correct you if your wrong, ok...

I made that point, not senator.

everything else is more then correct i believe...  the rules are pretty open ended, so i can see where there is confusion to an extent... but the main rule in roper is crate before attack, and i think we can all agree to that. So im just not sure why anyone would think w2w trumps cba.

anyway, what your saying is my cba turn was not a cow.... what about my second turn? i failed to touch wall (not on purpose) and then i took a penalty of a skipped turn (i even did a w2w for good sportsmanship) is that a fair penalty?? you ok with that?? stylez suggested that i damage my worm.

if your ok with that, then the win is good. gg

Can't believe how I, and many people, have been apparently wrong for so many years 

even in wwp, w2w always took precedence over cba if sudden death was on.

"even in wwp" lol

rU, who are the many people? you and stylez??

majority have sided with crate before attack is always accepted.

you still have not answered the question of what happens when no crate falls, but sudden death has not been officially announced, or as you like to say "the gong has not sounded" ?? what should happen then?? it it just your lucky day?

Quote from: avirex on May 13, 2015, 12:53 PM
"even in wwp" lol

rU, who are the many people? you and stylez??

majority have sided with crate before attack is always accepted.

you still have not answered the question of what happens when no crate falls, but sudden death has not been officially announced, or as you like to say "the gong has not sounded" ?? what should happen then?? it it just your lucky day?

Majority? just three cats posting in tus forums lol.

Forget about the gong lol, I know what you mean. Senator corrected it well ... no crate spawns in your turn, go for the walls lol. Simple.

Anyway I can't be assed anymore, too many changes here, this is never going to get solid after 7 years. I don't enjoy playing tus anymore anyway, people just try to find loopholes and take shit too serious. I will stick to funners in wormnet, as any pedestrian   good luck with your league and your new rules.

Quote from: rU` on May 13, 2015, 12:45 PM
Can't believe how I, and many people, have been apparently wrong for so many years 

even in wwp, w2w always took precedence over cba if sudden death was on.

Many people? Like who lol? I also played WWP for a few years when it was 1st released, I was even voted best Roper on WWP in Plutonics league and still I never heard of anyone using the w2w rule if crates were available, or were you trying to use WWP as an example hoping that no one here ever played it lol?

Anyway, regardless of the past, what is more important is how you feel presently.

Which would you pick:

1) When SD begins, w2w should be followed regardless.

2) When SD begins, if crates are available you must follow CBA.

3) When SD begins, If crates are available the player has the choice to CBA or w2w.

Presonally, I would vote for #3.

alright I've spoken to some wormers, retired and not retired. Things happens to be like this:

Since some time ago, CBA took precedence over w2w if sudden death comes and there are still crates around.

Retired wormers told me that W2W always took precedence over cba, as they aren't aware of what's been happening in the past years.

I've also been on and off, (more off than on) so I wasn't either aware that the rules changed.

So the problem finally is, this rule didn't spread and then arguments like this comes up.

Definitely, the rules need to be rewritten and specify every case lol.

rU who exactly told you that w2w always took precedence over CBA, and how reliable are they? Do they have evidence? I know it doesn't really matter if it's true or not but as a passionate player of this game I am very curious.

I've played WA very actively since June 12th 1999, I remember my 1st game as if it were yesterday, I participated in many League Ropers since WACL and i've never experienced this, I certainly do not remember it being in any rulebook, perhaps it is possible it was an unwritten rule for some players? Would the WACL rules still be up somewhere, maybe that way back machine thing?

It doesn't even logically make sense which is why I can't understand why anyone would say it used to be like this, however back in 1999-2003 maps weren't as evil as they are now they were quite simple and most games would never reach SD.

im kind of curious too.. lol.. why say "i spoke to some retired wormers" and not offer names??

i agree with komo, it really does not logically make sense.... the reason being is, "crate before attack" is the number one rule of roper, and i do not think anyone can argue that.

@komo: lets leave the "which would you pick" debate to the "update schemes" thread please...  i spoke to some retired wormers, and they agree that the TUS rules are in desperate need of updating!! but this is not the place for that.

@MI: if you have no issues with my last turn cow, and the penalty i chose to take, the win is legit, and this thread can be locked.

I do recall that CBA is always prioritized in older leagues, TUS seems to be the first league that created this "instead" of CBA w2w. That's why I was also confused to see the rule in the first place. We need a change log where we can see when, who and most importantly why the rules got changed.

Obviously, under current rules I'd still say avirex turn was a cow because it seems to be replacing CBA once SD hits.

@avirex, the penalty you took for the cow, is legit. Game stands.

You can continue the debate on the scheme updates thread.