Quote from: TheWalrus on July 21, 2012, 12:27 AM
glad i have faith and spirituality.  i dont have to worry about this stuff, i just let God take care of it.  makes things a lot easier.   

Well, God isn't really there, we're the only ones who can worry about this stuff ;0. If you believe in God, then there is an extremely heavy burden of proof on you to show it to the rest of us. I say if you can't prove it to a scientist, then it doesn't exist. And 93% of our National Academy of Sciences' members are atheist, for a good reason.

CF and mm: next weekend probably doesn't work for me, maybe Saturday August 4th, 20 GMT?

Nice quote Cue, I've never read a book by Dawkins, only seen his talks.

But Free, you don't need to distinguish between brain-consciousness and consciousness, or as I think you mean, between body and mind (Cartesian dualism). Here's the thing, if there is some supernatural feature of the mind, how could we possibly communicate that? The supernatural by definition cannot interact with the natural. Consciousness can't be supernatural, because we know it exists, and is responsive to cause and effect. Alternatively, you could suppose that certain laws of the universe are suspended within our minds, but all that would mean is that those 'laws' weren't entirely correct, and would be revised to make it so that whatever is going on in the brain is actually natural.

I think what you're looking for is a way to describe the specialness of consciousness, but we don't need magic to do that. We don't need to elevate consciousness to some higher plane in order for it to be special, for example, rainbows still look cool despite knowing that they're the result of light refracting off droplets. The complexity and mystery of its physical basis, the brain, is good enough. Even if consciousness were magical in some way, what would that change? It's not going to alter our desires, motivations, intentions, or any of that.

It's hard to say in what way consciousness exists spatially, but it's clearly something generated by the brain. If you damage part of the brain, you will lose corresponding memories or thought processes in your consciousness. If a lot of the brain is damaged, you lose even more. Going further, it only makes sense to say that when the brain is fully destroyed, so is your consciousness.

You could say it exists outside the body in the sense that, if your brain is recreated, so is your consciousness. But you have to have that brain existing somewhere for consciousness to exist.

Good jorb Flori, looks like the game is on ;O

Kaleu, fr doesn't offer any advantage for rr speed, I'd lean towards saying one finger is better, fewer bodily motions to think about. Kind of like debating whether or not a one or two-handed backhand is best in tennis, no clear answer, and it certainly depends on the person as well.

Alright tomorrow 20 GMT?

In case anyone's forgetting their worms history, Sony was a collaboration of Tony and Seneca. Tony founded RRKit, which had majorly popular monthly tournaments (starting in the days of 30 sec RR) as well as some challenges, and both Tony and Seneca were skilled RRers and mapmakers.

I'd like to remember some of the people who played those tournies... definitely a lot of the MwC clan, like Ryan, masta, Zeteg, Makaveli, Fredalot. Some people in the German clans like BkM and sCa, freez, Anubis, Killer, stepz, ramirez, I forget who else. Some North Americans like me, wza, and the NBR clan, with beelz, volrin, etc. The inseparable WormNet couples FFie/DarkOne and Dextah/CoolChloe, both formidable. But alas, most of WN doesn't have as much time for tournies now, I know I don't.

Maybe some people can remember more good names worth mentioning. You can still see a glimpse of RRKit here: http://rrkit.worms2d.info/

Wormkos, when can ye play? I can do most days at 20 GMT, any day work for you at that time?

There's not much chance of getting anyone's attention in a matter of one day :e

Thanks Husk, that was hilarious ;O

That guy did prevent one Koran from burning, but doesn't seem to matter when you can burn 40,000 in a few minutes:

http://youtu.be/qeAr01hzG30

Quote from: HHC on July 13, 2012, 09:13 PM
Hmm, It's easy to come across atheist arguments though. It's not like the pope censors forums like these lol. It's just that most people visit the websites that confirm their beliefs and point of view.

Furthermore, there aren't many good arguments against the belief in God.
As a divine being he moves about in the metaphysical sphere, and as Kant tells us, that's out of reason's reach. That's why you cannot prove ór disprove his existence with scientific arguments. You can merely speculate.

For me personally, the biggest counter-argument against the christian view (or the religious view in general) is that it happens to meet all of our wishes. Our greatest wish is living eternally and in good health, religion promises us just that, that can't be coincidence. 

I mean censorship in China, Russia, and the middle east. And there are nothing but good arguments against the belief in God, the primary one being that all human conceptions of God have been thoroughly refuted, as they can generally be reduced to faith-based or evidence-based rationales, neither of which hold up.

People often claim 'absence of evidence is not evidence of absence (of God)', but in fact it can be. If nearly every conceivable route to justifying the existence of God has been attempted, and has failed, then it's most reasonable to give up on that endeavor, or in effect put it near the bottom of your things-to-give-consideration list. Of course, if there is very compelling evidence to believe something might be true, then there is a reason to keep trying to justify or prove it. This was the case with Fermat's Last Theorem, as we could empirically see that it was probably true. In the case of God, I don't think there is a single piece of evidence making proving his existence a worthwhile endeavor.

The thing about a lot of online communities... this debate is mostly preaching to the choir. I think most people who spend a fair amount of time online inevitably turn atheist, it's just a matter of being exposed to certain arguments. But of course, this only works when the internet is uncensored, and unfortunately, one thing religions (and other forms of dogma) excel at is censorship.

Quote from: Mablak on July 12, 2012, 03:15 AM
Thanks for letting me in guys, I now offer my services as a sparring partner for anyone in EAC ;O

Edit: sorry about the mistake, was sposed to reply

Me me! When you would find time for bo5 elite? I could play tomorrow from 19gmt. How bout it? -Free

Ahhhhh you can modify mah posts :0

Well, let's just do it next time we see each other

Wuzz the deal mm and CKC?

Man, that's terrible. I can only hope those guys one day come to realize how much pain they're causing people.