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Game #47802, Reported by Random00, Viewed 5372 Time(s)

Classic #17
Clanners
December 11, 2010, 01:32 AM
Winner
Fairly Competent 1702 in BnG before the game. Gained 49|49 points
Loser
cFc
Veteran 1922 in BnG before the game. Lost 49|49 points
  

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1 - 0
14 - 4
3 - 1
52 - 34
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Game Chat(s)
[CF-Random00`ea] hf
[CF-Ray] HF
[cfc-Maciej] he told me he is ill
[CF-SPW`ea] hf
[CF-Ray] Komo?
[CF-SPW`ea] who is ill?
[`cC`Albo] lalo? xD si vo eri malo po xD
[cfc-Maciej] i think he just got bad feeling after alcohol
[`cC`Albo] pal bngay xD
[cfc-lalo] a veces juego bien
[CF-Ray] that's what I wanted to say, he feels bad by last night's BnG tourney-vodka
[`cC`Albo] aaa.. :D tu racha ganadora?xD
[CF-Ray] he has hangover
[CF-Random00`ea] so much whispering in a bng? :o
[cfc-Maciej] we are talking how we spent day ;D
[cfc-Maciej] nice ;d
[CF-Random00`ea] gj
[CF-Ray] **Whisper**: you shoot him
[cfc-lalo] thx
[CF-Ray] **Whisper**: no, you shoot him
[cfc-Maciej] hahahah xd
[cfc-lalo] I'm a talkative clanmate
[cfc-Maciej] miss
[cfc-Maciej] ah nt
[cfc-Maciej] ;o
[CF-Ray] job's done I guess
[`cC`Albo] f1
[cfc-lalo] geez
[cfc-lalo] oh didnt see the wind
[cfc-lalo] my bad
[cfc-Maciej] geez
[cfc-lalo] adsf
[cfc-Maciej] wind
[cfc-lalo] man I know xD
[CF-Random00`ea] gj
[cfc-Maciej] at last
[`cC`Albo] xuxa
[cfc-lalo] nice
[cfc-Maciej] bl again
[CF-Random00`ea] n
[cfc-Maciej] here we go baby
[cfc-lalo] niiice
[cfc-dainub] shot!
[cfc-Maciej] thx
[`cC`Albo] gj
[cfc-Maciej] just lucky xd
[cfc-Maciej] to be honest
[CF-Random00`ea] pls no rolling nades
[cfc-Maciej] lol
[cfc-Maciej] we are trying in hole
[cfc-lalo] I don't want to roll nades I'd 4 sec in that case
[cfc-Maciej] n1!
[cfc-lalo] t
[cfc-Maciej] gj
[cfc-lalo] nt
[`cC`Albo] f1?
[CF-Random00`ea] job
[CF-SPW`ea] t xd
[cfc-Maciej] random, you now it's kind of darkhide?
[cfc-lalo] ok guys how much time are you going to be in those hides?
[cfc-lalo] lol
[cfc-lalo] I'm kinda tired of those hides and I'm thinking to shot some cheap nades
[CF-Random00`ea] says the one that took which hide at the start=
[cfc-lalo] meh
[CF-Random00`ea] sitter
[CF-Random00`ea] do same damage to your own worm.
[cfc-lalo] xD
[CF-Random00`ea] Im not kidding.
[cfc-lalo] sure, I'm 138 now
[CF-Random00`ea] plus skip.
[cfc-lalo] are you serious? I won't skip for a 1 hp sitter...
[CF-Random00`ea] skip.
[CF-Random00`ea] goddamn
[cfc-lalo] pff that's lame
[CF-Random00`ea] tx
[cfc-Maciej] rando you have broken rule too
[cfc-Maciej] you have to go away
[CF-Random00`ea] whateber
[cfc-Maciej] cow
[CF-Random00`ea] where is this cow?
[CF-Random00`ea] haha
[CF-Random00`ea] this is just lame
[CF-Random00`ea] not cow
[cfc-Maciej] you are closer than half of the screen
[cfc-lalo] .......
[CF-Random00`ea] I didnt start rolling a nade
[cfc-lalo] lol this game turned to lame game
[CF-SPW`ea] tus bng is war
[cfc-lalo] rolling nade? was just 1 that dealt 1 hp come on
[CF-Random00`ea] that opened my whole hide
[cfc-Maciej] just check your hide, you got pwned by us and got darkhides
[cfc-lalo] and how the hell do you want a perfect nade in such a hide
[CF-Random00`ea] you can decide how it will go on
[CF-Random00`ea] im switzching back to normal mode now
[cfc-lalo] look at your hides random lol
[cfc-lalo] we need a magic bullet for hitting you
[CF-Random00`ea] lalo, your hide at start was like this, wasnt it?
[cfc-lalo] you could hit my worm easily
[cfc-lalo] you both just didn't try
[CF-Random00`ea] I need to move now anyway.
[CF-Random00`ea] If I have no wind
[cfc-Maciej] omg
[cfc-Maciej] it was so bad
[cfc-lalo] it is just impossible to hit you without a rolling nade...
[cfc-lalo] ops
[cfc-Maciej] cheap
[CF-Random00`ea] like I said.
[CF-Random00`ea] I will move when I get bad wind
[cfc-lalo] don't you you're darksiding?
[CF-Random00`ea] and thats everything except no wind to 3* red wind
[cfc-Maciej] i like bng and hoped that at last i will not get lame opponents like wm, but i see cf isn;t better
[cfc-Maciej] just everything for the wind
[cfc-Maciej] no fun
[cfc-Maciej] jusy f@#!ing lame cheap
[cfc-Maciej] show us how you are good
[cfc-Maciej] now how lame you are
[cfc-Maciej] i jave already saw that
[CF-Random00`ea] I dont understand what you wanna say.
[CF-Random00`ea] oO?
[cfc-lalo] ...
[CF-Random00`ea] vnt
[cfc-Maciej] i never use this kind of shot ;/
[CF-Random00`ea] ns
[CF-Random00`ea] like a 4s
[CF-SPW`ea] ty
[CF-Random00`ea] xD
[cfc-lalo] lel
[CF-Random00`ea] oh I see.
[CF-Random00`ea] Im lame
[CF-Random00`ea] damn it xd
[cfc-Maciej] you are lamest here so far
[cfc-Maciej] imo at least
[cfc-Maciej] and i have heard you are so good plauyer...
[CF-Random00`ea] all lies.
[cfc-Maciej] i see
[CF-Random00`ea] komo was exaggerating because I had a good start at some game against him
[cfc-lalo] lol
[CF-Random00`ea] gg
[cfc-Maciej] gj
[CF-Random00`ea] oh
[CF-SPW`ea] gg
[CF-Random00`ea] gg :)
[CF-Random00`ea] nt ;d
[CF-SPW`ea] uff
[CF-SPW`ea] tx
[cfc-Maciej] miss
[cfc-Maciej] ;o
[cfc-Maciej] bl
[cfc-lalo] geeeez
[cfc-lalo] I should have known
[cfc-Maciej] pffffffff
[CF-Random00`ea] we just have 1 port left.
[CF-Random00`ea] 0 now ;d
[CF-SPW`ea] gg
[cfc-Maciej] i will comment this game for sure
[CF-Random00`ea] fun game so far :)
[CF-Random00`ea] I liked lalos last port
[cfc-Maciej] it is crap game so far
[CF-Random00`ea] feel the irony
[CF-Random00`ea] you really think I enjoyed this game? Oo
[cfc-Maciej] no you just sucked
[CF-Random00`ea] thanks :)
[cfc-lalo] lol
[cfc-lalo] xD
[CF-Random00`ea] aw nt
[CF-SPW`ea] gg
[CF-Random00`ea] gg

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Offline Maciej

Game #47802, Reported by Random00
« on: December 11, 2010, 01:42 AM »
after those all lame bngs with WM, which uses 4 sec instead zook even while no wind, I was so happy that CF is gonna to pick bng. I thought, yeah, at last I will get some nice skilled bng, but... unfortunely CF was even lamer than WM... I have nothing against SPW, he was ok, but Random, after we got advantage after few good shots started to use darkhides, then moved in the center of the map, there was clearly less than half of the screen to lalo worm, cried about 1 hp and told us to not play cheap (rolling nades) while he was sitting underground. Thought you will show us how good player you are, but now I see you get no fun, everything for the win.
You can all smite me, I don't care, but I'm not any kind of asslicker. And watch this f@#!ing game before.
I guess I will have to start to play a2b, because on tus there are only lame players in bng, even so great clan like CF plays like shit.
Even Komo couldn't stand this game.

Offline Kaleu

Re: Game #47802, Reported by Random00
« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2010, 01:51 AM »
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Offline TheKomodo

Re: Game #47802, Reported by Random00
« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2010, 02:11 AM »
Why are you saying I couldn't stand it? I was frustrated for other reasons.

I ain't getting involved with this one.

Offline Maciej

Re: Game #47802, Reported by Random00
« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2010, 02:33 AM »
hum, you got me wrong, that's probably because of my poor english.
I meant that you couldn't stand it, if you were in game.

Offline Random00

Re: Game #47802, Reported by Random00
« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2010, 03:30 AM »
Im just doing an analysis of this game now to see why noone enjoyed it.
So let's start with hides at start. I think you can compare Maciej's hide with SPW's hide. Both are quite good, no 3s shots possible, but 5s lg works fine there.
I don't have that much cover in my hide, but Im also just able to throw 5s lg; no 3s. But lalo cant even throw 5s lg nade from where he hided. And it's also almost impossible to directly hit him with a nade (just 4s, which wouldnt be timed well at all). So I think a different hide there could have made things better.
Except some 4s full power shots from lalo (because of his hide) everything is quite ok. I mean even throwing two 4s full power nades isnt a big deal if you change your strategy then and move or try some different shot as lalo did then. His well thrown 5s max nade (around 5:10) pushed my worm under a tree where I was still able to zook with a few winds.
Now we come to a point in bng where you have hundreds of different definitions of what darksiding is. A few months or even weeks ago I personally would call my position darksiding which means that I should move in my upcoming turn. Now I think that it's ok to have a few shots with zook if the wind is ok (I think up to 3 tries are fine). I dont know if there is a majority who favours a special defitnion, but it could really help to have a strict line for this.
Not much happened until 10:45 (I just went with my "zook if wind"-strategy for 3 shots in the meantime), then I moved. Directly after I moved Maciej did a nice 3s shot. In the next few turns SPW and me are missing all our 5s lg shots but cfc is hitting my worm in 4 consecutive turns. Lalo's turn were a full powered 4s and a full powered "no wind"-zook, which is basically the same.
After getting hit that much I decided to move. There was obviously just one spot left on our side where I could go. The space between my worm and lalo's worm was aprrox. 20% of the map's width. So there we go again: Should this be considered as too close? How many percent of the map should be between the worms in the center of the map? Sticking to the current rules it should be 50% for 1vs1 (which I think is really a lot too much) and 33% for 2vs2 (which I also think is too much for many maps). A good thing to solve this is playing on maps that dont have hides in the map's center. So, I let's say I teleported too close. Infinite teleports would be useful in this case so we just agree that its to close and everyone skips his turn, so I could move away again.
But despite my close and also good hide Maciej does a vn zook that hits my face.

After a few more shots we came to a point (at ~ 18:40) where the mood changed. I was at a spot where I could just do zooks (like I already wrote above: Im going to do up to 3 zook shots with good wind before I move) and SPW was just being pushed to a spot where he could'nt throw nades either. Then cFc was accusing us to be darksiding and I just think that we didnt at this point, because SPW had no turn yet to move and I had decent wind twice in a row, so I didnt move yet either. Then SPW moved at his turn but nevertheless lalo tried a lame 3s rolling nade that even sitted, did 1 damage to me and whats more important: just ruined my hide with a lame shot that was even a cow. (After this point I just went a bit mad I think ^^).

I wanted lalo to skip for his cow which he did. But then I made a move that I now see is kinda silly. I torched even closer to lalo, so that the between us is just like 15% of the map's width.
This hide was not just close to him, it was also nearly impossible to hit me with a well timed nade. And in this hide I did a cheap 4s rolling nade to lalo in revenge for his rolling nade. (I think the rolling nade was kinda fair in this case, but my hide surely wasnt.)
Then lalo moved, I tried some 5s max bounce stuff and then wanted to move. But unfortunately I got some really nice wind twice in a row and stayed in my cheap hide. I knew my hide sucked ass but I still justified my actions with lalos rolling nade. This was wrong of me because I already had my revenge with my rolling nade and I clearly should have moved in this situation. (Again unlimited teleports would help here, because we just had 1 left).

After I finally moved things were about to get normal again. We all made shots that I wouldnt call any lame. But noone did any hit with this, hehe. Then (at around 32:00) Maciej fired a full powered 4s; probably because he was still angry at me fpr using this lame hide. After this SPW did a nice "no wind"-zook hit and lalo also started to throw 4s nades at me again (the second one rolled in dealing 42 damage). Finally Im being killed with another 4s nade by Maciej in the next turn.
After this there were quite a few more lame turns, especially at the end when lalo and SPW both could just throw bouncing nades.

All in all I think that one lame action encouraqge a new lame action that was even lamer and it went on like this up to a point where the game was just a pain in the ass for all players. To avoid games like this in the future we should
1. have unlimited teleports in the scheme
2. have a clear definition what darksiding means
3. maybe an adjusted minimum space between the teams (I think that 50%[1vs1] /  30%[2vs2] is just too much)
If noone thinks that the other one has an unfair advantage because of darksiding I think there will be a lot less lame shots at all.

And at the end: sorry for pissing you off. Didnt think that I was the main reason for this game to become a lame war, but after checking the replay again I think that my darksiding starting at 19:50 was the main reason.
PS: hi husk who will never read this XD

Offline Crazy

Re: Game #47802, Reported by Random00
« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2010, 03:30 AM »
I don`t think Random played any lame in this game, I think you are exaggerating Maciej. What exactly did he do? He never darksided, he was always possible to attack you guys in every turn he was there. You guys did a sitter, and by the book you should skip. Normally Random would let this one go, I know him well enough to say that, but he had a reaction because of you guys calling him lame; its human/natural. About the length of the map, on him being close to you guys; I`m not very comfortable with this rule, I don`t remember how it has been practiced earlier, and how it has evolved, but it seems Wooka has said that it should be 1/3 of the length of the map. You must take in consideration that this map had few hides, and I find his hide OK. I remember from earlier games myself that no one would complain about a hide like this, but maybe it has changed and people are more strict about it.  

Offline Crazy

Re: Game #47802, Reported by Random00
« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2010, 03:36 AM »
You didn`t darkside Sebastian, how is that a darkside? Anyway, this is just a game that occurs once in a while when people have bad days at the same time, in my opinion, I`ve seen it before

Offline Random00

Re: Game #47802, Reported by Random00
« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2010, 03:52 AM »
You didn`t darkside Sebastian, how is that a darkside?

My defitinion of darksidings is way lighter than yours! ;o
I think darksiding is when you cant be hit with a nade that explodes on impact. Being hit here means like doing 10 damage or more.
If you said that darksiding is when you cant be hit by any shot, then you'd be right ;d

Offline TheKomodo

Re: Game #47802, Reported by Random00
« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2010, 04:00 AM »
I'm actually gonna back Random up on this one, I had a long talk with him after the game cuz I just woke up and was acting like a lil kid who just dropped his ice cream.

While I think his hide is classed as darksiding, I only class it as that if you stay there forever, but when he was pushed, and tried a few shots with nice wind, I think this is acceptable, and the sensible thing to do, at the very least if you are pushed like this, you should definately be allowed at least 1 return shot to try and get some damage back which leads me to this:

My idea for Darksiding rule:

You are not allowed to hide in a position that stops the opponent from directly hitting you on impact with grenades, which also forces them to use overtimed grenades to roll in, If you are pushed you are allowed 3 attempts for a return shot or 1 hit then you must move.

^^ Randoms hide in this game at 5:30 is a perfect example of what I mean.

I think the minimum space between enemy worms should be around 30% for 1v1 and 30% for 2v2, people should just be careful to make maps that have good hides on both sides far enough away from the middle, this is a reason I started putting big hills in the middle of my maps which people refer to as volcanos lol.

I don't blame Random for asking lalo to skip, when it comes to BnG and when it's war like this game, rules are rules.

I totally agree with Random that the cow ruined his hide, this happened to me once in a clanner where the opponent done a cow, we asked them to skip turn, but instead they hit themself a little which made there hide better which gave them an advantage in a very crucial point in the game where we only had like 10hp each left, but of course, I am 100% sure lalo didn't intend this to happen and didn't want to do a sitter, this was just an unfortunate accident.



Edit: Nice map btw :)

Offline Crazy

Re: Game #47802, Reported by Random00
« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2010, 04:13 AM »
You didn`t darkside Sebastian, how is that a darkside?

My defitinion of darksidings is way lighter than yours! ;o
I think darksiding is when you cant be hit with a nade that explodes on impact. Being hit here means like doing 10 damage or more.
If you said that darksiding is when you cant be hit by any shot, then you'd be right ;d

Hmm yeah I think you are on to something here, I just got home from town, let me read over this tomorrow and I might agree with your defenition

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Re: Game #47802, Reported by Random00
« Reply #10 on: December 11, 2010, 05:14 AM »
  

-You think you are pretty smart, but is was not me, and you became dumb.   Phanton.    <3

Offline TheKomodo

Re: Game #47802, Reported by Random00
« Reply #11 on: December 11, 2010, 05:19 AM »
OMG, I love Hypertraxx, that's an awesome song man, xD

+1 for that for relevance haha

If you like Hypertraxx you should check out this song:




Ah that's a classic xD

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Re: Game #47802, Reported by Random00
« Reply #12 on: December 11, 2010, 05:23 AM »
Haha! :D
I keep getting +1 from u for my good taste in music! xD

But ye, was mostly the name of the song that made me post it!

On topic ; i havent watched the game, but i agree with Random00 :D haha!
  

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Offline TheKomodo

Re: Game #47802, Reported by Random00
« Reply #13 on: December 11, 2010, 05:26 AM »
I give +1 to anyone who tells a good joke or posts a great song or something xD

You know, things that actually deserve +1 or -1, not just cuz you do or don't like someone xD

And yeah, I agree with Random too, was a perfect analysis of the game :)

Offline MonkeyIsland

Re: Game #47802, Reported by Random00
« Reply #14 on: December 11, 2010, 06:32 AM »
lol drop this "lame BnG style" thoughts. I am incapable of understanding the big deal here. This is clanner and war! Unload your BnG anger on me and move on.
Due to massive misunderstandings: MonkeyIsland refers to an island not a monkey. I would be a monkey, if my name was IslandMonkey meaning a monkey who is or lives on an island. MonkeyIsland is an island which is related to monkeys. Also there's been a legend around saying MonkeyIsland is a game. So please, think of me as an island or a game.