after you watch the replay, if you have any questions let me know... but im not going to waste my time listing differences, if you cant bother to watch a simple replay.

first of all, if you enjoy roping, and you have not played w2 roping yet, please check the replay i attached.... it was such a good game, and a lot of strategy, i made some mistakes early on in the game, so at the end, i had to play my ass off to try to win...

but i didnt

please check the replay, just watch how the scheme is played, and the level of strategy that is involved in the game... rather then... *collect cr8, attack.... collect cr8, attack... collect cr8, attack...repeat repeat repeat*

the scheme is a rubberworm scheme, so you will need rubberworm to view it.

now, with that said,  there will be a w2 roper league shortly... we already have one ran on www.myleague.com/roper but "myleague" kind of sux... Hulk from w2 has been working on a new website for our w2 roper league. it will be released shortly..

recently about 30+ old school w2ers have came back to w:a because they discovered rubber worm.... and each player has been scanning his old w2 contacts, to talk to some oldies, and see if they are interested in coming back as well... for instance, Raekwon came back just today! hes a good friend, and a legend :DD 

oldsock, aladdin, dibz, and other w:a guys have already signed up for the current league, and all enjoy the scheme... its fast pace, and skilled based...  not really much luck involved, being you make your own choices on what you want to do.. you determine how your game will go.... all though, obviously if you get a cr8 that lands next to your worm for the entire game, your going to have a pretty lucky/easy game... but other than that, there is very little luck.

anyway... i just wanted to let all of W:A know about the league we have in process, and the new league that will be coming soon... its a w2 rope only league.

dont be confused with the w2rope scheme i made in the past...

this scheme is used with rubber worm, to make the rope faster, changed gravity, etc.

please check replay, or better yet, join the league :DD

when the new league is made, ill post a link for anyone who is interested.. thanks.

Walrus, the problem with this is.... we have a free league, newbs are welcome to play it... nobody wants to...


so then there is an idea of divisions.... PROS, and.... wahtever you wanna call the not so pros....

but that only splits up our already small community...

i do agree, we have to attract the newer players some how... but also, is that what we want worms to turn into??? Hysteria, and Shoppa fest in 5 years from now?? because we are only going to cater to the newbs weakness, and not push them to get better??? 

i dont know what the answer is either, and clearly something needs to change, ill agree with that.... but who the hells know what that is... and with people that debate any sign of change, at every turn... it makes it very difficult to ever find a solution

lmao...

"hello, whats your favorite variation of the 3 roper schemes available?"

"well, i love darts...darts is so much fun, more people should play darts"

lol..  komo, TUS seriously would not be the same with out you.

Quote from: HHC on January 30, 2017, 12:03 PM

Contrary to some of the classic league schemes.. like BnG.. WxW.. TTRR. Schemes that are IMO to blame for the dead of TUS. At some point we decided to stick to our old favs and to schemes that clearly benefit the strongest players, rather than embrace the schemes that the vast majority of (noob) players played on wormnet. Like normal, like shopper, like hysteria. If we had slightly adjusted those popular schemes to a league format we'd be way better off right now. IMO.

i agree with you here, to a certain degree...   we might have more players interested in league, but how long would they last for? if we cater to newer players, and make it ok for them to not learn, and master the greatest scheme in the game (roping, and all its variations) then there will be no longevity to those players...

i know komo will come here and say its just my opinion, and him and hundreds of others love bng blah blah blah....

but, im sure 90 out of 100 wormers would agree with me that roping is was really drew them to this game, if it was not for roping, they would not have got so attached to worms, and invested nearly as much time.... sure, after the roping drew them in, they discovered other schemes, and invested time into those to master as well... but roping was the main reason.... i already touched on this a couple pages back, and komo tried to disagree with me, only because he likes to debate...

but before he comes here and says the same old thing.. let me just say, in W:As prime, roping was about the only scheme played... its was by far the most popular scheme.... the more and more we catered to newbs, the less and less popular it came, IMO... and hyst is the death of w:a    i truly believe that.

ok komo, have fun.

ahhh, knew komo would find a debate, even in a worms movie thread!!!

HIS NAME IS WALTER!!!! AND ILL PROVE IT!! WITH FACT, LOGIC, AND DICTIONARY!!

THEWALRUS< NOT EVEN YOU CAN TELL ME OTHERWISE!!

on topic: i was kind of stranded.. pretty far from home, waiting for my ride...   was a bad day.

and was browing tus on my phone to kill time, and you had posted this video... it was literally with in the hour i think... so you posted it at the perfect time, to make my wait a little less tedious.

and for that... i thank you.

i only watched about 1/4 of the video... i did see my special guest appearance with my hehehemonster grave... but might not have been me.. could not read the teams on my little cell phone screen... nino and others used that grave for a while too lol

anyway.. thanks for the nice vid, and good timing... ill watch the rest when i have more time

What's the point to try to break anything down to you for a counter argument? You are so close minded, it would not make a shit of difference...

For instance, you saying you seen it happen where a skilled player killed his worms as starting game strategy in wxw or shoppa...

You know it's not true, we all know it's not true.. but you don't care what's true, you don't care how dumb you look, you don't care about anything, except for. believing in your twisted reality, that you win the "debate"

Another example, you plopping your first worm in hyst is only because your other3 worms have good placement, and has absolutely nothing to do with tele pile.. lol again, we all know the truth, we all know the reality, even you know the truth komo, but you won't admit it... because you will never admit to losing your precious debate...

We can debate about what color the sky is, if one person says it's blue, you will say it's green, then tell everyone it's a matter of opinion, so your still right.

Here's one example that points to hyst being a broken scheme... even the newer players, that use hosting buddy, and host hyst games just for fun, hate tele pile... they will call you lame, cow, etc. If you tele pile...


So now you have both ends of the spectrum saying the scheme is broken, from newb to pro... but you will still argue.. so enjoy yourself, you look dumb. But that's just an opinion

if anyone thought these free league schemes were fun, or a good idea... there would be more people playing them...

if you call the free league "classic league" from now on.. which is pretty much what your suggesting...

and the classic league will be called "free league" lol...

everyone will just play free league.


komo, your useless to argue with.... d1 tells you to give one reason why suicide is a good tactic other than for tele pile...

you say... well heres on reason off the top of my head, because if i have 3 worms in good places... and my starting worm is in a bad place.... i would never think to tele him up to a good place with my other 3, my mind tells me to teleport to water...

well if its such a great tactic, then do that in t17 moron.

then you wanna say shit like... "well people use kamikaze in elite, and suicide their mate in roper" lmao.... c'mon man.... as d1 said, kami is used to an attack on opponent, and generally with the weakest worm you have...  or a skunked worm....  suicides in roper are towards the end of the game, in specific situations, definitely not the starting strategy...

and when all else fails you just go with... "well, its just YOUR opinion if you think its NOT a strategy, because i THINK its a strategy, and i LOVE it, cuz im PASSIONATE about HYSTERIA"

the only reason you think its so great, is because its all you know... you, and at least half of the rest of w:a is so stubborn, and never want anything to change...   you fight any kind of change like its your job....is someone paying you for this?? now im curious...

sensei, who said there is "no cure for roper cr8 rape" ?

theres no cure, because no1 accepts change, komo is always in the threads arguing, and threatening to quit this game forever, and boycott tus is anyone even thinks about changing anything.

very mature style of debate komo.... your sitting here acting as if your just so mature, and debate like a politician, and you appreciate d1's debate, and only get hostile when ppl attack you... f@#! off.. your the worst person here for bullshit posts, and hostile behavior lol just another example of how your living in some other reality.

komo, i gave up... its useless to talk to you... you twist things around, contradict yourself more then anyone i have ever seen, for some reason, you think anything you say is a fact, and everything anyone else says is an opinion.

and to make matters worse, you just really have no sense of reality.

i mean, c'mon.. it took you longer to learn bng, then roper?? no way... not a chance in hell.... roping takes about a year, just to be average.... if you say it took you a year to become average in bng, someone needs to slap you....

i learned roping on w2, which was much harder to learn, so maybe im off on saying it takes a year to get average.... but even still... i would say it takes atleast 6 months on w:a

and thats when you get that roping bug, when you want to desperately to compete with pros, so you spend every waking moment playing roper, and practicing roper, practicing shadows, and spikes... etc..

do you know how many ppl did that???  almost everyone that plays worms...

do you know how many ppl came to w:a found hysteria, or bng, and spent every so much time to learn hyst, or bng??? almost no one....

the fact your comparing the hardest scheme in the league (ttrr) to the dumbest, newbest scheme in the league, and still sit here and will argue with everyone about it just shows you have no sense of reality.... and then you will compare the most strategic game on worms (elite) to hyst.. its like wtf dude??? are you mentally stable??

hyst strategy: kill your worms....  tele pile when you can.... hide when you cant.... games always come down to 1v1 darkside fest, lucky shot wins the game....  yeah.. lets compare that to ttrr, because its tricky to do a LG JP NADE!!! LOL c'mon dude... get a grip

we get it dude.. you like hyst... cool.... i think thats what this debate is about, how much you love hyst.... because you have a passion for worms like none other..


also, as far as the heart beating fast, hands shaking, and going numb.... come on komo, thats just in ttrr....  im not even a big fan of ttrr, and not passionate about ttrr at all.... but when your racing someone better then you, and your about to beat them , but still have about 10 seconds left of the map, and you can beat their time if you just finish with no f@#! ups... its a heart pounding moment....

can you rly compare that to bng, when your in a close game, and your on the edge of your seat while the nade travels through the air for 3 seconds?? lmfao just face reality dude... your in your own world...

no matter how many people tell you that your in some komo land, you still will be here "well thats not fact, thats opinion" 

i think this thread is dead now... as i said, we all understand that komo likes hysteria.. lets move on.

komo, your right.

THANK you for clarifying WHAT you said sometimes i CANT understand....

because you know.. I'm that LARGE part of the community that is DIM.

but WHEN you talk to me WITH cap locks on SPECIFIC words, then i SUDDENLY understand, and REMEMBER how RIGHT you are.

thanks. 

Quote from: lalo on January 27, 2017, 04:01 PM
Stop avi or I will tell all the times you have ever aliased thus cheating in this casual game.
Hysteria is FUN and COMPETITIVE AS MUCH AS TTRR, THIS IS WRITTEN IN THE DICTIONARY, LOOK IT UP YOU ILLITERATE. If you give me any solid argument like you and Gabriel already did I won't listen because Hysteria is FUN,  FUN,  FUN.
Give me my old green, don't beat me with notching, dont say a word if I quit when I am losing, listen to my superior intellect or I'm gone!

lol that reminds me... did anyone notice how in one post, komo said how hysteria was harder for him to learn then bng was???

then in another post, he said bng was harder for him to learn then rope was??

so... to sum things up, hysteria is harder to learn then roping....   and this is the guy that speaks nothing but facts...

1 more thing komo, i said 9 out of 10 old schoolers stuck around because of roping....

you came to me "no, chicken is an oldschooler, and he hates rope"

WRONG: chicken actually does enjoy roping, and even has been improving at rope, and actually can hold his own in rope games (to bad he stopped playing) but for ages, he sucked at rope, so just did not try...

then you said Mablak...

WRONG AGAIN: Mablaks first love was roping, he dedicated more time to perfecting that art then most likely any other wormers, and its payed off... you can not think of rope race legends, or even rope in general, without thinking the name Mablak.

then you said random00

dont know if your right or wrong: but by your track record, your FACT is wrong, im assuming.

so.. just stfu already... we are all sick of your ass.   

did you notice you even argued with the people that said hyst should stay?? you have an illness dude... seek help now.

Komo I know you want to go back and forth, but I'm not going to do this with you...

I think you should be banned from all things league related TBH..

You don't care, you don't play.. and every time there a glimmer of hope something might change that you don't like, you turn into the "give me green or I won't light" child that you are, and say "If this change is made, I'll never play tus again" lol

If I ran this league, your ass would only be able to post in forums like "off topic" and "other games" LMAO...

Let's predict the future... komo will copy and paste the last paragraph then say "but YOU don't run this league, and all i'm doing is presenting FACTS and evidence to back up ALL of my claims, just because you can't handle the facts, and have NO evidence to even try to change my mind does not mean I should be banned"

Did y'all like the emphasized caps on certain words ? Just a little extra komo flair lol

Anyway, komo, I won't debate with you.. but I would like you to go back and read the shit you say...

Do you notice anything anyone says is just opinion? With no evidence.

But your pretend your opinions are facts? It's pretty comical... enjoy your day of breaking down posts into fragments to debate each sentence. (The threads alone don't give you enough to debate, you have to break down each sentence, then type a paragraph on why their opinion is just opinion, and your opinion is fact)

Maybe no one will debate with you the way your starving for, because we are all bored of you by now

lol komo...

i made like 5 valid points on why hyst should not be in classic league, and you disputed each and every one... lol...  your a funny guy.. i think you were too busy wanting to argue, and dispute any little thing you could, that you did not notice i actually said hysteria should not be removed.

do you even care??? or do you just want to dispute things??

i remember when i was eager to get my 'w2roper' scheme accepted at TUS, you were the main person on the forum fighting that it should not be accepted into TUS, and its a horrible scheme, etc. etc etc.

i played it with you about a month ago and you said something like "hey, this is a cool scheme, this should be the roper scheme!" so, you proved yourself you never even tried the scheme, you just wanted to debate, fight, and have your presence known then i asked..."wtf dont you remember you fighting me for many many pages regarding this scheme?"   you had no idea... you just like to argue dude..... gtfo


this thread reminds me, about a year ago or longer, i said hysteria will be the death of w:a ... and my prediction is coming true...

all the new players have no interest in roping, because they can play hyst, and be a pro in a week... then when they find out there is a league for hyst they are all about it!!!

but lets be honest, hyst players will have no longevity...  9 out of 10 old schoolers fell in love with the game, and stayed as long as they have because of roping... and if ground schemes were the only option when they started, chances are they would have left long ago....

so yeah... we can aim this league at newcomers with schemes like hysteria, as you suggest walrus... it wont bring longevity though...   i think hysteria is the death of w:a.. but nothing will change.. this thread is useless, its only serving as another thread for komo to hijack.

here are some reason why it should not be in classic.

1) its not a 'classic' scheme... like roper, shoppa, elite, t17, bng  (imo those are the classic schemes, and others should not be in classic.. but thats just my opinion)
2) it was invented for fun, and a laugh between mates... how it got so popular, and even introduced to league is shocking.
3) there are many flaws in the scheme, that should/could be fixed to make it a better "league" worthy scheme.
4) its the easier scheme to learn, newbs can become pros with in a week.. thats not really "classic" league worthy imo.

here are some reason why it should...

1) it has been in tus classic for far too long to remove it now, and more then half the community enjoys the scheme.

i think that trumps all of the reasons to remove it, imo. (as much as it is painful to say that)

but, i do believe the scheme should be updated.... the scheme was invented for fun, not for league... if thats not convincing enough that the scheme needs to be tweaked to be league worthy, then nothing will... and this is just another classic case of w:a never accepting any change.

nice one Tomi!! that brings back memories :DD

on topic: i think having random w:a videos, nobody really finds them, to see what level we have brought the game to.. not only skill wise, but in development as well (shout out @ deadcode and cybershadow ofc) and all the other people that contributed snoopers, map generators, rubber worm, project x, and more... and ofc all the hundreds of people who made the thousands and thousands of maps we have!!


so anyway... with all that said...

speed runs are pretty popular, and people do look for them, and watch them, on youtube, and i can only imagine there are some websites dedicated just to speed runs in various games...

i am not interested in speed runs at all, but i did watch the Mario64 speed run a while back, just because i played so much of that game years ago... and when i seen the speed run i wanted to check it out... especially after i seen it was done in like.. less then 20 minutes?? dont quote me on that... but then i for sure had to see how it was done.

anyway.. my point is... the reason i wanted to watch the speed run is the nostalgia factor...  and i would imagine that would be the same with W:A...almost everyone played some title from t17 worms.... so when they see speed runs posted for Worms:Armageddon, hopefully the are interested.

so it would be a very good way to get people to see w:a (worms in general) and want to search other videos, and see all the different variations we play, and the skill we have (mainly roping variations, but there are other schemes that were never intended by t17 as well that might peak peoples interest)

i would recommend that whoever makes the video, put some captions in the video, how w:a is still active, and has people still working on updates, still has an active community and leagues... with links to TUS, and maybe some other vidoes, that would be a bit more catchy to watch (like ttrr speed runs)


so, in short...  i agree, i think w:a mission's speed runs will be a good idea not only for competition for anyone who wants to participate, but also for people to view, and hopefully get peoples interest to start playing, or return to w:a.