How does that give me the upper hand? You have the chance to win more points for starters (taking into consideration the current clans and standings) and we would eventually agree on 2 schemes, but if I said BnG 1st and you said elite, and then I said rope, and then you said ttrr, so I said what about roper and elite then you said what about elite and ttrr, there are only so many combinations we can go through until we agree lol...

I am not asking for anything, I am neither making a complaint or moaning, just wonder if anyone else shares an opinion with me that league standings for clanners will NEVER be accurate? But still be lots fun with your mates of course

There will always be noob bashing, avoiding, complaining, playing cheap, people trying to cheat, waiting for the right opportunities like (and please listen to me here I mean no offense, read the whole post and let me finish lol...) CF beating cfc at BnG without me there to defend our 19+ streak, and I know, this has happened to many others at many other schemes who probably share my pain so what goes around comes around and makes it kind of exciting and fair in a way that everyone is entitled to do most of these things without breaking rules or admitting it, we all know it's happening, but we don't really care cuz we do all enjoy it from time to time lol.

CF, BEFORE ANY of you reply to this trying to make me out to look like a bad guy, remember I am just using that situation as an example, it has happened to a countless amount of other players, you guys deserve every game you have won, you are all extremely talented players and I respect each and everyone of you, I know you are not afraid to play me at BnG lol, no one is, I am just saying from the fact you guys pick BnG very very very rarely (which is madness considering how good you all are at BnG, I would go as far as to say it is your strongest scheme, any combination of players in your clan can and probably would beat almost anyone else...) and it just looks like you picked it for easy points because cfc didn't have a strong BnG team on at the time, I don't mean any harm by saying this, and I could give probably a hundred other examples with almost every other clan on TuS I only use this one because it's the most recent.

Anyway, I know this would never happen, I know it's 100% impossible as we all have familys jobs and other interests and don't have the time, not to mention people on different timezones.

But, sometimes it's nice to think, if every clan, had a limit, which is playing every other clan 2 times, 4 games, Everyones 1st encounter against each other the team to pick 1st is randomly chosen, then the 2nd time they meet the other team get 1st pick, and all clans play each other with a full squad and each player has to play at least 1 game out of the 2 games against every clan, I bet the standings would be surprising and totally different to what it is now being able to play as many as you want against whoever you want and being able to reject clanners for whatever reason, valid or not.

I know this will never happen, and I ain't even suggesting it as an idea lol so don't say "Komo, that will never happen stop being a douche" I just think it's a nice idea to think about what it would be like if leagues were more organised, also nice to post your interests and thoughts now and again


Fire at will lol...

I actually don't mind that, I think it's actually pretty fun sitting debating what schemes everyone wants, in the end it more or less DOES make everyone happy...


It's the people that sit there and try and rush you and hurry you up to make a decision that annoys me, I like sitting for up to 5 minutes sometimes chatting with other cfc members deciding who will play what so that we all get a say in what we do and we all get to play and have fun...

But then again, most of the time I pick BnG lol, but sometimes I take my time cuz I ain't in the mood for a BnG, but normally i'll say something like "What do you guys pick because if you pick roper we will probably pick BnG, but if you pick Elite or something we will pick rope" and then usually they make a quick decision...

However, I am not saying it should be a rule, but both teams should definately make their pick before the 1st game starts, I hate when people change their pick halfway through a game because of the outcome, the amount of times I have went onto MSN or AG halfway through a game, and pulled a clanmate out of something they were doing because the opponent have said they pick Rope for example at the start of a BnG, then towards the end, they say they change their mind, and I got to tell my clanmate they are being annoying now trying to change their pick...

I don't care how long someone takes to pick something, as long as both teams do it before the 1st game starts and that words final...

Pffft, stop making excuses, you got owned and you know it, take it like a man

I'll have a roperalagazam though !

But w2 Rope is still years older than anything on WA and since you said:

"most of you think that because the scheme is "old" that its right... so nothing will ever change..."

It's quite funny cuz you said w2Rope is so much better than the normal one we use lol

Get it? Haha

Avi, he means w2 roper is older than any scheme on WA so it's ironic lol...

If you don't get a new PC soon i'll be sending you one...

Mablak man you suck, you used to sit on MSN and IRC alot and actually talk to people, now you just lurk about in the shadows no one can even have a conversation or stop to say hi unless you they manage to catch you in the 1.7 seconds it takes you to enter ag and host an intermediate_1v1...

Nice Tournament this this week if you exclude poor darKz partner troubles, he got dumped on twice in 2 games haha, unlucky mate, we feel your pain - *hugz* - Anyway, here are this weeks results, thanks for playing everyone



1st: Komo/Csongi
2nd: lacoste/skime
3rd: surgeon/wormf00d
4th: darKz/Dragon (Unique replaced Dragon at end)



surgeon/wormf00d - can host
lacoste/skime - can host
darKz/alanis - can host
Komo/Csongi - can host


** Semi Final **

surgeon/wormf00d Vs Komo/Csongi
lacoste/skime Vs darKz/alanis - lacoste/skime wins (alanis:AWOL)


*** 3rd Place Decider ***

darKz/Dragon Vs surgeon/wormf00d - surgeon/wormf00d win 2-1 (Unique replaced Dragon for the 3rd game)


*** Final ***

lacoste/skime Vs Komo/Csongi - Komo/Csongi win 2-0



See you all next week ! Thanks !

Basically I don't really think it matters what we do, people who know how to control crates and use good opportunities when they arise will win most of the time...

Most people know to avoid SD weapons now, if they don't, they should practise more, the thing that gets me is extremely bad random placement, for example, 3 worms at the bottom, and they have 2, with 1st turn, they get the 1st crate teleport up top, so they have 1 worm, you have 3 still down there, next turn you can only move 1, so you have a possible chance of 2 worms dying in the 2nd shot, but I know, this rarely happens, but even something like your opponent getting like 3 massive weapons in a row, cows, nana, hhg, while you get, uzi, zook, nade, is a bit frustrating, but that is when you got to play defensive and do everything you can to try and take control of crates and try and bluff your way, it's kind of like Poker in a way lol.

I think the occasional unbalanced game is fun, but when it happens 90% of the time to you, it sucks lol.

Quote from: HHC on September 09, 2010, 09:15 AMWhat is with you people that every single, tiny aspect of the game needs to be 'corrected' to take out the random/ "bad luck" factor?? Ask yourself this, would Worms, on a competitive level, still be fun if it came down to pure skill all the time? Wouldn't it be just as easy then to get rid of TUS and just hand out the Elite trophies to the CF squad, the RR to Ryan, the BnG to Komodo and the T17 to me (lolz)?
Heck, would Worms still be 'fun'?

I agree with you, but yes, I am guessing the reason why people think it's fun in leagues if it came down to pure skill, is because it is a league, it is there as a test to your capability of using a set scheme and rules to beat your opponent in certain games, I personally think if you play the game for fun, there are still hundreds of players out there that like to play random funners, so don't play leagues if this is what you enjoy, although you do have a valid point...

Quote from: HHC on September 09, 2010, 09:15 AMI dont know about you but I feel that many schemes have already degenerated into some kind of chess, in which each and every game has the same set-up and an almost equal way the games develop towards SD. We have altered the maps, added manual placements, basically we've done everything to make this game more predictable under the pretense that it accurately reflects who has more skillzzz, but what we've actually done is taken the fun out of all of it.
Not just Roper and Shopper use custom maps nowadays, but Elite and BnG maps are also tweaked to meet our demands.. to get rid of any possible 'luck'-factors that might take us to a situation that is new to us, to which we are not prepared, to a game that is beyond our personal control. Oh horror!

I can't disagree with you here, because I have noticed the exact same thing, they have more or less the same set-up and an almost equal way that they develop towards SD, but then again, we haven't taken the fun out of it, this is a league remember and it's supposed to be played seriously and competitive, people who don't like that shouldn't play leagues, everyone who knows me can vouch for me here, the way I BnG in leagues, and in funners, are completely different, unless i'm drunk lol, I do think it's fun with extra luck factor, but not in leagues, luck is so much fun, it can give you the biggest laugh even when it happens to you, but if it happens in a serious league game and costs a match you want to win, look at it from this perspective? Some people don't care about losing, some people do, alot of people in this league play with a different style from funners-league matches, and not only that, alot have a completely different attitude also...

Quote from: HHC on September 09, 2010, 09:15 AMIn the meantime we push newbies away with our intricate and abundant houserules and our pro-schemes which have little to nothing to do with what Worms was originally meant to be.
You guys may whine all you want when 'boons' on the T17 forum, as well as Team17 themselves, fail to recognize the superiority of WA and its gametypes, but in all honesty.. it's the WA community itself that is blinded by its own incompetence to keep the game interesting for new and old players alike.

Some people push noobs away yes, we can't make them do any different, I kick noobs if I already have a game setup specifically, but it doesn't bother me because I know whenever I host a random game, and a noob joins (99% of the time it's BnG) not only do I have the patience to teach them the rules, thanks to my skills I can actually attract noobs to BnG, because when people like me, and everyone else in b2b plays BnG, it looks a HELL of a lot more exciting than the TuS/FB/WL style "keep throwing 3s/4s" besides, being a noob nowadays isn't that big a deal anymore, most gamers know that when they play a game for the 1st time, they are a noob, they refer to themself as a noob, so they expect to be kicked a few times, it's the noobs that act like idiots and be disrespectful that get treated like crap, and I don't blame anyone for this... Show me a 1st time player with a nice attitude and alot of time on their hands not only will I teach them the game we are playing, I will give them as much advice tips and tricks about being a WA player, I've told probably over 100 noobs since I started b2b with wormf00d, "yeah gg man, and remember if you see anyone with "b2b" in their name, just tell them I said you could BnG with them " now with this being said, I do see how all the arguing n stuff on these forums could turn some people away...

Quote from: HHC on September 09, 2010, 09:15 AMWhat people want is not some kind of inate chess-game in which the winner is pretty much predetermined (You can tell almost exactly who is going to be in the final of a RR cup or Elite tourney), instead, they want a game that is fun, easily accessible and competitive. In your drive to make this game more skill-based you have also made it dull, predictable and elitist.

Actually in a league like this, the person with the most skill should deserve to win, and I don't blame them for wanting to, and while I really really do respect your opinion, I think you are assuming quite alot here vouching for "people" in order to make something competitive, you have to rule out options that make it less competitive, "luck" in this case is a big big part, too much luck that is usually 1-sided in most games, and you have most people complaining, it's nice to have a little luck, that creates some unexpected moments that doesn't affect the outcome of the game due to players talents, is cool, but having 1, or 2 turns, of bad luck due to a scheme setting, can ruin anywhere between 15 minutes to an hour of someones day, who wouldn't have even bothered losing if it had came down to their own fault...

Quote from: HHC on September 09, 2010, 09:15 AMTeam17 has been the only scheme that kept me playing WA for longer than 2 months. It is the only scheme left that is not totally predictable. It's the fun of being faced with situations that are beyond your control and in which you must try to think of ways to gain benefit, to gain the upper hand. No T17 game is ever the same.. it's like playing chess, but instead the pieces are scattered randomly across the board. This makes for an entirely different game and no matter how you twist it: there's plenty of opportunity for good players to turn the game in their advantage.

This is correct, but I must also point out, even in competitive T17 games, you still don't really get 2 games exactly the same...

Quote from: HHC on September 09, 2010, 09:15 AMTake out the 'overpowered' weapons, the barrels, the random placements, etcetera etcetera and what you are left with is the same inate, dull chess-shit Elite got turned into in the days of ESL.

I agree, I much prefer T17 with superweapons, it's what makes it more fun

a2b Weekly BnG Tournament - Thursday 9th September 6:00pm GMT

In worms channel - #PartyTime

2on2, knockout style.

a2b rules and a2b scheme to be used ONLY.

This week the time will be back to normal, 6pm GMT.

More people should play these Tournaments, alot of fun and laughs, without any hassle and moaning.

Rules are as follows:

# No straight bazooka shots.
# No sitters.
# No repeat shots.

    * If you hit someone for 34 HP or less with a shot, you can't use that same shot again until you have either hit them with a different one, or you or they have moved.
    * If you hit someone for 35 HP or more with a shot, you can't use that same shot again until either you or they have moved.

# No 5 second grenades unless used with low gravity or max bounce
# All shots should be aimed to explode on impact with the opponents worm.
# Re-aim the crosshair between every turn, regardless of whether you landed a hit last turn or not.
# Don't teleport too close to your opponent's worm (try to stay at least half the map away).
# No notching unless you can't help it (ie, your perfect aim is 1 or 2 taps off vertical).
# No telecides (teleporting on your opponent when you have low health in order to inflict grave damage on them).
# No defensive girders, only use girders for bouncing nades.

Good luck and Have fun ! - Remember, you gotta be in it, to win it !

30 seconds for shopper is fine avi, it isn't really a sole rope based scheme, and like Ab said you use the turn time for stragetic moves, such as long distance knocks, being able to get out of a block, if you take away even 5 seconds from this scheme, it would drastically lower the possibilities of skillful moves and opportunitys.

I also agree with chakkman on this...

Quote from: SnipeR` on September 08, 2010, 05:45 PM

Quote from: darKz on September 08, 2010, 05:42 PM
SnipeR, he always says that. Don't paste his stuff here, he's got a forum holiday for a reason.

He told me to write this here 

If he told you to jump off a cliff would you do it?

dilla, check your replay before extracting it, as in watch it, take note of when you want the recording to begin, and then when you want it to stop, for example, a BnG shot, I would start the recording about 1 seconds before the pwoer bar starts, and end it when the damage taken shows, or when the grav blows up, remember and extract the video to a good resolution, I personally extracted it to the resolution I play the game with.

This tutorial will let you know all the basic stuff, and if you don't understand anything, just give me a shout on MSN or something and I will try to explain:

http://worms2d.info/Creating_a_Worms_movie