Ok I'm starting with HHC's idea. Hold your breaths. If you have still any idea in the way, let me know since we're close to the new seasons.

Sounds good.

"make sure to think about what would you do about the current players stats." everyone's overall rating will carry over to start the new system's season, am I correct?

"Had a bad start? You can reset!" do you like this feature for the new system or does it not matter much? is it worth a discussion? I'm not even sure if it's used much now, so I assume either way is not a big deal. I'm not attached to either decision, was just curious if it might cause any problems anywhere (haven't really thought it out much).

have you thought yet about the best way to show results of games? including changes in season rating/overall rating in some way.. in analyzer/recent games/game page.

HHC's alternate plan of using loser's avg of overall/season for the winner's points isn't being implemented, am I correct? it will just be the original idea?

Quote from: MonkeyIsland on February 20, 2011, 06:38 PM
Singles are done. Congratz to me
p.s now I understand why people want their name with huge fonts in the home page

xD

gj, nice elites

it could just be me, but your example is really confusing. I don't understand anything from it.. what framework/system/variables are you using? maybe it makes perfect sense to you, but the way you explained it wasn't clear.

in any case, it still sounds like you prefer Mablak's idea to treat all games the same, no matter when they are played. maybe you two can work together to make a good proposal that suits both your ideas, and in the end, suits TUS.

Quote from: DarkOne on February 16, 2011, 09:36 AM
Well, then why does it matter in which order games are reported?
The answer is that if I play 2 games against someone and I score 1-1, then my rating will be higher if I win the second game.

It sounds like you'd prefer Mablak's idea, which is also a nice idea, just in a different way -> "treating all matches between two opponents with equal importance; your total record against someone for the season is all that should be taken into account."

Quote from: DarkOne on February 16, 2011, 09:36 AM
I don't know what exactly is the rating system, so I can't give any objective numbers, but just pick your last 10 elite results, but then throw in a win against Random at the start and calculate your rating. Then have the same results and put the win against Random at the end instead of the start.
Compare ratings. You will see a big difference.

what was Random's overall at the start? did he go on a huge losing streak? maybe even a huge winning streak? picking one of these.. then what was his overall at the end? these variables affect the points you're awarded/lost. and how was your own performance for those 10 games in between? did you go on a huge losing streak yourself? maybe a huge winning streak? those seasonal variables also affect the points you're awarded/lost.

there's no one answer to your question.. so no, it's not fair to just conclude that "You will see a big difference."

uhh what? it's always about the entire collection of games you've played through the season. you can't ignore all your first games and just look at the last 10 games.. because all those first games put you into that position to play those last 10 games.

as for your example (I'm sure Random loves the attention) -> beating Random in elite at the start of the season -> you say the effect of beating him is entirely lost after about 10-20 games... why? you'd get the appropriate reward of points due to wherever his overall rating is (most likely high) and if he were to go on a big losing streak, then appropriately fewer points will be rewarded to anyone who beats him later. the system accounts for your overall skill fluctuating -> and rewards people correctly due to their performance, however good or however bad.

Quote from: Rok on February 14, 2011, 08:33 PM
One more thing, @HHC, franz et. al.: Either use the overall rating in the seasonal calculations fully (in a way similar like we do it now), or don't use it AT ALL. Fiddling with some magic numbers without any statistical or mathematical background is meh and wrong and all...

uhh what? why such forceful language? you make a strong statement about using overall rating in seasonal calculations fully or NOT AT ALL and you don't back yourself up with any explanations as to why.

you must not fully understand the idea if you describe it as "fiddling with some magic numbers." then you claim we're trying this idea "without any statistical or mathematical background" as if this has never been tried before... -> except it has. there have already been comparisons to WoW's arena rating system, so no.. this isn't foreign territory.

*BUMP*

the TEL playoffs are showing me once again that playoffs still take way too long
TEL playoff thread: https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/leagues-playoffs/tel-s1-crash/

a season lasts 60 days -> 20 days for each playoff round is enough time..
that's nearly 3 weeks to play at most 5 games per round.

January 1st - January 20th: all quarterfinals done by the 20th
January 20th - February 9th: both semifinals done by the 9th
February 9th - February 28th: both final and 3rd done by the 28th

it's February 13th, and you'd think they'd already be at the final, but no..
-> there's still a 1st round matchup that hasn't even come close to finishing (1st game was played today 44 days into the next season)
-> random is stuck at his semifinal spot because this above 1st round isn't finished.
-> crash is lazy again, holding up mablak. they're stuck at their semifinal matchup.


Sorry if I'm the only one bothered by this, but this is too relaxed. people not making the effort should be kicked out earlier. deadlines shouldn't be a mystery date in the future either.. they should be the same every season and strict so that whoever makes the most effort deserves to continue. at least do it for sake of closure -> so that the ultimate winner will be known by all at that strict final deadline at February 28. this way, the next playoff can start fresh. overlapping playoffs that finish at random times makes them feel way too unimportant.

these TEL playoffs are taking too long. it's inspired me to bump my old thread and make more comments about this, so see them there:

https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/leagues-general/poll-playoff-deadlines-worst-playoff-excuses/

https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/complaints/55704-6691/

https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/game-55704/

Quote from: Almog on February 14, 2011, 01:10 AM
.......... ffs I waited 10 mins for you to report it but you just chose to report late.

mods can u please move this game right after 55700 so the points will be right?

Chicken:

Quote from: franz on February 04, 2011, 06:19 PM
having a high overall rating doesn't hurt your own seasonal performance. you're confusing this way with how TUS currently is.. and that's the important difference. there is no 'seasonal disadvantage of getting fewer points from most players' -> you start at 1000 season rating like everyone else and gain/lose points according to other people's overall rating.  so no, you don't have to only stick to playing amongst other high level players -> you're even free to play 'noobs' if you want since losing won't hurt your seasonal rating as much compared to overall rating now and winning gets you more points compared to overall rating now.

Quote from: franz on February 03, 2011, 05:59 AM
The only real benefit of having a high overall ranking at the start of a new season.. is that other high rated players will want to play with you.. so it's kind of an indirect benefit that you attract those other high overall rated players -> giving you a nice boost if winning vs them.  anyway, I guess this isn't all that bad actually.. since you should want to play other high rated players anyway.

And Chick, regarding your comment about "is it hard for a player like zippo, random, dulek to gain points"... the answer is no because there isn't really a handicap for having high overall rating (this has been said many many times now, but worth repeating). is there any reward for having a greater overall you ask?  well, my quote above shows that there is indirect benefit, but it's a healthy benefit because it encourages high level players to play each other. I really don't think it's healthy for the league if someone with huge overall rating easily wins 80 games vs noobs to qualify for something like PO's. they should still have to work for a high seasonal rating, but this should not be hard at all if their true skill level is measured by their overall rating -> because then they should be winning vs great players and getting the appropriate amount of points to reach high in the new standings. so yes, your last line should be accurate -> "with the seasonal points calculation you are likely to see them reaching a playoff spot anyway because of the seasonally points they will gain from making the 50 games and winning % anyway"

Ok, well that's nice of you to not report.

BaNcA7T, be careful, next time might not be so nice for you.

Please try to play the game again without drama.  W:A is a better place when problems like this can be solved outside of complaints with respect for each other. There wasn't even a huge advantage or disadvantage with the placements dienadel85.

In any case, DarkOne is right, you have a right to report this if you want.. but do you really want to? Is the win worth it vs the bad that comes from making him angry?

And r3spect, if you really did have screenlag like you said, you can't automatically assume your opponent will rehost.  You have to ask nicely and realize that screenlags are your fault, so try to handle the situation better next time.

well, without more details, BaNcA7T can't just quit a game whenever he wants, like when lag is involved. if there is lag and there's an agreement with the opponent for replaying the game, that's fine, but BaNcA7T didn't do any of that -> he just left/quit.

Pincopallino, you can report if you want.

New system will start in 20 days at the end of the month.  You can read about the possible new systems discussed here: https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/announcements/write-leagues-system-from-scratch/

all things that you mentioned are already goals to be fixed with the new ideas