Quote from: Senator on January 04, 2015, 09:58 AM

Quote from: MonkeyIsland on January 02, 2015, 06:41 AM
It's having more POs with more inactive and demotivated players.

Yes if playoffs requirement for TEL was kept the same. Classic league players would get around 30 Elite games from Classic league. So if TEL playoffs requirement was set back to 50 games, they would still need 20 TEL/TUS games more to qualify. My suggestion is useful only when TEL is active and you need more than 20 games to qualify for playoffs.

Classic singles & clanner, TEL and Free league together are quite much for one player. Thus most players have to make a choice between the leagues. Simple math: after clanners you have time to play 100 games so you have to choose between TUS (80 games) and TEL (50 games). Instead you could play 80 TUS games and 20 TEL games (or 100 TUS games) and qualify for both playoffs. That means one more participant for either league.

Senator, this is the exact problem of wa activity and tus league. The league has grown at a time of wa being really active and we had enough players competing across all the leagues for them to be active and a challenge. But over the past 12 months with wa becoming more inactive, tus hasn't changed and there are TOO many leagues for players to play in. [Which i've mentioned in other posts]. Its becoming a ghost town with empty houses for example as people have left but the infrastructure has remained the same.

Now new comers to competitive gaming on wa have too much choice and in the past in other leagues there was only 1 classic league. So all new players went into this league and learnt classic league schemes. However, new gamers come to tus and pick and play free league, or abnormal, HAL, TRL, TEL etc and the community is becoming divided because of the activity that has decreased, looks bigger when the league games are divided between more leagues.

I really think we should try going back to our roots and only support an overall classic league for singles. Its great that tus has a lot of bells and whistles to add as features like cups and challenges, but in my opinion there is too much choice for such a small community for competitive gaming.

However we are the masters of our own fate and these none classic schemes must be popular to a certain degree, people are playing and learning on wormnet, but having TEL or TRL or the other leagues currently isn't doing us anything favours.

I think MI should remove certain leagues and cups and challenges and we should only have classic league with maybe free league. This would require less updates and coding from MI at a time when he finds it difficult to work on tus as often as he did in the past, and then there is nothing from stopping other members of the community building their own websites if they wanted to host a unique league. This is what happened in the past with WEL, NNL and rr challenge sites i think that FFie used to support with Darkone. That why when new comers came to tus, they'd adapt to classic league faster and we'd have more activitity in the most important league on wormnet, and if they wanted to play non classic schemes there is still free league or independent new websites that other community members could host instead of asking MI to turn on or off each month.

Quote from: Peja on December 30, 2014, 12:42 PM
you can already do it. just report your game twice rofl. f@#!ing lazy idiots 

exactly!

Why not if both players agree the game can be report for TEL and elite classic standings and use the same replay twice. But must be clearly stated by both players?

Quote from: Peja on January 03, 2015, 08:07 PM

Quote from: MonkeyIsland on January 03, 2015, 05:04 PM
I'll setup a poll to see how many will vote for a scheme.

if your goal is to determine how many people are interested in reopening trl, your poll sucks hard 

we need to consolidate all our activity of league games in one standings and one proper league (classic) instead of spreading the time and activity of wormers thin across too many leagues and competitions. No fun in being king of the scheme that only 10 or so people tried to compete at. Alot of fun in being champion of wa across all popular schemes.

I seriously think removing more of these free league schemes is one solution as mentioned in the HAL thread. The reason why there is inactivity in certain leagues is because we have too many!!!

Quote from: avirex on December 28, 2014, 08:45 PM
yea, no kidding...

i think TUS should terminate all these small little bs things...

its just taking a small community, and dividing it into even small groups..

its ridiculous, cant even find a TUS game anymore :X

my exact thoughts too. Even when wa was more active we only had a couple of independent leagues from main classic which were hosted by third parties to the moderators and staff of the major league. For example xlo had a bungee race league and mil2 hosted WEL separate from FB or AL/XTC at the time.

I really do think going back to basics and having less leagues, cups and challenges would benefit the activity of classic league. [This was all discussed in a thread about 3 months ago about league activity and we never came to a conclusion] I guess i'd just discontinue some of the features and let them be run by individuals with their own time and effort.. See how popular they are then and how long people want HAL, TRL or granny shopper cups. Would save MI a lot of time if he only had classic league to moderate and code.

If TUS was a business or a government, sell off or privatise all the non classic league features and let the community run them if they are so popular and would save a lot of bother to MI and mods. 

Nah. Too many free leagues and cups and challenges. Everyone stick to classic!

Chelsea has reported a roper vs CKC which p3 didn't win. We were playing p3 in roper and had a lead around 250 hp vs them who were both close to dying in a couple of turns potentially. Chelsea then dropped.

We asked for rematch with handicaps and they refused so i reported the game [#182746] as a win for CKC.. Chelsea has then reported the same game as a win for them.

ok i can understand how you came to that opinion.

but my point is that there are ways to beat people who rely on fp shots than just dramatically creating a scheme change. And by making fp shots harder your encouraging new players to mabye do lamer 'bouncy' shots, which are prefectly legal if they don't become sitters, and your not just making it more difficult to do a fp 4sec shot that can be notched, but changing the degree of difficulty to do various low wind zooks with and without lg... while they whole time your potentially being repeated by a 3sec nade roller?

Now for the rant... and probably ropa and SPW will agree with me here..

I guess more to the point is that changing the scheme isn't the answer yet its really frustrating when these changes are put in place without little consideration to the history of a scheme or with any discussion with input from players who know that scheme well, but not only that a generation of hysteria breed wormers accept whatever tus scheme is put infront of them as gospel as don't know any different.. its like lets change a scheme, play it for 45 days and because no one who knew old bng rules was active that month its now the default tus scheme cus less than 100 shopper, wxw hysteria guys played it and liked it as they don't know bng that well. Then you come back from being inactive to see one of your favourite schemes has been ruined....

KRD has been the only person to give any constructive feedback on schemes as trying to define the standard schemes that people agree to, so t17 can release them in an update so wormers learn 'correct' schemes by default.

So far darkone is the only person to counter argue these changes. Everyone else is just a 'non-bnger' who prefers the scheme yet hasn't given a reason why they prefer the experimental changes.. with the expection its going on the pretense that it makes notching harder because bng was 'broken'. This contains its own hyprocrisy as tus said people should learn notching and create more awareness around it.

Some players took the time to learn to notch and dt even made notching transparent within its own network by sharing a map with the notched ranges on. I even hated it at one stage but can admit i have learnt to notch some shots. However i haven't mastered it like barman, mablak, random00, komodo etc and still do shots with feeling and other shots i notch. Those players above took the time to learn it and deserve that advantage, just like anyone who practices rr or elite and becomes a better player.
Yet the current scheme changes encourages you to learn less about bng when we should be encouraging people to learn more varied shots (as Darkone has said 'don't do those shots now that the aimming makes it harder...'), classic bng scheme and rules has plenty of options for beating notchers if you don't notch, there are a lot of options for bouncing lg 5sec nades full distance of the map and getting them to explode on impact when you have a 'darksided' hide, this is just one legal example as you can teleport between a 4sec full power notch shot. It also requires a level of skill to consistently notch a shot succesfully each turn which few are good at.

So anyone want to add to my argument that its just turning it into a 3sec nade festival where your encouraged to not learn more varied shots?

ps. I still think me and Anubis created the best bng scheme rules in AL league. we didn't even have a half screen distance rule and said mininum distance should be the width of approx 2 griders.

Dead, Almog, Astgorshti(cfc guy) would be good more active people to ask.

so we going back to normal rules?

no idea what the guy did in the forums but hes asked me to be unbanned as well.

hes probably a nut job for always having to insult people because hes doing it for his own amusment but even the crazies with some skill are worth playing a league game against. If hes not breaking the rules (asides from behavious) don't see the harm in keeping him muted and letting him take part in league games? - Although... this could promote other trolls to keep trolling if they see their behaviour won't go punished. Too bad he doesn't live in the UK as internet bullying is now illegal and you can go to jail haha

i've not played a single bng according to tus rules this season and every opponent has accepted 'classic' rules. Really think its time to revert to the normal bng rules for next season....

ropa brings up the topic of scheme changes happening by players and members of the community that don't even play those schemes.

it would be like me changing ttrr back to 30sec rr scheme in rules because it gives me a chance to maybe draw or win some games..? learn to bng, learn to notch if you want, learn to defeat notchers in a manor that requires tactics and 'darksiding' hides where you can be protected from notched shots and still bank grenades out of this hide... bng isn't broken. Just look at the games me and AreGoetia played. Barman, Komodo and random00 all deserve their rank in bng because they took the time to master the scheme.

I was speaking to a few people (well Peja) and since the removally of the 50% rule he said it does change the mentality of a clanner.

For example now if the 50% rule was removed we would have playoffs, but with the 50% rule we could still have playoffs but just a final of cfc vs p3.

If 3 clans qualified, you could have 1st place an automatic bye to final and then semi final of 2nd vs 3rd.

If only 1 clan has 50% winning ratio then they receive the golden trophy.

If 4 clans qualify we have a normal playoff setup as usually.

What are peoples thoughts on this and would it be possible to code it this way?

MI - think the site could be recoded to reflect the new 40 game limit?

gg's indeed and pleasure playing you! This is how competitive bng is a broken scheme