Checking times in RR

[darKz]

I never understood why roof hiding in roper is lame

Sore losers consider it lame, it actually isn't the least bit lame because playing in a league you're just securing your win. Blame the scheme or the maps if anything.

[Flori]

Seems pretty easy if on every roper game when u get an advantage thanks to a cr8, after this u hide only top so you are sure to attack every turn and win.
When you are 2v1 it's not same coz if you hide very well your opponent has a lot of chances to come back and win. So there its fair i guess.

[darKz]

As I said, blame scheme/map, not the player. It's rather odd that players get insulted for choosing the easiest way to win. League is about winning, remember?

[Flori]

Whats odd is everyone behaviour.

[Mablak]

Flori, you just seem to be concerned about how people's hopes will get up once they see their in-game times. Solution: just don't expect anything in the case of a tie, until you see the actual times.

In 1v1, what we call draws can actually have time differences of up to 0.98 seconds, and in 2v2, the difference can be up to 1.96 seconds. Everyone should be able to agree that anyone with a better time has objectively performed better than his or her opponent, so the method of judging that should be given preference is exact judging. I think we should just go forward with the rule I proposed, since it still allows people to judge by whole seconds.

[Flori]

What if ps play vs mm in clanner, we do 50.24 and  50.14 vs 50.00 and 50.00.
We absolutely dont know we won before looking replay, ps wants to make it a draw and mm wants to check replay.
What happen ?

[Mablak]

In that situation, you can go by the draw rule if you both want, since it's based on whole seconds. But if one side wants to get the exact times, the rule would say that you have to go by the exact times. Of course, the side that wants to check could end up losing. But I would always want to check in clanners either way, since the difference in times can be up to 1.96 secs.

[Almog]

see why I hate rr?

[Mablak]

I don't think anyone here can see why you hate rr

[Impossible]

I can imagine how do you hate bng then, almog 

[TheKomodo]

If the rules of TuS for TTRR from day 1 were check time by MS, I am pretty sure everyone would be fine with it.

I don't find hiding on top in Roper or notching in BnG lame either, again, if everyone was doing these things from day 1, it would be fine.

Like Rene said, blame the map/schemes, and for me more importantly is the rules and people you play with.

I believe in a fair fight, and no matter what your opinion is the objective of a League is to win, not to have fun, you can try to have fun and not try to win, you can try to have fun and win at the same time, or you can do anything humanly possible within the rules to win.

All 3 options should be no problem for everyone to accept, I personally feel that it's rules of this League and the people who play and use/do certain things to get an unfair advantage, that is lame.

For example, if I was playing a TuS Classic 1v1 BnG against some guy who only joined TuS let's say, an hour beforehand, knowing full well that I could easily win 200-0 without notching or repeating, if I chose to use my notching abilities and repeat shots against the opponent, kill him in 6 turns or something, I don't think he would have a very good experience of the game, and even if he did enjoy it, I would still consider it lame because the guy probably thinks I am god or something and all I done was "notch" some 4s FP nades which is one of the easiest things on this planet to do...

But if I was playing Mablak, and we were both notching, both aiming to win, both playing within the rules, what's the problem? It's a really fair fight...

I'd hide on top in Roper against Mablak because we are both very good Ropers, and just securing our lead regardless or luck/mistakes.

I wouldn't really do it against a noob though, i'd showboat a bit and show him it can be fun while he learns to become pro, THEN he can play serious, or not, whatever lol.

If I was to play TTRR against Mablak, and I done 45.56 and he done 45.78 I would consider it as my greatest achievement in TTRR and I would be EXTREMELY pissed off if I had to play him again because some people around here just can't be assed checking a replay...

Shouldn't it be the main purpose of a League, to make sure everyone can enjoy equal competition? The rules make certain players able to get an unfair advantage over other players, regardless who feels what, this shouldn't be tolerated with being a League.

I am guessing anyone on Earth who for some reason suddenly decided they wanted to find out who the best players in the world are for Worms Armageddon, they would come to this very website to find out, because the best of the best play and compete against each other here seriously, if someone asked in #AG "What's the best League to play WA competitively?" I am sure everyone would answer "www.tus-wa.com" not "www.letsallnotgivvaf@#!aboutwinningatwa.com".

Edit: I honestly think, if you can't be assed checking a TTRR replay that takes 1 or 2 minutes, then you simply don't care enough about winning, and if this is true, you certainly shouldn't be wasting your opponents time who actually does take it 100% serious, maybe it's a tiny little bother to check replay, but think about your opponents who are innocently trying to be the best competitive players at this game...

You are literally choosing and holding your own agenda over the truth and reality, that is selfish.

[Flori]

If the rules of TuS for TTRR from day 1 were check time by MS, I am pretty sure everyone would be fine with it.

I don't find hiding on top in Roper or notching in BnG lame either, again, if everyone was doing these things from day 1, it would be fine.

Like Rene said, blame the map/schemes, and for me more importantly is the rules and people you play with.

I believe in a fair fight, and no matter what your opinion is the objective of a League is to win, not to have fun, you can try to have fun and not try to win, you can try to have fun and win at the same time, or you can do anything humanly possible within the rules to win.

All 3 options should be no problem for everyone to accept, I personally feel that it's rules of this League and the people who play and use/do certain things to get an unfair advantage, that is lame.

For example, if I was playing a TuS Classic 1v1 BnG against some guy who only joined TuS let's say, an hour beforehand, knowing full well that I could easily win 200-0 without notching or repeating, if I chose to use my notching abilities and repeat shots against the opponent, kill him in 6 turns or something, I don't think he would have a very good experience of the game, and even if he did enjoy it, I would still consider it lame because the guy probably thinks I am god or something and all I done was "notch" some 4s FP nades which is one of the easiest things on this planet to do...

But if I was playing Mablak, and we were both notching, both aiming to win, both playing within the rules, what's the problem? It's a really fair fight...

I'd hide on top in Roper against Mablak because we are both very good Ropers, and just securing our lead regardless or luck/mistakes.

I wouldn't really do it against a noob though, i'd showboat a bit and show him it can be fun while he learns to become pro, THEN he can play serious, or not, whatever lol.

If I was to play TTRR against Mablak, and I done 45.56 and he done 45.78 I would consider it as my greatest achievement in TTRR and I would be EXTREMELY pissed off if I had to play him again because some people around here just can't be assed checking a replay...

Shouldn't it be the main purpose of a League, to make sure everyone can enjoy equal competition? The rules make certain players able to get an unfair advantage over other players, regardless who feels what, this shouldn't be tolerated with being a League.

I am guessing anyone on Earth who for some reason suddenly decided they wanted to find out who the best players in the world are for Worms Armageddon, they would come to this very website to find out, because the best of the best play and compete against each other here seriously, if someone asked in #AG "What's the best League to play WA competitively?" I am sure everyone would answer "www.tus-wa.com" not "www.letsallnotgivvaf@#!aboutwinningatwa.com".

Edit: I honestly think, if you can't be assed checking a TTRR replay that takes 1 or 2 minutes, then you simply don't care enough about winning, and if this is true, you certainly shouldn't be wasting your opponents time who actually does take it 100% serious, maybe it's a tiny little bother to check replay, but think about your opponents who are innocently trying to be the best competitive players at this game...

You are literally choosing and holding your own agenda over the truth and reality, that is selfish.

Well you got a nice speech here. But i don't see what the paragraph of the best player of wa is doing here xD  Whats the link with rr times xD.

Mab the thing is that a lot of guys will say "lets check replay" only when they know they were close to 50.00 and their opponent close to 51.00 And the opponent, who doesnt care about millisecs, will be f@#!ed on every case like this, when he'd not say to check replay if he was the one close to 50
After some time everyone will check replay coz people womm get pissed of to be f@#!ed like this. Im sure its pretty much the same story that happened in bng when people started notch, or top hiding in roper. Some people started doing it and others were sick to be f@#!ed playing fair so they did it also.
Don't say its not true, im sure some people (i didn't say ALL people) learned notch and started top hiding in roper (and there is probably some others things like this i dont have in mind Edit : molotov block in shoppa) only because they wanted to win and they figured out its the only way they can against notchers/top hidding opponents.
Now it became normal.

[HHC]

Shouldn't it be the main purpose of a League, to make sure everyone can enjoy equal competition? The rules make certain players able to get an unfair advantage over other players, regardless who feels what, this shouldn't be tolerated with being a League.

Define unfair advantage. The way I see it the times are just being rounded up at the moment and based on that a winner is picked or a draw is pronounced. I don't really see the issue there. It worked perfect so far, except maybe not for Mablak, but that's another case.
Most players are fine going by the times shown in game. Mablak is the exception afaik, if he wants to go by accurate times than maybe he should agree before the game to check replays with his opponent. If it's made into a rule people like me who are fine with playing as it is now are either forced doing extra work we can't really be arsed about or risk getting screwed over by people who nitpick.

"www.letsallnotgivvaf@#!aboutwinningatwa.com".

You make it seem like people who don't want to make things more complicated/serious/dull are against all kinds of competition. That's just not true. Everybody here knows I love competition.
I just think that for nice competition you need to preserve the part of the game that makes it fun, and a lot of times that fun comes from variation, creativity and pure chance. I don't think I know any boardgame (or CPU game) that solely drives on being a skill contest. There's always some luck involved, some uncontrollable circumstances that affect your performance. Without it every game would be the same and it would just be a matter of working through a certain protocol.
But that has nothing to do with this rule. The question here is, do I mind going with the in-game timer or do I want a more accurate time by going through the extra time and nuissance of checking the replay. (especially in clanners it's annoying to have to leave the game inbetween 2 picks to check the replay.. and even then, players prolly have to discuss what the times really are).
I don't think the game needs to be more complicated than it already is. Even if that means a clan may lose a game when they are really 0.5 sec faster. I can deal with that. It's not the end of the world, it's just the way things are being calculated.

your opponents who are innocently trying to be the best competitive players at this game...

It's not as innocent as it seems.. Like I said it's rules like this that take away the fun out of the game.

You are literally choosing and holding your own agenda over the truth and reality, that is selfish.

ey, that's my point.  

It's selfish to push through a rule only a few people care about and that the rest doesn't need or want.

[TheKomodo]

You are literally choosing and holding your own agenda over the truth and reality, that is selfish.

ey, that's my point.  

It's selfish to push through a rule only a few people care about and that the rest doesn't need or want.

I am saying it is selfish because you are choosing your own "fun" over truth and reality, which would be the fastest time by the laws of physics.

The rest, is pretty much difference of opinion I feel there is no need to debate anymore about that.

[Aerox]

I don't want to sound like a broken record but I want to highlight something because it seems it wasn't clear or it was quickly forgotten:

the extra work argument is kind of moot, guys, you're sounding like mexicans. How many draws do you think that might occur to you during a season?

I think Mablak would have made this thread as soon as it happened to him and it's been how long?