TT Big RR #3

Whatever you're a loss of time

Quote from: Sbaffo on February 06, 2016, 09:09 AM
Whatever you're a loss of time

Why, because I think you're a cheater lol? You are the one with an unfair advantage not me lol...

I've been playing WA since 1999, when people didn't do that kinda stuff, people had to practise for such a long time to master the 1 spacebar roping, 2 or more spacebars is just a lazy and unfair way of learning this faster and with advantage.

Adding ANY kind of extra advantage is cheating as far as i'm concerned, and 2 spaces IS without a doubt an advantage, especially in TTRR where it's all tight.

Like, in Formula One they have speed restrictions so it's fair for everyone, I feel like 2 spacebars is like breaking that restriction in a competitive enviroment.

It's ridiculous it's even allowed.

I highly doubt when they were making the Worms series they had people using multiple spacebars in mind...

The ONLY reason i've ever heard of, why 2 spacebars should be allowed is because a few keyboards with 2 spacebars exist out there somewhere, not good enough...


Oh and:

Quote from: Sbaffo on February 06, 2016, 07:30 AM
Komo anyone can use fr with 2 spaces but it requires skillz too. It's not about advantage, i feel more comfortable with 2 spaces, so why shouldn't i use them?

Using 2 spacebars doesn't require as much skill and time as learning to use 1.

I'll explain why you're a loss of time

EVERY ttrr player knows that ARROWS are more important than spaces, the advantage comes from there. I've been using 2 spaces for at least 4 years, and realized recently that it doesn't matter how much you tap because arrows makes the real difference, as a veteran you should know that, or you've never known it as you've never been good enough at this scheme? This is what i always recommened to anyone asked me to get better with rope. There are thousands of players that use 2 spaces but not many know HOW to use them. Also have you noticed that most of the top rr players use 1 finger? I'd accept this kind of reprimand only if you were good enough at ttrr.

There are only opinions that has been stated so far. In order to end this debate, proof accompanied with facts needs to be documented and  be brought forward. Otherwise, we will be trapped in an endless circle of disagreement

Someone eligible should put this task to the test. Is FR a cheat or not? Is it harder or easy to learn it? Should it be encouraged? Even allowed in league?
I am glad this with Runaway is settled, now let's finish this debate once and for all.

Quote from: Sbaffo on February 06, 2016, 09:51 AM
EVERY ttrr player knows that ARROWS are more important than spaces, the advantage comes from there.

No, every good ROPER knows arrows are more important than spaces, but that isn't what my point is.

Learning how to control Rope with arrows isn't an advantage when every single keyboard has arrows, not every single keyboard has multiple arrows.

This is why 2 or more spacebars is an advantage because not all keyboards have them and not every person knows about keychangers etc.

I told you this assuming you knew what the word advantage means, but apparently you didn't...

Quote from: Sbaffo on February 06, 2016, 09:51 AM
I've been using 2 spaces for at least 4 years, and realized recently that it doesn't matter how much you tap because arrows makes the real difference, as a veteran you should know that, or you've never known it as you've never been good enough at this scheme?

So you've been cheating for at least 4 years, k...................

True, arrows make the real difference, but I would guess if you took 100 people and trained 50 with FR/Multiple spaces and 50 with Single spacebar no FR, the FR/Multiple spacebars would be better.

Quote from: Sbaffo on February 06, 2016, 09:51 AM
This is what i always recommened to anyone asked me to get better with rope. There are thousands of players that use 2 spaces but not many know HOW to use them.

So you recommend people should cheat instead of learning how to play normally? That's lame...

Quote from: Sbaffo on February 06, 2016, 09:51 AM
Also have you noticed that most of the top rr players use 1 finger? I'd accept this kind of reprimand only if you were good enough at ttrr.

The top players in any scheme are the top players because they have the most passion for the scheme, and have practised more, regardless of technique, with the exception imo of Anubis in Warmer because he's a cheater/modder and admitted it, which is why I don't consider him the best.

Also, this has nothing to do with my skill, or yours, at TTRR, I consider myself a very experienced Roper, but TTRR is just not a scheme I enjoy as much so I don't practise it to the extent that you do.

Quote from: Kradie on February 06, 2016, 10:43 AM
Someone eligible should put this task to the test. Is FR a cheat or not? Is it harder or easy to learn it? Should it be encouraged? Even allowed in league?

It's irrelevant, you can't detect it which is why people get away cheating this way

Komo is right about it being an advantage, otherwise why would people do it?  They wouldn't.  Everyone would try it, and then stop using it.  Lets just get that part in our collective heads, it IS something that gives a player the edge.

The extent of how much an advantage it is, is up for interpretation.  I'd say only a slight advantage, and nothing game breaking.  No different then the macros people use for hysteria, I've noticed it has been rampant since I came back to worms in 2011.  TUS has looked the other way on that, and should certainly look the other way on this. 

If this sort of thing should be outlawed, the ship sailed on that 6-7 years ago.  It's been around for so long its part of worms now, if you guys haven't noticed this community is resistant to change of any kind.

We are all kind of professional (cyber)athletes here. We are taking any possible advantage to win. FR, kb mods, remapping - its all like a steroids and shit in real life sports. Non-TUS ropers dont play for money, points or anything, they dont need to take steroids, they are "clean" sportsmen. They are like amaterur atletes. Pros and amateurs...  different leagues that shouldnt be mixed. If a "clean" sportsman can beat "dirty" one - fame to him. But he should be aware who he gonna compete with.

Komo wanna play bo/15 roper? I'll film my self while playing with 1 spacebar then to prove that you're wrong

Quote from: Sbaffo on February 06, 2016, 11:31 AM
Komo wanna play bo/15 roper? I'll film my self while playing with 1 spacebar then to prove that you're wrong

Prove me wrong about what?

And what is Bo15 Roper gonna prove?

You play Roper A LOT more than I do, so obviously you are gonna be warmer than me, maybe play someone who has played a lot of Roper recently?

It's not a very clever idea tbh... I don't understand what your point is either...

Double space is not a problem in this game. Problem is that ppl will always look for smth just to give them edge above others. Especially in roping.

Let's talk about offline challenges. Couple of days ago, 1 wormer sent me his TT Big RR replay with time of 240 sec, and asked me can I see he's using cheat by naked eye. Ofc, I couldn't see it.. Asked him: what's the catch? How can you have time of 240 sec, when I know your best time should be between 300-350. Then he told me he used program that can slow down the pace of the game and help you rope without mistakes whole turn. He was playing on 40% speed, but in the replay - it was looking like every other normal turn.
Only guys like StepS, CS, Deadcode.. could see that's not legit.

I know best times in challies are done by ppl that proved theirselves as best ropers over the years, in million online games.. But, only the thought there is possibility to get even better just with turning on that "cheat" is what makes me angry.

So.. yeah.. there's million ways to pretend you're better then you really are, and I, personally, have pitty for that ppl. But it obviously can't be stopped. Double space is nothing compared to other stuff there. At least - nothing to worry about...

Okay because I'm only guy using one space my time is clearly the best, I'll take gold please.
Also komo play me bo 9000 bng and I'll beat you one game .

I dom't play roper often, it's my worst roping scheme, i wanna prove you're totally wrong about the advantage shit. If i've been "cheating" all these years then i shouldn't be able to beat a veteran like you.

Quote from: Sbaffo on February 06, 2016, 12:14 PM
I dom't play roper often, it's my worst roping scheme, i wanna prove you're totally wrong about the advantage shit.

Sbaffo, you still aren't fully grasping the point I am making...

I said it's an advantage, I didn't say it was beatable or unbeatable...

People can have advantage in life like have rich parents, but still live a crap life...

Plus I am talking about Roping in general, not just 1 scheme.

Quote from: Sbaffo on February 06, 2016, 12:14 PM
If i've been "cheating" all these years then i shouldn't be able to beat a veteran like you.

If you win or if you lose doesn't prove anything lol, Phil Taylor is the greatest Darts player of all time but Gary Anderson beat him to win Championship...

And cheating doesn't automatically mean you never lose lol, people can cheat and still suck, but it's still cheating

I knew i shouldn't have argued with you, you're just making so many fuss. Bye.

Quote from: Komito on February 06, 2016, 01:00 PM
People can have advantage in life like have rich parents, but still live a crap life...

Plus I am talking about Roping in general, not just 1 scheme.

Lold