Author Topic: Game #57630, Reported by SnipeR` (Read 1589 times)

Guaton · « **Reply #1 on:** February 27, 2011, 04:51 AM »

won against some1 cos ur opponent got cr8 raping almost the whole game is not a big deal lol

when u beat zippo, crash and artic at ttrr with them finishing the map , u can rly be happy

franz · « **Reply #2 on:** February 27, 2011, 06:24 AM »

sniper had some nice turns, and some good knocking. give him credit ;d

though artic really hurt his chances early with some big mistakes. he should feel lucky it was that close at the end ;x

"cr8 raping" is still just an excuse

Kaleu · « **Reply #3 on:** February 27, 2011, 06:39 AM »

Your comment haven't sense, if you will comment in all games that the cr8's helped, you will get 50.000 posts.
And your comment involve me because i'm brazillian, don't say no, i know
that's true.
It's sux, i always get in a fight because stupid things...

edit: Tx for the support Franz.

TheKomodo · « **Reply #4 on:** February 27, 2011, 06:58 AM »

Hey, everyone entitled to their opinions, I strongly believe crate rape happens at least 30% of Ropers on REALLY hard maps, whether they make mistakes or not, I talk about the fact that crates land that are impossible to collect and attack (like the one I watched you and Dead play) like these 2:

https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/game-57398/
https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/game-57399/

This map isn't as bad in theory the way I see it, but still, it happens everyday to multiple players.

You always use the fact someone fell with a bad crate as defense crate raping doesn't exist, while I say that because they got a bad crate it forces them to try and rope faster or panic, which causes them to fall.

What would happen if ArtiC didn't make those mistakes? Still got the bad crates, and still lost? Would you still be in denial, even if he roped as perfect as humanly possible?

This is why I host on the maps I do, if people don't like it, I don't care, the better Roper does win on my maps cuz even the hard crates are possible to attack if you are quick enough.

Kaleu · « **Reply #5 on:** February 27, 2011, 08:18 AM »

Cool.

Guaton · « **Reply #6 on:** February 27, 2011, 08:38 AM »

Quote from: franz on February 27, 2011, 06:24 AM

sniper had some nice turns, and some good knocking. give him credit ;d

though artic really hurt his chances early with some big mistakes. he should feel lucky it was that close at the end ;x

"cr8 raping" is still just an excuse

dude , do u think if sniper had had artic's cr8 he would have won? do u rly think cr8 raping is an excuse? i bet u had lost a lot of games cos of cr8s , i wouldnt believe u if u say " no i havent"

i havent watched crash and zippo replays , but considering their roping skills , it was a siimilar thing

i just hate when some1 less skilled than other one start to give himself some credit cos he won a roper or another scheme based on luck ...

Guaton · « **Reply #7 on:** February 27, 2011, 08:57 AM »

Quote from: SnipeR` on February 27, 2011, 06:39 AM

Your comment haven't sense, if you will comment in all games that the cr8's helped, you will get 50.000 posts.
And your comment involve me because i'm brazillian, don't say no, i know
that's true.
It's sux, i always get in a fight because stupid things...

edit: Tx for the support Franz.

lol , yes im xenofobic , hate on u ugly zillians lmao

if u wanna know why i got kinda pissed , just look at the last line o my other post ...

and not, u are wrong , im not looking at all the roper replays , i have seen some of them with , in my opinion, a lot of luck only for one and tell me , do u see some reply from me?

i just was curious and look at what i found! a prepotent

oh ye , and that thing about ur country , i was joking , if u didnt get the irony .. it doesnt matter ur country , u are gonna be the same guy wherever u live

franz · « **Reply #8 on:** February 27, 2011, 09:05 AM »

Hard crates in ropers are not there to be annoying, but to be challenging. They encourage you to attempt roping fast and do a great turn. If you're too slow in that attempt or the crate really is impossible, you're encouraged to collect and hide safely. Also worth noting: you don't always have to hide in the deepest/hardest spot -> In fact, hiding in a spot that allows for a speedy escape is a skill that seems to go underutilized.

Komo, you seem to misunderstand my "defense". My main point has always been the same -> Crates practically never decide games. Player performance and ultimately mistakes decide games wayy more (easily 95%+).

Playing on an easy map is fine if you really want to (I'll play any map btw), but realize that it removes an aspect of ropers that's there to test players under pressure. You can tell a lot about a player by how he reacts to crates. If you can handle all crates by staying calm and continuing to rope your best, you increase your chances of winning a lot more than someone who complains and likely ropes poorly. In this, you can see how one's mental approach can easily hurt or help your chances.

franz · « **Reply #9 on:** February 27, 2011, 09:18 AM »

Quote from: Guaton on February 27, 2011, 08:38 AM

i havent watched crash and zippo replays , but considering their roping skills , it was a siimilar thing

i just hate when some1 less skilled than other one start to give himself some credit cos he won a roper or another scheme based on luck ...

hey come on.. from what I've seen of Sniper's roping, he is a decent player. no he isn't better than Artic, but you don't have to bring him down just because he's happy winning some games vs some really good pro's.

if I remember the replay correctly, I believe the same thing happened in the zippo game -> zippo made some mistakes, and sniper played solid enough to win. maybe you thought Sniper was trying to sound like he is now better than all these pro's, but he knows what happened in all these games. without his opponent's mistakes, he most likely wouldn't have won. he also knows that these were only single games.

SPW · « **Reply #10 on:** February 27, 2011, 09:19 AM »

Yep, franz is right here.

But till people see "hiding at top" as something lame, it wont change. I saw a lot of comebacks just because of that missing tactical move. I would hide all the time on top by having hp-average from at least 50+.

By playing roper you always have to live with hard crates / easy crates for opponent. This even can happen the whole game. Roper contains more luck than other schemes.

Thats why "Sniper > Artic" is quiet possible. But also Sniper did improve his skills and he defeantly deserves that win.

well done, Sniper.

TheKomodo · « **Reply #11 on:** February 27, 2011, 09:26 AM »

I do not misunderstand your point, I fully understand EXACTLY what you mean, we just have different views is all lol.

If Player A keeps getting pretty easy crates and keeps attacking, so far having a 100% attack ratio and Player B fails 2 of those easy crates in time to attack, so for example Player A has 157, Player B has 89, it is Player A's turn, the crate lands so far and deep it's impossible to collect it and attack in ANY way, he gets the crate, ropes perfect, gets back to the hide, Player B gets easy crate, attacks, it's now 109 for Player B and 110 for Player A, Player A gets the same impossible crate again, and again ropes perfect gets the crate and gets his hide back, Player B gets another easy crate and attacks, it's now 129 for Player B and 87 for Player A, they then both get easy crates for the next 2 turns each and attack again perfect, the score is now, 37 for Player A and 75 for Player B, it's Player A and again Player A gets an impossible crate, but ropes perfect and gets their hide again, Player B gets another easy crate and attacks and now the score is, Player A has 10, Player B has 95, Player A gets easy crate attacks, and hides, has 30hp left, Player A gets another easy crate and attacks and wins the game.

Crates decided this game, and i've seen it happen before.

Even when each player messes up a few times each, but the player who has actually been playing better and has a lead, starts getting impossible crates and the other player gets easy crates, from this point on, crates decide the game if they continue to "rape" one player.

This does happen, has happened, and will continue to happen, I really wish I could see it from your point of view, I would love to be as "calm" as you when things like this happens.

You are right, by roping your best you increase your chances, but what good is roping your best if you are obviously getting impossible or next to impossible crates so many turns while the opponent gets crates so easy and they take a HUGE lead, which you can only really come back from if they start getting hard crates too and can't handle them.

Either way I will still continue to play Ropers, I always will, but I have a choice to play on what maps I want, and if I think I am going to get crate raped with players hosting on maps I think are ridiculous for crates, I will just refuse to play, but if I get to Playoffs, I'll have to play on their maps then and i'll have to take my chances and hope I don't get ridiculous crates xD

franz · « **Reply #12 on:** February 27, 2011, 09:53 AM »

Your example is so extreme, I'm sorry. There are so many variables in each game, it's crazy to just accept your super simplified story. Do I really need to mention them?

What about hides that are exposed to partial attacks from above/behind land? Even "impossible" crates can easily turn into partial attacks through land (I've tried to do this with my newer maps, making nearly every hide open to partial attacks). Did both players really hide perfectly? Did both players really attack perfectly too? Did you ever think the players might hide differently if there are really that many impossible crates? Maybe they hide closer to the escape route?

Your story has way too many assumptions, and really it just sounds like a fairy tale. Show me a cold hard replay, and we can talk then. These stories really don't prove anything.

Quote from: Komito on February 27, 2011, 09:26 AM

You are right, by roping your best you increase your chances, but what good is roping your best if you are obviously getting impossible or next to impossible crates so many turns while the opponent gets crates so easy and they take a HUGE lead, which you can only really come back from if they start getting hard crates too and can't handle them.

maybe because this is super highly unlikely? unless you want to take the effort and bother to find even a single replay, this never even happens as often as you make it sound!

ZiPpO · « **Reply #13 on:** February 27, 2011, 10:03 AM »

i lose vs him too

just played bad hehe

let him wins and be happy guys

after u pwn him 10-0 and break all her teeth.

sincerely was easier for me to lose vs sniper playing badly than to have lost vs crash having advantage the whole of the game and not hiding on top and in the first oportunity than he have he hide on top and wins ROFL

btw rofl this quote

Quote from: Guaton on February 27, 2011, 04:51 AM

l
when u beat zippo, crash and artic at ttrr with them finishing the map , u can rly be happy

*and cr8 rape inst only a excuse

TheKomodo · « **Reply #14 on:** February 27, 2011, 10:15 AM »

Actually, it's your side that has too many assumptions franz(imo), and why should I show you countless replays when you always see things differently no matter what?

I find it impossible to believe a player like you, who has played literally thousands of Ropers thinks there are no replays with crate rape lol, it's actually just funny.

Many people share the opinion that there is alot of crate rape in "hard" maps, i'd say more than think not, but there are also many people who share your opinion.

I totally share your opinion on the style of maps I prefer, but with the likes you used with Dead, regardless what you think or say, impossible crates WILL land and "could" decide the game, I promise you this 100%.

That doesn't mean they do though, but they can.

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