[icb`Rocket-a2a] I'm not going to discuss over a shot anyway


Ok.

Thanks Komo.
Actually, the source of my statement could be found at @13:12 of this game.

To the history: many years ago (like in 2009) I was watching a game between two well-known wormers, one of them was Chicken23 maybe. At some point of the game, 4 sec nades got used. And the immediate reaction was "4 sec nades are lame. You better use 5 sec lg or 3 sec nades". As a newbie, I took up this idea.
After playing BnG for years with different wormers, I only got more solid in this "4 sec is cheap" concept. If you watch through my BnG replays,  there's no trace of such shots. Ok, maybe once in every 5 games, when my opponent is hiding deep.

That's why I kinda avoid 4 sec shots. But in this particular case a normal 5 sec lg was used. It was a roller, absolutely not a sitter. It didn't need all the world's skills to execute, although I don't believe a half of today's active players could land the same one from the 1st try playing league against a good player. It takes patience, nerve and understanding of the potential danger that if you DON'T land this shot NOW, you'll be shot next. Never thought I would explain myself after a normal shot was made, damn. But here I am.

All I'm asking for is to be friendly and nice. Maybe it's my own attitude and I should change it, but I'd never tell a roper "your whole rope is a cheat cos you use scripts/2 remapped spaces", as well as I'd never mention a cheap shot even if my opponent would use one on me and repeated it for 5 times in a row without reaiming. I've won and lost against both of those types. But never made them uncomfortable with their play

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Dont care


Bng is a shitty league choice anyway for 1v1

BnG does kind of need variety to be exciting to anyone, and that's part of the problem whether people realize it or not.

More proof that Grenade Wars is superior to BnG

Love both Rocket and Sensei, but I have to agree with Rocket on this one. The objective in a league game is to win, so there is nothing wrong with choosing the most convenient option, or anything else that might be considered lame. So:

• Using easier shots in BnG
• Telecow in Hyst
• Using multiple spacebars for roping
• Memorizing/writing down opponent's worms order in Normal/Abnormal
• Using mostly zooks in Boom Race
• Using rope to aim in Mine Madness
• etc.

are all A-OK.

People may think that some "lame" strategies are ruining a scheme, but those are the inherent flaws of the scheme, not the player's.

I've never seen anyone calling anything lame in Darts, because it's such a perfect scheme (although some people called the entire scheme lame )

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Going to go off track here but it reminds me of stuck up artists acting like saints about AI "stealing" their work and that it "takes no skill to type a few words and then the AI makes it for you".

Which is a lot of crap. If it takes "no skill or effort", try and get a newborn baby to do it.

I could go on and on about how stupid these artists are, for ignoring the fact that every single one of us are every day thieves, we steal every day without giving credit, artists "steal" techniques from people who aren't even alive anymore so it's impossible to "credit" them anyway! They constantly forget the thousands of years, and billions of humans that existed before them, that f@#!ing made everything they do NOW possible!

And then they act like they are original, or clever, or better than others when they are just another human being a normal human doing absolutely nothing special!

Oh wow, you can draw, so can everyone else if they have full control of their bodies and practised for 10000 hours!

Honestly, get a newborn baby, not even 1 day old, put it in front of your computer, load up a BnG! Hell, if the baby can even place the worm properly I'll give you £100.

The point is, while it's not very impressive, it still takes YEARS of learning basic fundamental stuff in life to even learn basic physics like gravity, power, timing, speed etc.

People never acknowledge this, it's sad.

Off topic as well, but I completely agree with you on your AI vs artists take. People use available knowledge to improve their craft, noone bats an eye. AI uses available knowledge to improve its craft, and everyone loses their mind. And some people actually think that AI is just taking images from its database and stitching them together, it's baffling.

It made creativity more accessible to creative people. They think that people who use AI lack creativity because they don't draw the pictures themselves. So what actors/actresses do is art but what directors do is not? Because for me, using AI is like being a director. Instead of being an illustrator, you sit in the director's seat and shape the whole process with your creative vision.

It also opened a lot of new doors for shitposting.

The objective in a league game is to win, so there is nothing wrong with choosing the most convenient option, or anything else that might be considered lame. So:

• Using easier shots in BnG
• Telecow in Hyst
• Using multiple spacebars for roping
• Memorizing/writing down opponent's worms order in Normal/Abnormal
• Using mostly zooks in Boom Race
• Using rope to aim in Mine Madness
• etc.

are all A-OK.

People may think that some "lame" strategies are ruining a scheme, but those are the inherent flaws of the scheme, not the player's.

I agree 100% with this. If people think these things are not interesting for the gameplay, they must add rules to a scheme, or create a different scheme to prevent this, using modules (like PX) or not.

TL;DR - In this specific match, Sensei was lamer.

Now, neither of them are actually lame, or noobs obviously, but gun to my head, 100/100 times I'm picking Sensei as the noobier one.

Now, the only reason I went to such effort here to show this stuff, is due to the specific quote from Sensei:

"those kind of players".

So rude and disrespectful...

Anyway:

What's up with all of you? It's just my personal opinion, nothing more. I am allowed to say that it sucks when, after few times being hit, player of Rocket's caliber goes down the newbie path and starts to lg 5sec nade on a worm so close from his.

Newbie path?

Yeah people having opinions is fine, but you're a hypocrite lol, we ALL do things in Leagues which are "easy" to do.

I mean, look at you and walrus and others who do those incredibly high wind easy zooks in Aerial from Jetpack, imo that's a noob move, but whatever, it's a good useful move if you aren't good enough at actual BnG.

I know he can do it and it's within the TUS rules. I'm also aware I can comment on it and say what I think of those kind of players. Who cares anyway, he won, I lost.. Let's move on.

"those kind of players"?

Dude, do you have any idea how horrible that sounds? You're making it out like Rocket is a cheap easy player, he's one of the best players in the game right now, better than you with more variety and skill than you, in my opinion.

Now, yeah, you might think I'm a jerk for saying this to you, but since YOU started this, I'll give MY opinion.

Ok Sensei, let's take a look at who is the noobier out of you 2 shall we? (Note, not calling you a noob, just, comparing who is "less fancy" since that matters to you).

I watched the entire match and made a record of what happened.

Rockets shots:

His 1st shot was a 3s nade, it missed.
His 2nd shot was a 3s nade, it was spot on.
His 3rd shot was a counter teleport(very smart).
His 4th shot was a LG 1 bar wind hookshot, it missed.
His 5th shot was a 5s LG, it missed.
His 5th shot was a 5s LG, it missed.
His 7th shot was a teleport.
His 8th shot was a 3s nade, it missed.
His 9th shot was a zook, it missed.
His 10th shot was a zook, it missed.
His 11th shot was a 5s LG, it missed.
His 12th shot was a LG 1 bar wind shot which opened a bit.
His 13th shot was a 4s LG, it missed.
His 14th shot was a no wind LG zook, which he opened and hit a bit.
His 15th shot was a teleport.
His 16th shot was a 3s which hit.
His 17th shot was a 5s LG roller which missed.
His 18th shot was a 1 bar LG hookshot, which hit, very nice shot!
His 19th shot was a 5s LG roller which hit.
His 20th shot was a teleport.
His 21st shot was a teleport.
His 22nd shot was a 3s nade, it missed.
His 23rd shot was a 3s nade, it hit the girder slightly but didn't open.
His 24th shot was a 4s LG which opened nice.
His 25th shot was a 5s LG nade which hit spot on.
His 26th shot was a teleport.
His 27th shot was a 3s nade which hit pretty good.
His 28th shot was a zook, it missed.
His 29th shot was a zook, it missed.
His 30th shot was a zook, which opened nicely.
His 31st shot was a 3s nade, which opened even more.
His 32nd shot was a zook that hit perfectly.
His 33rd shot was a 5s LG nade that won the match.

Sensei's shots:

His 1st shot was a zook which opened a little.
His 2nd shot was a teleport.
His 3rd shot was a 5s LG which opened very slightly.
His 4th shot was a 5s LG which opened pretty good.
His 5th shot was a 5s LG which missed.
His 6th shot was a 5s LG which hit and pushed a little.
His 7th shot was a zook which missed.
His 8th shot was a 5s LG which missed.
His 9th shot was a LG 2 bar zook which missed.
His 10th shot was a 3s which missed.
His 11th shot was a 3s which missed.
His 12th shot was a 4s LG which missed.
His 13th shot was a 4s LG which missed.
His 14th shot was a 3s which hit very nice and pushed.
His 15th shot was a LG zook 2 bar wind, very nice open!
His 16th shot was a teleport.
His 17th shot was a 3s which hit, vns.
His 18th shot was a teleport.
His 19th shot was a girder.
His 20th shot was a teleport.
His 21st shot was a 5s LG which missed.
His 22nd shot was a 5s LG which missed.
His 23rd shot was a zook, which missed.
His 24th shot was a 5s LG, which missed.
His 25th shot was a 3s, which missed.
His 26th shot was a 3s, which missed.
His 27th shot was a teleport.
His 28th shot was a nice zook which hit and opened.
His 29th shot was a 5s + roller, which missed.
His 30th shot was a zook, which missed.
His 31st shot was a 5s LG, which missed.
His 32nd shot was a 3s nade, which missed.

Rocket threw:

5x 5s LG nades, 3 missed, 2 hit, the last winning the match.
8x 3s nades, 4 missed, 3 hit, 1 opened very good.
6x normal zooks, 4 missed, 1 nice open, and 1 very nice hit.
4x LG zooks, 1 missed, 3 of them hit well.
6x teleport.
2x 5s LG bouncebacks that kind of rolled VERY slightly, 1 missed, 1 hit very nice.
2x 4s LG nades, 1 missed, 1 opened nice.


Sensei threw:

9x 5s LG, 6 of which missed, 2 which opened, and 1 which hit and pushed a bit.
7x 3s nade, 5 of which missed, the other 2 were beauties! Nice there!
5x normal zooks, 3 of which missed, 1 opened a little, the other hit and opened well.
2x LG zooks, 1 of which missed the other was a beautiful open!
5x teleport.
1x girder.
1x 5s+ roller, which missed.
2x 4s LG nades, both of which missed.

Rocket got 11 damage hits and 5 digs/opens.
His damage hits were across 5 different types of shots, more if you include the difference in zook shots.
His digs/opens were across 3 different types of shots.

Sensei got 4 hits and 5 digs/opens.
His damage hits were across 2 different types of shots.
His digs/opens were across 3 different types of shots.

As you can see, Rocket has more variety when shooting.

But here's the funny thing... You throw a 5x max bounce roller and complain about his 5s LG which was BARELY roller and more of a perfectly aimed/timed LG shot!?

I didn't watch the whole match at first, sort of skipped through it so I actually thought he threw a 4s roller which isn't even a bad thing lol.

But the fact it was a 5s LG bounceback shot! Which is a much more challenging shot to pull off than most of your shots lol, including your 5x+ roller lol.

Cmon man, you're both good players but if anyone is lame here in this specific game Sensei, it's you...

Sensei is criticising Rocket for a 5s roller shot.

I've got a theory here, this is PURE SPECULATION AND OPINION!

You can look at the data and make your own minds up lol.

This is the conversation chunk between these 2 after Rocket threw a 5s LG bounceback.

[Sensei`hcp] ah cmon dude.. 5s here
[Sensei`hcp] oh well... all good.
[Sensei`hcp] you're hungry for wins.. good, goodf.
[icb`Rocket-a2a] I'm just playing to reast from work a bit xd
[icb`Rocket-a2a] but yeah I like winning ofc
[icb`Rocket-a2a] losing is ok too
[Sensei`hcp]
[Sensei`hcp] been playing bng whole day with various players.. and that was lamest shot i've seen today.
[Sensei`hcp] is win really worth it?
[icb`Rocket-a2a] which shot?
[Sensei`hcp] that 5s horizontal lg... way too easy.
[Sensei`hcp] nice dig
[icb`Rocket-a2a] ah that one
[icb`Rocket-a2a] I've got my own idea of lame shots
[icb`Rocket-a2a] and that one isn't among them
[icb`Rocket-a2a] maybe with one leg
[Sensei`hcp] not lame? we were 100 pixels apart haha
[Sensei`hcp] but ok.

Now, I'm not exactly sure what Sensei means by "using 5s so close",  is he saying it's lame to use a 5s LG shot from so close? Or that it's lame to throw a roller type shot, so close?

Now, keep in mind, Sensei is the one who chose to hide so close.

Now, playing BnG so close to each other isn't very common, so throwing shots that close is generally more challenging since you get less practise. Since less practise means less muscle & visual memory when aiming and timing the power.

Anyway, he doesn't exactly specify WHY the shot is lame, he just says it's the lamest shot he's seen today.

Now, I'm SO GLAD he said "today" specifically, because let's go and take a look at what happened less than 4 hours before "the lamest shot i've seen today" happened!

https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/game-240332/

In this game, Sensei's 2nd shot, and 3rd shot.

Oh wow, what's that? 2 rollers in a row? Such a horizontal aim from being so close???

Surely not? Surely Sensei wouldn't do such a thing, and then say it's the lamest thing he's seen today less than 4 hours later would he?

"way too easy"

What do you think is more challenging? A 3s roller, or a 5s LG roller?

In my opinion, they are both as challenging as each other, they are pretty much the same shot, one just goes quicker than the other.

But yeah, we all know what Sensei thinks about "those kind of players".

 

Edit:

One more thing!

Maybe subconsiously Rocket seen Sensei throw these shots, and because Rocket doesn't go around calling players lame, he thought it's ok to use the same kind of shots?

Just a thought...

Oh and Sensei, this took me less than an hour, and it was the 2nd replay I checked... I didn't even have to go back further than 1 day LOL!

Imagine what I could find, if I checked your game history for the last year?