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Name: Freestyle Focus - Freestyle Focus #1
Type: Public
Game type: 1vs1
Created: September 30, 2023, 04:27 PM

Cup scheme(s): scheme Rubber Warmer
Click on the book to download the scheme. Click on the scheme name to view the scheme page.

Signups time: September 30, 2023, 04:30 PM

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Description:
Freestyle Focus:

The art of freestyle roping was once the most popular and admired skill in the history of the game.

Warmers were a place where like minded individuals could hang out all night and show off their physical prowess with the rope while having interesting conversations and making life long friends.

We're bringing Warmer back!


Signups:

This Cup is invite only, limited to 8 players.

However, it is still Public, which means anyone good enough can enter!

This is an event for the best of the best, you need to prove you can rope at a high enough level in order to compete in this event.

If you do not meet a certain level of skill, you will not be accepted and will be removed from the Signups list.

However the good news is this event is planned to happen often in the future so you can always improve and compete next time if you are not good enough yet.

The Cup will start once there are 8 players who have passed the skill criteria.


Rules:

The entire Cup will use 1 map:

Oldschool Hangout | https://www.tus-wa.com/maps/map-17277/



In each match both players get 2x 60 second turns to warm up, then 1x 60 seconds to do their best roping and impress the judges!

The Cup scheme features Rubberworm, so you can focus on getting the best stretch of roping you can even if you make a few mistakes along the way.

There will be 3 judges, myself and 2 others to be decided, 2 other people I can trust to judge fairly. If not I'll do it myself.

There are 2 ways each match will be judged:

  • The match will be streamed live with all 3 judges with a decision made there and then.
  • The match will be streamed live by myself then discussed after by all 3 judges via Discord, then the winner can report after the decision.


Live Streams:

It will be mandatory that ALL matches will be scheduled in advance and streamed at https://www.twitch.tv/WormsArmageddonCWA

If you are interested in competitive matches for Worms Armageddon, join our Discord where we're focused on all aspects of competitive WA:

-----> CLICK HERE TO JOIN OUR DISCORD - Competitive Worms Armageddon <-----


Deadlines:

There will be deadlines set for each stage, there will be no extensions.

Group Stage - 4 weeks
Playoffs Semi Finals - 2 weeks
Playoffs Final - 2 weeks

It is each players responsibility to organize their matches before the deadline.

Organizing your matches within the official Cup thread takes priority over all other forms of communication with your opponent when judging who will proceed due to unfinished matches.

Though players can organize their matches outside of TUS if they wish.


Prize Pool:

1st - £20

2nd - £10

3rd - £5


ALL PRIZES ARE PAID VIA PAYPAL OR STEAM GAME GIFT UP TO THE VALUE OF THE PRIZE MONEY


Scheme:

Rubber Warmer | https://www.tus-wa.com/schemes/scheme-5317/


Map:

Oldschool Hangout | https://www.tus-wa.com/maps/map-17277/



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Offline TheKomodo

Re: Cup #1217, Freestyle Focus
« Reply #45 on: October 19, 2023, 02:26 PM »
If you believe that's what noob means, then that's what it means to YOU. Belief is a powerful thing... Even if what you believe isn't true to other people, or what actual words mean, the sheer fact that you genuinely believe it, has a real effect on your life.

At least Kradie is saying it's his opinion, because the literal truth is different from his opinion. Though if that's what he believes, then when he sees others use this word, or someone says it to him, or he says it to someone else, then it's highly likely that it will come with depreciative intent.

Though, flashR and FoxHound are literally wrong and there is proof. They are writing it as if the word is inherently depreciative, it's not.

Have you looked up what it means in a dictionary? "Noob" has literally been added to several English dictionaries and it is not malicious at all. It literally trantlates to "Newcomer" or "Newbie", and if you look up "Newbie" that translates to "Newcomer".

A few of them do acknowledge that it can be used slangly in a disparaging manner, though it's still not inherent, it entirely depends on the context of the person using it.

Now, I'm not oblivious to the fact that there ARE people who use the term "noob" in a depreciative manner, but that part is subjective to the person using it, not the literal meaning of the word itself.

The problem is when you push your own beliefs onto everyone else, not realizing that the word has innocence to it as well. Therefore turning something positive into something negative with ignorance.

It's ridiculous to blame the word "noob" when it's not the word that's the problem, it's the way people use it... There are limitless ways to offend someone in a way that mocks their level of skill. To focus on that one word is ridiculous.

You're trying to ban a word due to personal feelings.

It's like saying "He pushed me, pushing is bad!", where it's not the action of pushing which is bad, it's the person with their malicious intent to harm or annoy the other person that is "bad". We push things every day in useful and good ways... Like pushing buttons for example when writing this message.

So, all in all, if you are not comfortable with the word "noob", then that's your problem, not mine. I will continue to use it because it's a perfectly good word and like the way it looks and sounds when saying it. :P



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Offline vesuvio

Re: Cup #1217, Freestyle Focus
« Reply #46 on: October 19, 2023, 04:10 PM »
because u all noobs agaist komodo playen bng !
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Offline TheKomodo

Re: Cup #1217, Freestyle Focus
« Reply #47 on: October 19, 2023, 04:23 PM »
Also, if you have a problem with the word noob, then go attack the NNN community! :D

(Don't actually attack them, they are nice people)
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Offline vesuvio

Re: Cup #1217, Freestyle Focus
« Reply #48 on: October 19, 2023, 04:32 PM »
in fact u so silly... we need MORE newbs to alive this game ! newbs are importnant stuff .
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Offline TheKomodo

Re: Cup #1217, Freestyle Focus
« Reply #49 on: October 19, 2023, 04:50 PM »
I like noobs though lol, I've spent a lot of my time in this game teaching, offering help and advice...

If I hosted games on WormNET, casual games like Hysteria, Big RR, Warmer etc... I mostly always take the time to ask if they know how to play, if not then give them an explanation.

I even have a macro for when players join with previous incompatible versions of the game!

So yeah, just like the human race needs to teach their young in order for the human race to thrive and keep living... Us experience players need to guide and teach new players, show them what is possible, but let them make the choice which schemes and skills to pursue.

Though this isn't a funner and it's not a casual game, it's a competitive environment specifically designed to cater to the best players... Stuff like this isn't suitable for noobs, they need to practise first and reach a higher level of skill in order to compete with those who have spent years honing their skills.
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Offline Kradie

Re: Cup #1217, Freestyle Focus
« Reply #50 on: October 19, 2023, 07:58 PM »
Oh just for the record I don't want to ban the word noob. If you start to ban things you don't like then we would start to head down a slippery slope. Be mindful on how you express yourself and take responsibility of the words you use and how you use them. as well the repercussions that may follow your action.
« Last Edit: October 19, 2023, 08:12 PM by Kradie »
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Offline flashR

Re: Cup #1217, Freestyle Focus
« Reply #51 on: October 19, 2023, 08:58 PM »
Quote from: TheKomodo on October 19, 2023, 01:04 AM
Of course, why shouldn't I take it literally? Are you suggesting your words are sarcastic? Or exaggerated?

If you are deliberately speaking with sarcasm, or exaggeration, or any other form of meaning other than literal, then you need to specify that, otherwise I will take your words literal by dictionary definition.

Man, are you serious? Do you really take all the words literally? Don't you understand sarcasm or exaggeration? In real life, do you also ask for warnings about sarcasm in advance? This is very strange if so. Tbh I spoke without sarcasm or exaggeration. Often there is something more hidden behind the words, and I'm surprised if you don't understand this.

There are people who can not (or don't want) see/feel the general line of a dialogue, but they perfectly cavil to every single word. I don't want to offend you, but you look like that kind of person in my mind. I will try to explain this point of view next.

Quote from: TheKomodo on October 19, 2023, 01:04 AM
I mean, for me it's very simple, I'm not sure about you though.

In general, I believe that the whole world is very complex and diversified, and it would be weird to say that everything is simple.

Quote from: TheKomodo on October 19, 2023, 01:04 AM
Sorry but you literally did say that

A perfect example of caviling and taking words out of context. Yes, I said so, but I was talking about the culture of freestyling and atmosphere of the Warmer. And yes, there are no noobs here, simply because, as I said before, if you've came to FREESTYLE, then you at least have basic skills. If you have a basic skills, you can't be called a noob objectively (unless there is a goal to insult and humiliate). In addition, the word FREESTYLE itself suggests that a person can move FREELY and has STYLE. A noob can't move freely and can't be stylish (if we're not talking about fashion style ofc :D), because of lacks of skills. This is a special note for you, because I see that you love dictionaries.

Anyway, DON'T label anyone a noob, even if YOU THINK that he/she is a noob! I have already listed the reasons several times.

Quote from: TheKomodo on October 19, 2023, 02:26 PM
At least Kradie is saying it's his opinion, because the literal truth is different from his opinion.

This is what I really like...  ;D I have finally met the only person in the world who can see THE LITERAL TRUTH. Sorry for the joke, but it looks like you are exalted, the sensei of all humanity.

Quote from: TheKomodo on October 19, 2023, 01:04 AM
In my head I know it's a great idea the way I vision it, the problem is we have less than 0.5% of players interested in Warmers as we used to 20 years ago...

Man, your reaction to healthy criticism is really weird. Let me try to explain from the other side. As simple as possible. Look, just imagine that you are a marketer, and I am a customer of your product (by the way, this is a very close comparison to truth, because you are the organizer and I wanted to participate in this event). There were a moments that confused me and I've gave a healthy criticism and left feedback. Instead of thinking about it and accepting this feedback, you've started to argue and tried to prove that I was wrong. But I don't need it, because:

1. I leaved this feedback not for arguing.
2. I know that I'm right and please don't try to force your opinion on me.

I just noted a POSSIBLE reasons that could affect the success of the event.

Just imagine, the customer have bought the product. He didn’t like something and left a negative review on the website. Then the marketer came there and began to convince him that he was wrong, the product was the best in the world, and the customer was a moron generally. How do you think this is a healthy reaction? How will this reaction affect sales? Just think about it with a "cold head".

Quote from: TheKomodo on October 19, 2023, 02:26 PM
In my head I know it's a great idea the way I vision it, the problem is we have less than 0.5% of players interested in Warmers as we used to 20 years ago...

You need to understand a few things here:

1. "Nowadays" and "20 years ago" - are the different things. Approaches that worked 20 years ago may not work now, and vice versa.
2. Customers doesn't care about thoughts in the head of a marketer. They only needs a good and high-quality product/service. I don't want to say that I don't care about your thoughts of a successful event. This is wrong! But in this situation I more act as a customer, let's be honest, with a good intentions.

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Perhaps I spoke a bit offensive somewhere, sorry if so. But the truth shouldn't be offensive. Right? Do your own business as you want and good luck with that.
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Offline TheKomodo

Re: Cup #1217, Freestyle Focus
« Reply #52 on: October 19, 2023, 09:46 PM »
Quote from: flashR on October 19, 2023, 08:58 PM
Man, are you serious? Do you really take all the words literally? Don't you understand sarcasm or exaggeration? In real life, do you also ask for warnings about sarcasm in advance? This is very strange if so. Tbh I spoke without sarcasm or exaggeration. Often there is something more hidden behind the words, and I'm surprised if you don't understand this.

First off, yes, I am serious. How many times do I have to say this before you actually get it? It's a very simple concept to understand...

Yes, of course I understand sarcasm and exaggeration, though there are usually cues and signs which indicate when a person is being sarcastic or exaggerating.

My replies to you have been about the way YOU wrote your words.

There was no "lol" or " :D " or any other indication that you were joking or exeggerating, or being sarcastic...

This all started because YOU said there shouldn't be such "strict rules" which then escalated to YOU having a problem with the word "noob"...

You came in here preaching about what Warmer should and shouldn't be, and I disagree with you.

The whole point WAS to have strict rules! To be for the best of the best! To have anything else would defeat the entire point of this event... This is where your overwhelming sense of entitlement kicked in when I disagreed with you on this.

Even if you don't like using the word noob, this is a Cup on TUS, it isn't a funner... If you don't like the conditions, then don't take part...

This event was SPECIFICALLY advertised as wanting top tier players to parcitipate, not noobs.

Whether it's subjective or objective doesn't matter, TUS Cups are hosted with the creators vision in mind.

If you don't like it, that's fine, you can tell me it's the worst idea in the world, THAT'S FINE! :D

You can give me suggestions! Though you cannot tell me how to run my own event.


Quote from: flashR on October 19, 2023, 08:58 PM
In general, I believe that the whole world is very complex and diversified, and it would be weird to say that everything is simple.

Yeah, that has nothing to do with this...

We are talking about a specific event hosted in a specific way, we're not talking about the entire world.

You're grasping at straws here and taking it out of context.

Quote from: flashR on October 19, 2023, 08:58 PM
A perfect example of caviling and taking words out of context. Yes, I said so, but I was talking about the culture of freestyling and atmosphere of the Warmer. And yes, there are no noobs here, simply because, as I said before, if you've came to FREESTYLE, then you at least have basic skills. If you have a basic skills, you can't be called a noob objectively (unless there is a goal to insult and humiliate). In addition, the word FREESTYLE itself suggests that a person can move FREELY and has STYLE. A noob can't move freely and can't be stylish (if we're not talking about fashion style ofc :D), because of lacks of skills. This is a special note for you, because I see that you love dictionaries.

Well, the base definition of freestyling means to "improvise".

Though, there are absolutely noobs in Warmers, and everything else in life, both objectively and subjectively. To believe there is not is delusional ignorance.

Quote from: flashR on October 19, 2023, 08:58 PM
Anyway, DON'T label anyone a noob, even if YOU THINK that he/she is a noob! I have already listed the reasons several times.

Ok, now you're being ridiculously entitled.

I'll call whoever I want a noob if they are a noob.

Quote from: flashR on October 19, 2023, 08:58 PM
Man, your reaction to healthy criticism is really weird. Let me try to explain from the other side. As simple as possible. Look, just imagine that you are a marketer, and I am a customer of your product (by the way, this is a very close comparison to truth, because you are the organizer and I wanted to participate in this event). There were a moments that confused me and I've gave a healthy criticism and left feedback. Instead of thinking about it and accepting this feedback, you've started to argue and tried to prove that I was wrong. But I don't need it, because:

1. I leaved this feedback not for arguing.
2. I know that I'm right and please don't try to force your opinion on me.

Healthy??? :D

You're the one attacking!

You said I shouldn't have made "strict rules" in the beginningso I justified why I should. In my eyes the whole event would be useless without these strict rules.

Then you got offended at the word "noob", you started saying that using this word is bad, when literally it's not a bad thing unless you want it to be.

I'm defending myself here, I'm justifying why I want to host the Cup expecting top tier players.

I will continue to defend until you either give up or accept that I'm not going to think about things the same way as you are and move on.

Quote from: flashR on October 19, 2023, 08:58 PM
I just noted a POSSIBLE reasons that could affect the success of the event.

I knew from the very moment I hosted it, that it had a very small chance of success, this is not a surprise to me.

You're trying to tell me things that I already know lol...

You haven't stopped to realize that, I just don't care! :D

If I cannot host this event, the way I want to, then it's not worth my time anyway...

Though, maybe YOU can host a Warmer event, and allow noobs, maybe it'll be popular!

Me personally... I'd be bored out of my mind if I were to tune into professional freestyle skating events and see absolute noobs constantly fail...

Quote from: flashR on October 19, 2023, 08:58 PM
Just imagine, the customer have bought the product. He didn’t like something and left a negative review on the website. Then the marketer came there and began to convince him that he was wrong, the product was the best in the world, and the customer was a moron generally. How do you think this is a healthy reaction? How will this reaction affect sales? Just think about it with a "cold head".

We're not talking about an official product that I am selling... I'd have to go through health & safety measures, and whatever other legal stuff in order not to get sued...

This is a video game, more specifically an event where I personally get to decide the rules and if people don't like it, they simply don't play, that's literally it...

I am within my rights to tell you that your "review" is absolute nonsense! :D

What is wrong with you? :D

Quote from: flashR on October 19, 2023, 08:58 PM
You need to understand a few things here:

1. "Nowadays" and "20 years ago" - are the different things. Approaches that worked 20 years ago may not work now, and vice versa.

You're stating the obvious, I'm well aware of this! :D

Quote from: flashR on October 19, 2023, 08:58 PM
Perhaps I spoke a bit offensive somewhere, sorry if so. But the truth shouldn't be offensive. Right? Do your own business as you want and good luck with that.

Nah, not at all, I get the feeling you're offended by the word "noob", though other than that, it's just another day for me lol.
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Offline Sensei

Re: Cup #1217, Freestyle Focus
« Reply #53 on: October 19, 2023, 11:04 PM »
Hope I'll be around for your 20000. post on TUS, Komo!
You're bringing too much energy in here, haha
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Offline flashR

Re: Cup #1217, Freestyle Focus
« Reply #54 on: October 20, 2023, 01:27 AM »
Quote from: TheKomodo on October 19, 2023, 09:46 PM
This all started because YOU said there shouldn't be such "strict rules" which then escalated to YOU having a problem with the word "noob"...

Dude, you're really delusional. I have no problems at all, because I'm just a "customer" here. YOU have a problems here as an organizer, because your event is unpopular. And I was just trying to help by noting some recommendations and feedback.

In addition, I even said here that I'm a noob and I'm fine with that.  :D Personally, this word doesn’t trigger me.

Quote from: TheKomodo on October 19, 2023, 09:46 PM
You came in here preaching about what Warmer should and shouldn't be, and I disagree with you.

The whole point WAS to have strict rules! To be for the best of the best! To have anything else would defeat the entire point of this event... This is where your overwhelming sense of entitlement kicked in when I disagreed with you on this.

There's pure lie. Whether it was intentional or not, I don’t even know. "Preaching", "overwhelming sense of entitlement" - these are all wrong words. I explained my concept in as much details as possible: I am the customer, who just put a little review. You're the organizer, who can or can not accept that. The rest is your imagination.

Quote from: TheKomodo on October 19, 2023, 09:46 PM
You can give me suggestions! Though you cannot tell me how to run my own event.

That's actually what I did, – I gave some suggestions here. Besides I told you 2 times that it's your business and you can do it as you want. Looks like two times is not enough, do you need a third time?

Quote from: TheKomodo on October 19, 2023, 09:46 PM
Though, there are absolutely noobs in Warmers, and everything else in life, both objectively and subjectively. To believe there is not is delusional ignorance.

When did I say that I believe noobs don't exist? I just recommended you get rid of the WORD "noob" in your rhetoric, not noobs themselves (unless if you're a killer ofc  :D). In order to avoid making the Warmer scheme even more unpopular by scaring people away. There's definitely something wrong with your perception of the general line of the dialogue.

Quote from: TheKomodo on October 19, 2023, 09:46 PM
You're the one attacking!

You said I shouldn't have made "strict rules" in the beginningso I justified why I should. In my eyes the whole event would be useless without these strict rules.

Yes, I said that you shouldn't have made so strict rules in the beginning. It's my honest opinion and I emphasized this many times: as you can see, my post with this SUGGESTION contains the word "IMO", I even used CAPS LOCK to emphasize this detail. Imo means "in MY OPINION" if you don't know. You may have a different opinion. But you don’t need to prove me that my opinion was wrong.

Quote from: TheKomodo on October 19, 2023, 09:46 PM
Then you got offended at the word "noob", you started saying that using this word is bad, when literally it's not a bad thing unless you want it to be.

I've never been offended at the word noob. Where did you even get such conclusions from? I don't care at all, and as I said, I'm always ready to admit that I'm a noob and I'm fine.

Quote from: TheKomodo on October 19, 2023, 09:46 PM
We're not talking about an official product that I am selling... I'd have to go through health & safety measures, and whatever other legal stuff in order not to get sued...

Emm, what? You can't even imagine the described situation. Health, safety measures, legal stuff... What's wrong with you?  :D Where did you get this from?
I suggested imagining the simple situation, where you are the marketer and I am the customer, because this is close to reality, because otherwise you're refusing to understand my message. Seems like everyone here has already understood the main message, except you. And only you're continuing to draw the strangest conclusions in your head.
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Offline TheKomodo

Re: Cup #1217, Freestyle Focus
« Reply #55 on: October 20, 2023, 04:09 PM »
Quote from: flashR on October 20, 2023, 01:27 AM
Dude, you're really delusional. I have no problems at all, because I'm just a "customer" here. YOU have a problems here as an organizer, because your event is unpopular. And I was just trying to help by noting some recommendations and feedback.

Your use of the word "customer" is hilarious! :D

I am not a shop, you are not a customer.

You WERE a participant, however the Cup is closed now, so now you're just a person whinging.

Unless you want to give me money and I'll sell you some feet pics? :P

Quote from: flashR on October 20, 2023, 01:27 AM
In addition, I even said here that I'm a noob and I'm fine with that.  :D Personally, this word doesn’t trigger me.

Well, actual history and reality would disagree.

I made a statement:

Quote from: TheKomodo on October 16, 2023, 01:03 AM
This is not an event for noobs, or anyone who is lazy, or people who are unreliable.

I want hard driven, skilled and reliable people to participate.

Then you replied with:

Quote from: flashR on October 16, 2023, 01:14 AM
If we want to "resurrect" rope freestyling and the Warmer scheme, we need to get rid of the word "noob". There are those who can be mentors, and there are those who need a mentor. That's it. Otherwise, this scheme will continue scaring a new people away.

It is 100% clear, you were triggered by the specific word "noob", otherwise you wouldn't have replied specifically talking about the word "noob".

If you want to change your mind, that's fine!

Though that's exactly what happened. Trying to deny is ridiculous when the evidence is right there.

Quote from: flashR on October 20, 2023, 01:27 AM
That's actually what I did, – I gave some suggestions here. Besides I told you 2 times that it's your business and you can do it as you want. Looks like two times is not enough, do you need a third time?

No...

You said that in your opinion I shouldn't have made such strict rules.

Now, you might not realize it which is fair enough, however I always was aware that being so strict will put a lot of people off.

However, your suggestion of not having strict rules doesn't align with the vision I had for the Cup.

When I explained my vision to you, you wrote:

Quote from: flashR on October 16, 2023, 01:14 AM
If we want to "resurrect" rope freestyling and the Warmer scheme, we need to get rid of the word "noob". There are those who can be mentors, and there are those who need a mentor. That's it. Otherwise, this scheme will continue scaring a new people away.

THAT is the statement that began this lengthy conversation!

You personally believe that the word "noob" is a bad thing, while I do not.

We can end this whole thing right now if we just agree to disagree.

I've already explained what the word literally means, that it isn't inherently bad.

I've even acknowledged the fact that some people DO associate it in a depreciative manner!

Now instead of just accepting that truth, you've went on a rant about how you're a customer and I should accept your "review" lol.

Quote from: flashR on October 20, 2023, 01:27 AM
When did I say that I believe noobs don't exist?

Here:

Quote from: flashR on October 16, 2023, 11:31 PM
To better explain my point of view, let's remember what a Warmer is and how it has been perceived. Imo, this is a "warm" (sorry for wordplay: warm Warmer, lol), relaxing and player-friendly scheme, where all players can practice their roping skills, tricks, freestyling and have interesting conversations during hours. There are no noobs, this is a place where people just perform what they want to perform and no one competes. I understand that this is the cup and we are here for competitive gameplay, so this is a different case. But if we're talking about culture of freestyling and about Warmer in general, we should not scare people away by calling someone a noob. Imo, "noob" word is a bit offensive, many people could get offended.


Quote from: flashR on October 20, 2023, 01:27 AM
I just recommended you get rid of the WORD "noob" in your rhetoric, not noobs themselves (unless if you're a killer ofc  :D). In order to avoid making the Warmer scheme even more unpopular by scaring people away. There's definitely something wrong with your perception of the general line of the dialogue.

Ok, you've made a recommendation, and I've refused it.

I like how the word looks in it's written form.

I like how the word sounds in it's spoken form.

I like that the word accurately and innocently describes that a person is a newcomer.

There is no malicious intention unless YOU make it so.

I am blatantly refusing your recommendation, now stop please.

Quote from: flashR on October 20, 2023, 01:27 AM
Yes, I said that you shouldn't have made so strict rules in the beginning. It's my honest opinion and I emphasized this many times: as you can see, my post with this SUGGESTION contains the word "IMO", I even used CAPS LOCK to emphasize this detail. Imo means "in MY OPINION" if you don't know. You may have a different opinion. But you don’t need to prove me that my opinion was wrong.

Again, you've made a suggestion, and I've refused that suggestion.

Can you not accept that I don't want to do it the way you want me to do it?

Quote from: flashR on October 20, 2023, 01:27 AM
I've never been offended at the word noob. Where did you even get such conclusions from? I don't care at all, and as I said, I'm always ready to admit that I'm a noob and I'm fine.

Again:

Quote from: flashR on October 16, 2023, 11:31 PM
To better explain my point of view, let's remember what a Warmer is and how it has been perceived. Imo, this is a "warm" (sorry for wordplay: warm Warmer, lol), relaxing and player-friendly scheme, where all players can practice their roping skills, tricks, freestyling and have interesting conversations during hours. There are no noobs, this is a place where people just perform what they want to perform and no one competes. I understand that this is the cup and we are here for competitive gameplay, so this is a different case. But if we're talking about culture of freestyling and about Warmer in general, we should not scare people away by calling someone a noob. Imo, "noob" word is a bit offensive, many people could get offended.

I'm literally quoting things THAT YOU SAID!

If you want to change your mind, fine! :D
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Offline flashR

Re: Cup #1217, Freestyle Focus
« Reply #56 on: October 20, 2023, 09:00 PM »
Quote from: TheKomodo on October 20, 2023, 04:09 PM
Your use of the word "customer" is hilarious! :D

I'm a hilarious guy generally.

Quote from: TheKomodo on October 20, 2023, 04:09 PM
I am not a shop, you are not a customer.

Yes, you are not a shop, you are a stubborn guy with no imagination and abstract thinking. It is hopeless to explain that this was a comparison that best suited my point of view on this situation.

Quote from: TheKomodo on October 20, 2023, 04:09 PM
You WERE a participant, however the Cup is closed now, so now you're just a person whinging.

I never whine, you're delusional again. I simply put my review here with a good intentions. But you started attacking instead of thinking. And for some reason I was trying to calm you down and explain that I didn't want anything bad. But you continue to attack and try to make me an idiot by cavilling to my previous words. Keep in mind, nerd, that english is not my native language. Let's try switching to Russian, and I’ll try to start making an idiot out of you? You have no single chance on this field.


Quote from: TheKomodo on October 20, 2023, 04:09 PM
Unless you want to give me money and I'll sell you some feet pics? :P

We are not interested in that on the continent. Why should I see this? Do you walk barefooted on the island and you want bragging about it?

Quote from: TheKomodo on October 20, 2023, 04:09 PM

It is 100% clear, you were triggered by the specific word "noob", otherwise you wouldn't have replied specifically talking about the word "noob".

If you want to change your mind, that's fine!

Though that's exactly what happened. Trying to deny is ridiculous when the evidence is right there.

Emm, what happened? Is there evidence of what?

This was my recommendation regarding freestyling and the scheme. And let's do it again for clarity: I said that there are no noobs only in freestyle, I didn’t talk about other schemes, other games, etc. I also explained the reasons in great detail. If a person came to freestyle, he has at least basic skills, unless he was a "random passenger". It's impossible to be a freestyler without some basic skills as well as impossible to solve integrals without knowing the multiplication table. I'll never change my mind, don't even try. You can accept it or not, I don't care.

Quote from: TheKomodo on October 20, 2023, 04:09 PM
You personally believe that the word "noob" is a bad thing, while I do not.

I've already explained what the word literally means, that it isn't inherently bad.

I've even acknowledged the fact that some people DO associate it in a depreciative manner!

Now instead of just accepting that truth, you've went on a rant about how you're a customer and I should accept your "review" lol.

Dude, open your eyes! It's not just me who are thinking like this. At least 3 more people (Kradie, FoxHound, Vesuvio) have told you the same thing, only using a different words. You are trying with your english dictionary to break a tradition that has been forming for decades of years. I don't know what's wrong with you. You should try to come into any other game and calling someone a noob. And I will be happy to watch how you will excuse yourself that you didn’t want to offend anyone.

I guess all the noted persons (Kradie, FoxHound, Vesuvio) are those, who could have potentially being interested in the event. Like as if a focus-group or team of testers. You've showed great disrespect for their opinions, and I don’t even know how you can be so careless about your potential audience.

Quote from: TheKomodo on October 20, 2023, 04:09 PM
I am blatantly refusing your recommendation

You should have started with this sentence. Then I wouldn't even continue the conversation with you.

Quote from: TheKomodo on October 20, 2023, 04:09 PM
Can you not accept that I don't want to do it the way you want me to do it?

Sure.

Quote from: TheKomodo on October 20, 2023, 04:09 PM
I'm literally quoting things THAT YOU SAID!

Umm? Yes you are. Do you see the difference between sentences “I've never been offended at the word noob” and “many people could get offended at the word noob”? Where is the contradiction? Or what is your question?
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Re: Cup #1217, Freestyle Focus
« Reply #57 on: October 21, 2023, 03:06 AM »
Quote from: flashR on October 20, 2023, 09:00 PM
Yes, you are not a shop, you are a stubborn guy with no imagination and abstract thinking. It is hopeless to explain that this was a comparison that best suited my point of view on this situation.

You're the one who got offended about the word "noob" and demanded I don't use such a word.

You gave me a suggestion about "strict rules", I declined it, you should have left it at that but you didn't, you keep pushing.

You should have left it at that. You keep pushing though.

I am relentless about defending myself in this way until you finally understand it.

I'm stubborn in that I will not stop defending myself, you're stubborn because you keep attacking.

Quote from: flashR on October 20, 2023, 09:00 PM
I never whine, you're delusional again. I simply put my review here with a good intentions. But you started attacking instead of thinking. And for some reason I was trying to calm you down and explain that I didn't want anything bad. But you continue to attack and try to make me an idiot by cavilling to my previous words. Keep in mind, nerd, that english is not my native language. Let's try switching to Russian, and I’ll try to start making an idiot out of you? You have no single chance on this field.

Read this entire thread again.

CAREFULLY!

This started when YOU got offended at the word "noob".

You're the one who is trying to tell me what I should and should not do & say.

You're the one attacking me for using the word "noob" and declining your "suggestion" on "strict rules".

You keep grasping at straws, you keep making these outrageous examples that have NOTHING to do with the actual conversation...

Perfect example... Talking about English Vs Russian.

If you were speaking on a Russian forum, then I said "this russian word means this" then you turn round and give me actual evidence that it doesn't... That would be on me for not knowing.

However, we're speaking in English here, Russian has nothing to do with it. It's not even so much the language as your inability to accept a mistake and learn from it.

You associate the word "noob" with a depreciative meaning, I LITERALLY GAVE YOU EVIDENCE that it is not a bad word!

All you need to say is, "Oh, I didn't know that..." and move on.

I am NOT trying to make you look like an idiot, I'm trying to help you learn that "noob" is NOT a bad word, it's a perfectly innocent word to use to accurately describe what a newcomer is!

Quote from: flashR on October 20, 2023, 09:00 PM
Emm, what happened? Is there evidence of what?

Evidence of YOU being triggered by the word "noob".

Unless you don't know what the word "triggered" means and/or how to use it properly.

Quote from: flashR on October 20, 2023, 09:00 PM
This was my recommendation regarding freestyling and the scheme. And let's do it again for clarity: I said that there are no noobs only in freestyle, I didn’t talk about other schemes, other games, etc. I also explained the reasons in great detail. If a person came to freestyle, he has at least basic skills, unless he was a "random passenger". It's impossible to be a freestyler without some basic skills as well as impossible to solve integrals without knowing the multiplication table. I'll never change my mind, don't even try. You can accept it or not, I don't care.

Dude... Use your common sense here.

If there was no such thing as a noob, then the word wouldn't exist!

It literally means newcomer! They are a beginner!

ANYONE has access to this website. They can create an account and sign up, without even knowing what a "Warmer" is, or even knowing what the word "Freestyle" means.

The reason I originally asked for replays was so that even players I don't know who sign up can send in a replay and it will show me that they have "basic skills" as you call it.

Use some common sense... It's not difficult!

It's impossible for there NOT to be any noobs.

Noobs always have and always will exist.

You can deny it all you want, you're wrong.

Quote from: flashR on October 20, 2023, 09:00 PM
Dude, open your eyes! It's not just me who are thinking like this. At least 3 more people (Kradie, FoxHound, Vesuvio) have told you the same thing, only using a different words. You are trying with your english dictionary to break a tradition that has been forming for decades of years. I don't know what's wrong with you. You should try to come into any other game and calling someone a noob. And I will be happy to watch how you will excuse yourself that you didn’t want to offend anyone.

What Kradie said was different to what you and FoxHound said.

Go back and read the thread.

At this point it's pretty obvious this is a communication problem, your misuse of the English language is the main problem here.

Also your inability to remember what you've said before.

You also keep denying things which there is clear evidence of, with your OWN words!

Quote from: flashR on October 20, 2023, 09:00 PM
I guess all the noted persons (Kradie, FoxHound, Vesuvio) are those, who could have potentially being interested in the event. Like as if a focus-group or team of testers. You've showed great disrespect for their opinions, and I don’t even know how you can be so careless about your potential audience.

Have you even read this thread?

I specifically said that Kradie was ok with what he said.

I specifically AGREED with what vesuvio said as well!

You clearly don't pay attention and/or read everything properly.

Quote from: flashR on October 20, 2023, 09:00 PM
You should have started with this sentence. Then I wouldn't even continue the conversation with you.

I DID refuse your recommendation, but you getting triggered by the word "noob" is what started this ridiculous conversation! :D

Quote from: flashR on October 20, 2023, 09:00 PM
Umm? Yes you are. Do you see the difference between sentences “I've never been offended at the word noob” and “many people could get offended at the word noob”? Where is the contradiction? Or what is your question?

Quote from: flashR on October 16, 2023, 11:31 PM
Imo, "noob" word is a bit offensive, many people could get offended.

This is EXACTLY what I am talking about!

You don't even realize what you wrote, YOUR OWN WORDS!

You wrote that in your opinion, the word is offensive, and that also many people could get offended.

YOUR WORDS:

Quote from: flashR on October 16, 2023, 11:31 PM
Imo, "noob" word is a bit offensive, many people could get offended.

Quote from: flashR on October 16, 2023, 11:31 PM
Imo, "noob" word is a bit offensive, many people could get offended.

Quote from: flashR on October 16, 2023, 11:31 PM
Imo, "noob" word is a bit offensive, many people could get offended.

Quote from: flashR on October 16, 2023, 11:31 PM
Imo, "noob" word is a bit offensive, many people could get offended.

Quote from: flashR on October 16, 2023, 11:31 PM
Imo, "noob" word is a bit offensive, many people could get offended.

READ IT AGAIN!

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Re: Cup #1217, Freestyle Focus
« Reply #58 on: October 21, 2023, 11:27 PM »
Quote from: TheKomodo on October 21, 2023, 03:06 AM
You're the one who got offended about the word "noob" and demanded I don't use such a word.

Lie again. I have already written 2 times that I am not offended at the word noob, and even said that I was ready to admit that I am a noob and I'm okay with that. Stop passing off your speculations as facts, it’s not even funny, it’s already a clinical case.

Also, the word "demanded" is wrong too, I just adviced. How can I demand something from a stranger?

Quote from: TheKomodo on October 21, 2023, 03:06 AM
You gave me a suggestion about "strict rules", I declined it, you should have left it at that but you didn't, you keep pushing.

Is there any reason for me to keep pushing? Open your eyes! The event is closed, I’m not a participant, and right now I absolutely don’t care about your rules and your vision, thank your stupidity and unethical behavior towards others and me.

Quote from: TheKomodo on October 21, 2023, 03:06 AM
I'm stubborn in that I will not stop defending myself, you're stubborn because you keep attacking.

No, I'm defending myself here, and you keep trying to make an idiot out of me, making stupid jokes and trying to find contradictions in my previous words, but there are no contradictions, so take it easy.

Quote from: TheKomodo on October 21, 2023, 03:06 AM
This started when YOU got offended at the word "noob".

This didn’t happen, I’m saying this for the millionth time. These are your fantasies or stupid jokes.

Quote from: TheKomodo on October 21, 2023, 03:06 AM
You're the one who is trying to tell me what I should and should not do & say.

Don't think so.

Quote from: TheKomodo on October 21, 2023, 03:06 AM
You keep grasping at straws, you keep making these outrageous examples that have NOTHING to do with the actual conversation...

These outrageous examples are as close to reality as possible, and if you don’t understand this, these are just problems of your thinking. I even assume that highly likely you've realized this and you are deliberately rejecting these examples, because you don't want to seem even more stupid.

Quote from: TheKomodo on October 21, 2023, 03:06 AM
It's not even so much the language as your inability to accept a mistake and learn from it.

I'm able to admit mistakes. But I don't see any mistakes here. My logic is strong, as well is my position.

Quote from: TheKomodo on October 21, 2023, 03:06 AM
You associate the word "noob" with a depreciative meaning, I LITERALLY GAVE YOU EVIDENCE that it is not a bad word!

Where was any evidence? The only evidence that you gave me was your lovely english dictionary. But wake up, dude! Do you live by a dictionary? I assume that 99% of Wormnet players doesn't have an english dictionary on their shelf. And I'm among them. I perfectly understand the meaning of the word noob, I don't need a dictionary for that. You should understand that we have a REAL OPINIONS of people on the one side, and on the other side we have a piece of paper smeared with paint, which almost no one uses. Don't give the words written in your dictionary as immutable truth. Otherwise, I’ll really start calling the orderlies soon. By the way, when was the dictionary published, which year?

Quote from: TheKomodo on October 21, 2023, 03:06 AM
I am NOT trying to make you look like an idiot, I'm trying to help you learn that "noob" is NOT a bad word, it's a perfectly innocent word to use to accurately describe what a newcomer is!

1. You're trying to make me look like an idiot when you cavilling to my previous words, trying to find contradictions and irrational logic, but it's not there.
2. I don't need your help. And, as I said, I don't need to be convinced, that is one of the reason why I've put this example with customer and marketer.

Quote from: TheKomodo on October 21, 2023, 03:06 AM
Evidence of YOU being triggered by the word "noob".

Where is evidence?

Quote from: TheKomodo on October 21, 2023, 03:06 AM
If there was no such thing as a noob, then the word wouldn't exist!

Stop, stop, stop. Don't be silly. I didn't talk about the word noob itself, and of course they exists somewhere: in other schemes, in other games etc. I’m telling you for the 4th time that I meant exclusively freestyling. And I detailed explained why. Also I didn't mean a random passengers, who just come in and out. I don’t know how else I can explain it to you. I believe that people come to freestyle with at least basic skills. I also said this ~3 times already. People with basic skills can barely be called noobs. But even if you really want to, I adviced  you don't do it, and explained in detail why.

Quote from: TheKomodo on October 21, 2023, 03:06 AM
ANYONE has access to this website. They can create an account and sign up, without even knowing what a "Warmer" is, or even knowing what the word "Freestyle" means.

Oh, really? And how many noobs has joined to your event this way?

Quote from: TheKomodo on October 21, 2023, 03:06 AM
What Kradie said was different to what you and FoxHound said.

Sure. Should we write the same way, using the same words? The meaning was general - no one liked the word noob. Let's check the facts:

Quote from: Kradie on October 19, 2023, 09:22 AM
Imo Noob is supposed to be offensive... <> To use the word noob can both have both positive and negative effect on a person's psyche.

Quote from: FoxHound on October 19, 2023, 11:51 AM
I completely agree with Kradie. Noob is not the same thing as Newbie. Noob is pejorative.

Quote from: vesuvio on October 19, 2023, 04:32 PM
in fact u so silly... we need MORE newbs to alive this game !

Quote from: flashR on October 16, 2023, 11:31 PM
But if we're talking about culture of freestyling and about Warmer in general, we should not scare people away by calling someone a noob.

Right, Vesuvio said something different from Kradie or Foxhound, but he meant almost the same thing as I said before. We both talked about resurrecting the game. He said that we need more newbs, then I said that we shouldn't scare people away by calling noobs and there's a logic: how will we get more newbs if you gonna continue call them noobs, insulting them and scaring away?

Quote from: TheKomodo on October 21, 2023, 03:06 AM
Also your inability to remember what you've said before.
You also keep denying things which there is clear evidence of, with your OWN words!

Are you trying to make a fool out of me again? It's impossible, because I'm not a fool. Therefore, it would be better for you to stop this circus show.

Quote from: TheKomodo on October 21, 2023, 03:06 AM
You don't even realize what you wrote, YOUR OWN WORDS!
You wrote that in your opinion, the word is offensive, and that also many people could get offended.

Yes that's exactly what I wrote. And I want to ask you again: do you see the difference between sentences: "many people could get offended" and "I've never been offended at the word noob"? "MANY PEOPLE" IS NOT RELATED TO ME! Everyone has their own opinion and point of view. The word noob can't trigger me, as I said before. And if I find this word offensive, this DOES NOT MEAN that I can be offended at it. I find this word a bit offensive FOR OTHERS.

Now tell me, are you really so stupid or are you pretending?

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Offline TheKomodo

Re: Cup #1217, Freestyle Focus
« Reply #59 on: October 21, 2023, 11:47 PM »
 :D :D :D :D :D :D

You said you were offended, now you claim you never said that, even when it's right there in plain sight.

Next you will be telling us humans don't need oxygen to survive lol.

You literally said something, then deny that you said it, even when the evidence is right there.

You're wrong, the universe knows you're wrong, this thread knows you're wrong.

All you can do now is say "Oops, I made a mistake".

Anyway, I'm so confident I am right, I'd literally kill myself if I was not.
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