to TUS with a list of forbidden programs, tools, software, etc.

If we locked the thread when you said, that idea wouldn't have be shared!

[Kradie]

I'm very proud of you two, Sensei and Komodo. Despite your Indifference and squabbles now and then, you can find a common ground in the end.

In this topic ''Ideas for version 3.9 and/or 4.0 update/patch.'' I have suggested some counter measures against cheating, such as:

Disable wormkit module in host room.
Display what wormkit module user have loaded when they join a host lobby.
Competitive Mode Setting - Make all modified files in WA unusable.

But the feasibility to Implement it is questionable for someone like me without programming skills.

https://www.tus-wa.com/?msg=300399

[sock]

In this topic ''Ideas for version 3.9 and/or 4.0 update/patch.'' I have suggested some counter measures against cheating, such as:

Disable wormkit module in host room.
Display what wormkit module user have loaded when they join a host lobby.

https://www.tus-wa.com/?msg=300399

What about Wormnat2 and Superfrontend? How will these work if you disable wormkit module?

[Kradie]

In this topic ''Ideas for version 3.9 and/or 4.0 update/patch.'' I have suggested some counter measures against cheating, such as:

Disable wormkit module in host room.
Display what wormkit module user have loaded when they join a host lobby.

https://www.tus-wa.com/?msg=300399

What about Wormnat2 and Superfrontend? How will these work if you disable wormkit module?

They would be Implemented to WA by then..

[melbo]

Cheating is impraticable,but never cheating is my favourite opinion. I like some particularly shoots,unless playing a particolar game at bng. Cheat is only history,never the practice of worms armageddon for me. In this case, I voted no,again.

[Kradie]

Perhaps you have your issues with Komodo, Angus. But calling him out in such hostile way may not prove fruitful, particularly in your quest to find out whether or not that Komodo uses cheats.. Also you posted 3 posts after your original post, you should maybe fix that. 

14000 posts is a lot and if we are to assume this current trajectory, Komodo would likely hit 30000 posts close to 2040. A lot of his posts are insightful for readers. If they contain a lot of text, you can use AI to summarize it in your own language.

[MonkeyIsland]

@angus This kind of hostile talking is long expired here. Contribute to the thread subject maybe?

[TheKomodo]

Kradie filled me in on what angus said so I'll just leave this here.

I showed Deadcode exactly how I play BnG and he wrote this in the Discord channel:



The funny thing is, counting sprites is the only thing I've never bothered to do in BnG because my methods were always more accurate and useful anyway. But I do pay attention to the sprite and how the worm looks.

I measure my BnG based on full screen lengths because I play with 1152x864 resolution and always try to start off with a 3s grenade aimed at a full length screen because the worm and cursor has a distinct(to me) visual look so it's easy to tell if it's right. To get to that position I always move my cursor right to where it should go and have a really good eye for telling if that's correct.

Every shot I do, is based on that full screen distance, if the worm is closer or further than a full screen the aim is a little bit less or little bit more. I've put about 15k+ hours into BnG alone and because this game is based on incremental movements that all "slot" into place like a cogwheel it's pretty easy to tell your aim instinctually. If I miss, then it's usually only off by 1 or 2 notches at the most. So even if you aren't a counter in BnG like barman, Mablak, anubis, stylez, Darkz etc, it's not rocket science to realize your aim is off by the smallest amount you can move the crosshair.

Notch - The smallest movement possible.
Notching - Moving the cursor notch by notch.
Counting - Knowing that it takes X amount of notches to hit a worm based on the difference in distance between you and that worm and then "notching" to that position. THIS is the style that most players hate and are against.

Everybody notches and everybody is a notcher, but there are very few players who are counters.

But when someone says "They are a notcher!" they usually mean they are a counter. Counters are the players people usually hate playing against not people who naturally move in notches because it's impossible not to that's just how the game works.

The most important thing is knowing what type of shot to use, and being able to re-adjust if you miss.

The most controversial thing I ever did in BnG was apparently putting my thumb on the screen to re-aim.

I can say with pride that I've never cheated in BnG and grateful enough that a developer was there to defend me.

@angus It's nice to see your true colours though, one less person to give a fk about.

[sock]

one less person to give a fk about.

Classy

[TheKomodo]

one less person to give a fk about.

Classy

[sock]

Shocking

[TheKomodo]