It wasn't against rules, sorry am0kz, but rules are rules as long as you obey them, it's supposedly ok, don't worry, i've lost alot of games cuzza crap like this too, isn't the 1st, and probably won't be the last.

Lol well i've already openly admitted if someone plays cheap against me, I will against them, anyway it wasn't me lol, and avirex never complained about cheap play...


I do agree though, it's fckn lame lol

In every topic there is something about everyone, whoopdee doo lol

I asked to reset my overall rank for a serious reason - I don't want to play anymore, I achieved what I wanted to achieve, and again realised that I hate playing singles as it's too competitive and I don't enjoy it, end of story who cares blah blah blah lol.

But yeah, can we or what?

And if we can't, can you make it so we can?

Avi I have played this scheme before so don't assume I haven't.

I'll reply later.

w2 was 12 seconds, not 13.

Well thats what everyone who I played on w2 hosted with.

Abs, That's wrong, the 1st player will still be ahead after his 2nd turn.

Avi, you can't even rope on hard maps, I'm better than you on harder maps and even I suck, so even with your settings someone with better crates still does have a better chance, besides w2 scheme is 12 seconds not 13.

I'm telling you, the best solution is my idea lol

Clanners

I own Chuck Norris

And Grenade are better

Synthesizers or Pianos?

I am really interested in this scheme and I will try it, but I don't think it will take over the normal scheme.

Besides it's not the scheme thats wrong with ropers, people are only being crate raped because they are using ridiculously hard maps these days, the old style maps used to never have crate rape, like the maps I host with, hard crates, although hard, are very possible to at least collect and hit with a 1s/2s grenade or something, I don't know who 1st thought of making these ridiculously tight and high maps but it's stupid, it doesn't present true skill and never will thanks to the factor of crate rape...

When people see my maps they are like "Aaah this map sucks" but lol, not it doesn't suck back in the day they would be great, my maps are perfectly created for the skilled roper, if you actually think of it, roping on my maps isn't even too easy, yeah it's easier than most peoples because it isn't practically touching the roof or the sides, but it presents true skill.

I do like your idea Avi, but I wouldn't use it to replace the current scheme and it's not the scheme thats wrong, it's the maps, anyone with common sense and has been around for longer than only 5 years will know this is right and see what I mean, even if say "I don't like Komo so I won't even listen to him", I think your scheme will be good, as a 2nd choice of roper scheme, like just to make it more interesting, but I don't know if it should count to the same Standings or make a seperate scheme of it.

People started making these silly maps because more and more people started to tap fast and think that they have advantage over someone who can't tap fast, whether you believe this to be true or not does not matter, but does not relieve the fact that i've seen players get beat that are much better, because of these maps and their unlucky crates.

Something needs to be done about this, because not just is it frustrating to lose games because of crate rape, if you think about it, it can, and does cause people to fall out, some people who are friends, sometimes start arguements with each other because of a bad game, I am not saying this will solve that, but it will help a little if the scheme is more skill based and not luck.


And I had an idea a while back and never bothered to mention it, but here it is:

Let's go back to oldschool roper maps, you all know what i'm talking about, and if you don't i'll show you, but here's the perk, people will now say, blah blah 1st shot will win, well no, if you really want it to be a fair and true game then make it so the person who gets the 1st turn does NOT collect the crate, they instead w2w and THEN attack, but then the 2nd player gets 2 crates and attacks, then it's playing normal.

I have played several ropers like this, and imo it is better than the w2 rope scheme.

Quote from: Camperz on July 16, 2010, 08:15 PM

Quote from: guaton on July 16, 2010, 08:11 PM
ah omg

leave it like it is , the luck gives flavor to this game ...

its like adding machines to football , so the referee's mistakes could be avoided , lol ... would lose the essence of what football is

the game would become more monotonous and boring

if u wanna play without luck , dumbiej ( hard to do) , just play ttrr , elite and bng , and tell me how funny u will find this game

Agreed.


EDIT: Actually, LUCK is in all,
Luck is on the winds of BnG
Luck is on the hard moves of Elite
Luck is on the hard tricks of rr

Nah man, there is no luck in BnG, even when you get nice wind, you still have to be good enough to hit with it, if you are smart enough you can hide where it's hard to be hit when even wind, grenades are far more useful than wind, so is it luck that you can use grenades?

If I get no wind 5 times in a game, yeah I will probably use it, but then again, without this wind i'd probably still hit anyway, so how is that lucky? lol


Anyway yeah Nail, I understand and yeah you are right, it DOES suck when you play perfect, but lose because of bad crates and you obviously roped better than your opponent.

Also Nail I have played games where I have hit EVERY shot perfect, and had like FD on few shots so I am about 30hp ahead, both have like 40hp left, my turn, impossible crate, next turn, crate lands next to me so now I lose...

So many times... And so many people have had this too lol.

Quote from: NAiL on July 16, 2010, 06:04 PM
Crate luck is FAR more relevant to roper than it is to any other scheme that revolves around collecting weapon crates, and even still its extremely RARE that a game is ever lost soley because of the weapons you collected, or the crate luck you had in a roper.

You are so wrong lol, the amount of ropers lost because of 1 team getting harder crates is ridiculous, hence why I always host with maps that don't fill most of the map area, that are ridiculously high, and ridiculously tight at the sides, so that in term even with hard crates, it's always possible to get crate and hit if you are good enough.

Quote from: chakkman on July 16, 2010, 04:20 PM

Quote from: Komo on July 16, 2010, 10:33 AM
Quite alot of people still use FB shopper and wxw scheme, as do I and it's pretty decent, but seeing as FB and TuS only schemes I used for league matches in these schemes I don't really have a valid opinion, but alot of people seem to like the FB schemes for Shopper/WxW.

Either that, or just put the crate drop ratio down on the worse items? I don't know lol, but I agree that the crates are kinda weird, I got 4 prods in a TuS shopper once, and like lots of bows.

FB shoppa scheme has a lot of super weapons actually... i usually delete them from the scheme which makes it quite ok for me. I guess if TUS would tweak the FB schemes a bit and take them people would be happier with those all in all.

I would REALLY appreciate if you took the Team17 FB scheme at least, TUS one, excuse me, sucks hard.

The super weapons is what makes it good lol, some super weapons and some of the low power boring weapons, a good mix is perfect

Quote from: Ray on July 16, 2010, 11:00 AM

Quote from: MonkeyIsland on July 16, 2010, 04:21 AM
Why don't you offer a 'balanced' scheme and we shall update?

Monkey, the community is not always the solution! Have some balls and do what avirex said. Put a good staff together - as avirex said (thumbs up) - including reputable wormers, arrange a meeting on MSN/Skype/IRC, it doesn't matter, just make sure it has group talk. Then these people should discuss what to do with the scheme, then make it and then upload it. Work is done, everyone is happy.

You could also use that meeting to discuss other things?

Quite alot of people still use FB shopper and wxw scheme, as do I and it's pretty decent, but seeing as FB and TuS only schemes I used for league matches in these schemes I don't really have a valid opinion, but alot of people seem to like the FB schemes for Shopper/WxW.

Either that, or just put the crate drop ratio down on the worse items? I don't know lol, but I agree that the crates are kinda weird, I got 4 prods in a TuS shopper once, and like lots of bows.

Lol nino, everything is relative !!!