ok my friends!

[TheKomodo]

Cue, why can't you just understand that to ME these things are different?

Avi's going to jail, he won't say why so I can't really have an opinion on it, but i've known him for a long time and I like him, no matter what he done to get jail, it must have been something, no matter what it is, I don't have any sympathy for him for his current situation, although I have sympathy for other things that have happened to him and I still have a deal of respect for him.

I've done some bad things in my life, but nothing worthy of death in my opinion, I feel i've generally done alot more good and helped alot more people than i've done bad, I still hate myself for the bad things i've done, but I am proud of myself for the good things i've done, if I killed someone, I would accept the consequences, even if that meant death, and I really mean that, I wouldn't think I deserve rehabilitation or "restorative justice".

Of course I am trying to protect my position, by trying to make you understand my opinions, and i'll debate until you do, even if you don't agree with them, but as long as you understand where i'm coming from.

Having sympathy for someone's innocent life, and having NO sympathy for their guilty life, are 2 different things in my eyes, I would still look down on "her" for stealing, just like I looked down on myself for things i've done.

You said this: "Now you are redefining your position, separating the person and the crime"

And I can only say this, I never put the 2 together in the 1st place did I.

[nino]

bad idea avi to stole those shoes and cap 

[Cueshark]

Cue, why can't you just understand that to ME these things are different?

Avi's going to jail, he won't say why so I can't really have an opinion on it, but i've known him for a long time and I like him, no matter what he done to get jail, it must have been something, no matter what it is, I don't have any sympathy for him for his current situation, although I have sympathy for other things that have happened to him and I still have a deal of respect for him.

I've done some bad things in my life, but nothing worthy of death in my opinion, I feel i've generally done alot more good and helped alot more people than i've done bad, I still hate myself for the bad things i've done, but I am proud of myself for the good things i've done, if I killed someone, I would accept the consequences, even if that meant death, and I really mean that, I wouldn't think I deserve rehabilitation or "restorative justice".

Of course I am trying to protect my position, by trying to make you understand my opinions, and i'll debate until you do, even if you don't agree with them, but as long as you understand where i'm coming from.

Having sympathy for someone's innocent life, and having NO sympathy for their guilty life, are 2 different things in my eyes, I would still look down on "her" for stealing, just like I looked down on myself for things i've done.

You said this: "Now you are redefining your position, separating the person and the crime"

And I can only say this, I never put the 2 together in the 1st place did I.

Fair enough.

It was stupid to get hung up on that one point.

I just want you to concede the point that you could have been more specific about your view point and that you didn't really mean that "ALL CRIMINALS deserve NO sympathy whatsoever, no matter what the crime they committed".

You have redefined your position because you've broken it down and been more specific.

The reason I can't understand that to you these things are different is because you didn't explain it like that in the first place.  Instead you said "ALL CRIMINALS deserve NO sympathy whatsoever, no matter what the crime they committed".  This clearly isn't your position.

We got there in the end! :<

[Free]

TOP5 thread ever.

[theredi]

f@#! the system!!! its all about money and it poison people`s minds so they cant control their urges and it makes our world hell alike =/

[avirex]

hahahah this thread is great, yah!!


komo, i still say ur like a long term spouse...

u would argue if the chicken is too salty, or too much pepper! lol.

so which is it komo? serious... salt or pepper?



and damnit, why did i have to steal those shoes and cap! im going to return them right now!! hahahahahah nino f@#!er!!

i think after this thread i have been rehabilitated, i dont need jail... i think any judge will agree, i will link him here. 

[nino]

i really hope you learnt and dont do it again, not nice to steal shoes and cap 

lmfao btw, remember the cap  u were sending me? still w8ing lol, but please dont send the stolen pleaseee, i dont want troubles with police hauhauha

[Ramone]

I think that when it comes to Justice things ain't so simple and each example (defendant) should be treated on it's own way. You just cannot generalize those things. Each and every person are different and very often each "crime" is different.
Who is the Judge and what are the laws?! Who determine that? Each country for itself. But I'd say some laws are crime by itself. I'd say there are many Judges that are bigger criminals than the ones they judge. Usually it's all a matter of powerful people that defend their interests in each of our countries. In some countries some things are considered as a crime while in other they are legal. So what is left? Gods 10 Commandments? Huuh, they are tricky too, again it's not all so simply..

I know a guy that used to go to some wealthy country (Swiss i.e.) and commit some "crime" (steal something or hit the police officer) and he would go to jail (on purpose) to serve his time because they have monthly payments there! He would save those money (for 6 months i.e) which is huge amount (comparing to payments here) and come back with that money in his pocket to feed his family!! It was back in '90s when average payment here (in Serbia) was 5 DEM (Deutsch Marks) which is about 3 Euros (can U believe that?;x)

Would you say that Robin Hood was a criminal? Yes, cause he was stealing and doing things against the law, but in fact is he? As the story explains he's not, he's a hero in fact. Laws are often there to protect powerful people, so what is Justice really?
As 2Pac said "only God can judge me".. ;x

There's a good movie about justice and death penalty subject. It's one of my favorite movies (in my Top 20 at least).. It's called "Dead Man Walking" with Sean Penn and Susan Sarandon in main rolls. "The film is not pro-capital punishment, or anti. It simply shows all sides, and allows you to conclude what you want to."
Suggest ya to see it if ya haven't..

[Cueshark]

Indeed, it's not that simple at all.

A crime in one country might not be a crime in another country, so having a set rule like ""ALL CRIMINALS deserve NO sympathy whatsoever, no matter what the crime they committed" is not a feasible stance to take.  As we've found out.

[theredi]

good words cue but when we dig more into it we can find out that all this is just one big bullshit, these courts, rights are only to confuse people lol, they can sentence u into jail for nothing!!!!! but the real criminals will never have any probles with them!!!! WTF?!!?!?!?! i dont harm anybody and im f@#!ing recidivist, i commit a crime everyday so many ppl would like me to be in closed separated place only because i like to smoke a plant :O and f@#!ers which have power (mofos running the countries) can do whatever the f@#! they want and kill many ppl without any suffer coz of that so plz tell me: WHAT THE f@#! IS WRONG WITH THIS WORLD!?!?!??!


i`ll tell u what is wrong: ppl are f@#!en stupid!!!@#!@#!@ and thats the coz of all f@#!ing problems, they are just too f@#!en stupid to even try figure this out how f@#!en stupid they are lolololol

[Abnaxus]

huh? when did i flame here? and when did i flood here?.... and please, tell me when i lied? lol...  there is one thing i dont do, and that is lie....  what r u talking about dude??

When I say "here", I mean "on the forum".

Flood: You know why I say this.
Flames: You sometimes do towards some people.
Lying: You did in your "good bye" post (which was a "joke", but was looking more like a lie).

[Cueshark]

good words cue but when we dig more into it we can find out that all this is just one big bullshit, these courts, rights are only to confuse people lol, they can sentence u into jail for nothing!!!!! but the real criminals will never have any probles with them!!!! WTF?!!?!?!?! i dont harm anybody and im f@#!ing recidivist, i commit a crime everyday so many ppl would like me to be in closed separated place only because i like to smoke a plant :O and f@#!ers which have power (mofos running the countries) can do whatever the f@#! they want and kill many ppl without any suffer coz of that so plz tell me: WHAT THE f@#! IS WRONG WITH THIS WORLD!?!?!??!


i`ll tell u what is wrong: ppl are f@#!en stupid!!!@#!@#!@ and thats the coz of all f@#!ing problems, they are just too f@#!en stupid to even try figure this out how f@#!en stupid they are lolololol

Exactly.  

In some countries it is illegal to be gay.  And in some countries it is illegal not to pray for at least 5 hours a day or whatever.  Some countries allow you to smoke the herb and some don't.

So what actually is a crime? Oo

[TheKomodo]

I just want you to concede the point that you could have been more specific about your view point and that you didn't really mean that "ALL CRIMINALS deserve NO sympathy whatsoever, no matter what the crime they committed".

You have redefined your position because you've broken it down and been more specific.

I did not redefine my position at all, in the end I said the exact same thing I said in the beginning, that criminals deserve NO sympathy at all no matter WHAT the crime, the "girls" life is NOT a crime, but the crime she committed is, I have no sympathy for her being a criminal, I would as a person if I understood her life, even knowing about her life i'd still not have sympathy for the crime she committed, so how the hell am I going back on what I said?

The fact is you just can't understand my opinion.

I know what you are trying to get it, because I said "ALL CRIMINALS deserve NO sympathy whatsoever, no matter what the crime they committed" you automatically assume that I associate that with everything else they have ever done, why would you do that?

I never redefined anything, I just explained more in depth when I needed to.

Jeff - always salt

[Cueshark]

I just want you to concede the point that you could have been more specific about your view point and that you didn't really mean that "ALL CRIMINALS deserve NO sympathy whatsoever, no matter what the crime they committed".

You have redefined your position because you've broken it down and been more specific.

I did not redefine my position at all, in the end I said the exact same thing I said in the beginning, that criminals deserve NO sympathy at all no matter WHAT the crime, the "girls" life is NOT a crime, but the crime she committed is, I have no sympathy for her being a criminal, I would as a person if I understood her life, even knowing about her life i'd still not have sympathy for the crime she committed, so how the hell am I going back on what I said?

The fact is you just can't understand my opinion.

I know what you are trying to get it, because I said "ALL CRIMINALS deserve NO sympathy whatsoever, no matter what the crime they committed" you automatically assume that I associate that with everything else they have ever done, why would you do that?

I never redefined anything, I just explained more in depth when I needed to.

Jeff - always salt

You said you'd have no sympathy for a criminal, then you said you'd have sympathy for a criminal under certain circumstances, i.e when the crime was due to maltreatment by her parents.

Sorry if I didn't understand what you meant.  Also I don't remember my hypothetical situation being a girl or a boy but doesn't matter.

None of this matters. 

You're a stubborn one Komo but I always enjoy these exchanges.  Keeps me off the streets.

[TheKomodo]

You said you'd have no sympathy for a criminal, then you said you'd have sympathy for a criminal under certain circumstances, i.e when the crime was due to maltreatment by her parents.

Sorry if I didn't understand what you meant.  Also I don't remember my hypothetical situation being a girl or a boy but doesn't matter.

None of this matters. 

You're a stubborn one Komo but I always enjoy these exchanges.  Keeps me off the streets.

No, I did not say I have sympathy for the criminal, I said i'd have sympathy for what's happened to them in their life, I would still want them punished to the full extent of the law, this still does not mean I have sympathy for them as a criminal, like I said, it's 2 different things for me and I never put them together in the 1st place, you just assumed this lol.

To me it's like, a persons private life and their work life are 2 seperate things, their sex life and their personal life are 2 different things and should not be thought of as the same, or be judged if they are a great person, but suck at their job, or if they are very very dirty in their sex life, but so innocent as a person, to me the same goes as having a criminal life, and for example their childhood, it's completely different matter of time, which is why I said i'd have no sympathy for them no matter what the crime, even if it was the nicest guy in the world, and like, they he had a kid, and some adult junkie mugged the kid, beat the kid up bad, broke some bones, and the guy set out, and murdered the guy in cold blood, now, while I understand why the guy would do this, and i'd sympathise for his kid, i'd still think he deserves the death penelty for murdering in cold blood, because at the end of the day, his kid survived, bones and flesh heal, but you can't come back from the dead can you?