darkz, please watch your language... there are other ways to express that team17 does not care about w:a players, rathern then "rats ass"


this is my final warning to you. next step will be deleting your TUS account.



edit: its not surprise this thread went so off topic its to the point of no return... can we just all agre to talk about komo now?

Quote from: avirex on October 22, 2012, 04:06 PM
this thread went so off topic

that's pretty ironical

Quote from: HHC on October 22, 2012, 02:46 PMI don't really know what you can remove though. All the links in the submenu seem pretty logical and self-explanatory.

That is because you already got used to it. It is hard to look at an application or a website with the users' eyes if you are a developer, or look at it with a fresh user's eyes if you are already advanced in it.

1. Im here 24/7 and I have no idea how to navigate around, we need to make intuitive interface.
2. Most of the visitors is guests, and its even harder for them to navigate on site, need page with the most important info (whats tus, schemes) if you are join as guest
3. TUS league1 league2 haltrltelolol geez I have no idea whats all this about yet, those allrounders and all, am I the only one who think its really too much complicated?
4. You talking that players such as pr leave because its life and so on, but pr playing as before, just other games, and its because current league is really boring. So small number of players because its boring! BORING! imo

Quote from: Mablak on October 23, 2012, 02:20 AM
TUS has always been messy to me, I think this is undoubtedly a turnoff for newcomers

Nah, I don't think so, it's very easy to navigate on, look:

(Well, a picture is worth a thousand words  )

Ignoring the girl scouts approach to monitoring the forum, it never works well.  Forum Nazi's like FB just cause trouble, you need a degree of freedom.

I fully agree with Ray, Ropa and Mablak.
When I first saw this website I was so lost it was not funny, the backend is superb!
The frontend is not so great.  It really needs to be simplified.

The more simple something is to understand the more friendly it is to new comers.  Someone who is decent with CSS could quite quickly change the layout and structure of this whole site.
I'm purely talking about first impressions and graphics etc, as for the navigation and that, probably requires more detail.

Never been a fan of drop down menus, but that's just me.  Basic links are always good with a symbolic icon beside it to represent what it is.

Breeze, it's really not that quick of a job.

Drop down menus are used on site where they have a lot of links, which is the case here for sure. By the way Mablak, absolutely agree, I kind of giggled at this:

Quote from: Mablak on October 23, 2012, 02:20 AMFirst of all, there just shouldn't be any moving stuff in the background, it's the kind of stuff you'd expect to see on a do-it-yourself page from the mid-90s.

If you dumb down TuS website, people complain it's boring, if you make it all complicated and interesting, people complain it's too complicated, where is the middle ground?

I personally love it, yeah, it's a LITTLE bit confusing at times, but I like a challenge, and always finding new things is exciting, it's like a beautiful girl you keep finding hidden gems about...

Who wants a plain boring "TuS 4 Dummies"? Is that what you really want?

This is 2012 anyway, people should be computer savvy enough to handle TuS, it's hardly rocket science...

Forums MODS is a good idea, but I honestly think they will abuse their power because some of them can't control their feelings, my honest opinion...

i think deleting post's is absolute bullshit...

either put it in the trash can, or redirect it all to FoS forums, we can sort through all the shit talking and hand out ass kickings when needed.


on a more serious note: komo, noone is saying a new layout has to be boring..  just a more user friendly, and newb welcoming... sure, you find nothing wrong with the site because you lived on TUS for over a year 18 hours a day, 7 days a week... im glad you have found music, and rather then your time and energy going into forum debates, your making music... if you have half the passion in your music that you did in trolling... i predict big things out of you man.. BIG THINGS!! when your big and famous,  maybe you can set up a wormscon for everyone.

but komo, just imagine you being a newb and coming to TUS, it would be totally overwelming... but enough about that, everyone is offering ideas, and saying how bad it is (even monkeyisland admits the layout needs improvement, but its not his area of expertise) but noone is stepping up to the plate...

how bout you ray?? your a webdesign/graphix guy, no?   hook tus up!

Regarding the design, people can design TUS, if they think they have idea to make TUS more friendly. Their design will be added to TUS.

Komo, your words prove how little you know of the field of front-end design. As it was said countless times in this topic already: if you use something regularly, you get used to it. A programmer from 1976 will always look down at Visual Studio because he did all that shit when it was a black screen and a console.

Same on this field, a graphic/UI/UX/front-end designer always has to think with the brain of the user, which is very hard to do by the way.

Avirex: I already offered my help in this topic. I believe my solution, my methods could bring up a good end result, but we either do it my way or no way. MI hasn't responded to me or sent me any messages yet.

Quote from: MonkeyIsland on October 25, 2012, 05:16 AM
Regarding the design, people can design TUS, if they think they have idea to make TUS more friendly. Their design will be added to TUS.

Okay, that is just completely stupid, I'm sorry.

This site needs a complete change of source code and one good graphic, not user submissions. Why is everything user-submissions here? Nevermind, nothing will ever change here, just people will leave and quality will decrease until it's going to be like WWP.

Quote from: Ray on October 25, 2012, 05:27 AM
This site needs a complete change of source code and one good graphic, not user submissions. Why is everything user-submissions here? Nevermind, nothing will ever change here, just people will leave and quality will decrease until it's going to be like WWP.

If by source code, you mean HTML output, yes. Since TUS2, it is possible to have a 100% different output on any part of TUS. From images to HTML tags etc etc...

TUS has changed a lot since its creation, I may have a lot of bad qualities as an admin, but one thing I have shown and that is I'm not afraid of change. However I can't change "user-submissions". I live in a country with total dictatorship and few people who think they are better than anyone and decide for us. Maybe that has exaggerated my point of view but I don't think I'm better than the community and I don't want to be considered as one. I'm one of them. If they need anything I'm here to help.

Quote from: Ray on October 22, 2012, 02:04 PM
See, you have offered us to volunteer, but nothing is organized. If you want something to happen, you, as a leader, have to put a team together. That team would set up a conference, where you talk, discuss and try to find a way to solve the problem. First of course you have to find the problem. But like this, nothing is ever going to change.

If you are willing to do that, I'm offering you my help. But save the "what do you want community?" threads then. Put together a team of volunteers who know what to do and discuss with them, on Skype or whatever, what is to be done and then execute that. I am willing to help and be part of that.

Why a volunteer must need so much preparations before starting?

DarkOne is an example of volunteer work. I didn't even know the guy before and yet out of nowhere he popped on TUS and start making thing better. I'm a total newbie comparing to him, yet he started working on a website done by someone so much lower than him, also a website with so much criticism at the time he started.
THeDoGG is an example of volunteer work. He opened up his Photoshop and gave me illustrations of his design. Then he asked for TUS files to edit to suit his own design.
Xray99 was an example of volunteer work. Many of the things on TUS league, the way it looks and handles things are inspired by him.

It has been 4 years that TUS is using the same design concept. Its pro/cons are known to everybody. If you think you have the answer to a better design, great, but it would be only you, because there's nobody else interested in design to team you up with. No one has offered me any help since. There are many people whining of the current designs, but almost all of them don't wanna get bothered with or doesn't have the skill.

As mentioned by people, TUS is suffering from the design concept, mostly the way links are shown and create confusions. If someone has a solution, all it takes is to show us some image that how things/elements on TUS must get arranged. That must be done NOT by removing some major links. For example "Maps" is pointing to map database, you can't ease the design by removing maps link.

There's no need to go for the full design with codes and stuff at first. If a new design is done and that is what people use the most, it will become TUS's default design.

Quote from: MonkeyIsland on October 25, 2012, 06:38 AM
Xray99 was an example of volunteer work. Many of the things on TUS league, the way it looks and handles things are inspired by him.

Well, then here's me praying another volunteer of his stature doesn't pop up anytime soon, since it appears you've made a rule out of accepting everything coming from a volunteer's craft house.


You don't need an artist to rank main page links in order of average clicks and then placing the bottom half in a more convenient space (out of my f@#!ing face we don't click that shit stop forcing us to stare at it).

The problem is, you don't want anything to do with design. You don't ask yourself any design questions when you release a feature or when you're working on it. Your only design rule is the more the better and that has brought up here. Keep blaming it on the lack of volunteers, but let's face it, this works on the basis of YOUR priorities, not the community's, and I'm pretty pissed of hearing otherwise because I'm not sure how in hell you believe I'll ever buy into that. People have been complaining about the design and structure of this website since basically the first two months, it's 4 years laters you're only talking about it or actually asking for public volunteer work, I've heard it since day one, "TUS, the league for newbies, not even operable by newbies".

So here's my master advice: stop doing shit just because you can.

Because good design is a synonym of progress.

whoa.... ray, your the new f@#!ing drama queen...


that was sick and tasteless...


your only helping if everything is done how you want it, and what you say goes, and its all or nothing... gtfo

TUS NO WANT YOU BLOODCLOT HELP THAN MON!