Mods for leagues

[TheKomodo]

I would still like to be MOD, but unfortunately MI cannot accept what's best for the community:

TUS has grown with ideas suggested by its members.

I actually hate this statement, even if every single person in the TuS community wants something, unless MI personally wants whatever that is, it won't happen.

I am beginning to think MI is full of lies, seriously disappointing...

Edit: I mean seriously MI, by making me a MOD, what have you got to lose?

[DarkOne]

I would still like to be MOD, but unfortunately MI cannot accept what's best for the community:

There's confidence and then there's overconfidence, Komo
My experience with you is that you do look at problems regarding games pretty objectively, haven't met problems with your cups, other than problems with deadlines (not an issue with regular complaint solving, I realise).

And then there's the part where you can suddenly get bored and walk away - but then I'd be a colossal hypocite if I were to make that a deal breaker.

You did get into a lot of arguments, but let's not forget that in complaint threads, most of those started with people complaining about meddling by non-mods, so that also wouldn't be an issue.

All I can say is - be prepared to be called biased if MI changes his mind.

Just to clarify a misconception from this thread - I don't spread myself too thin. In fact, when I noticed that I was spreading myself too thin, I decided to stick to moderating cups, even if no announcement was made to that extent. I only occasionally handled compaints from the leagues.

[TheKomodo]

Yeah I admit to being a bit cocky, but I strongly believe I would be a best choice.

When you say "get bored and walk" away, could you please give me some examples and maybe I can explain myself because I don't think this relates to dealing with complaints/problems, I usually only get bored and quit things that I am only a player of, which isn't doing anything wrong really... The 1 exception I can think of is when you started "The stupid f**kin cup" before I wanted to start it, it was a bad idea to make that cup anyway...

I don't see why getting involved in some arguements is such a bad thing, I don't think anyone needs a degree from Cambridge and manners that would make the Queen envious...

I am active enough, smart enough, disciplined enough and friendly enough and respected enough to always make the right call.

[avirex]

I would still like to be MOD, but unfortunately MI cannot accept what's best for the community:

There's confidence and then there's overconfidence, Komo
My experience with you is that you do look at problems regarding games pretty objectively, haven't met problems with your cups, other than problems with deadlines (not an issue with regular complaint solving, I realise).

And then there's the part where you can suddenly get bored and walk away - but then I'd be a colossal hypocite if I were to make that a deal breaker.

You did get into a lot of arguments, but let's not forget that in complaint threads, most of those started with people complaining about meddling by non-mods, so that also wouldn't be an issue.

All I can say is - be prepared to be called biased if MI changes his mind.

Just to clarify a misconception from this thread - I don't spread myself too thin. In fact, when I noticed that I was spreading myself too thin, I decided to stick to moderating cups, even if no announcement was made to that extent. I only occasionally handled compaints from the leagues.

thats exactly the current problem with TUS at the moment, someone with more objective views may not make the best of MODS.

but thats only because the rules are lacking in a big way, as Anubis said, in AL league (i think he said AL?) ANY BODY could have been a MOD, because the rules were stated in such a way that the answer to most complaints were a simple copy and paste away... in the result of a complaint being a bit more complicated, Komo would be smart enough to know the rules need a quick update, and after discussing with others the rule can then be brought to MI to make adequate changes.

DarkOne, i agree... you are not AS guilty of spreading yourself too thin, you have done so in the past, but according to you, you can realize that before things get out of control... MonkeyIsland clearly can not see when he is spreading himself too thin, and if he can, i guess he just does not wish to do anything about it..  he waits until people are like "wtf?" we all knew we needed a new mod like 8 months ago, we voted in barman (regardless of him breaking rules to fit what he liked **cough**) but barman is now inactive, along with the gender hopping mod, and DarkOne is managing cup mods he says.... its time we get a new MOD.

I am no longer interested in this roll.. i dont want to feel like im walking on egg shells with every decision i make, simply because MI will be looking for a reason to get rid of me, its not fair to me, or him. (it will only make him look worse that he has already made himself look here)

but komo is still interested in the roll of being MOD, and damn it, the man will do a good job!! and fix the rules!!  The rules have been issue to complaint more commonly then any other feature in TUS, and since TUS birth *almost* nothing has been done to correct them.

i think MonkeyIsland has done a great job with most everything as TUS, and without him, theres a good chance a lot of us would not be here... but, the guy does not know when he needs help, and when to accept the help that is offered, its as if he wants to run every aspect of the league, with the help of his trusty side kick (darkone) and at the end of the movie, when the credits roll, he would be distraught if any other names were mentioned.

 

[Free]

Great thread. +1

[DarkOne]

I don't see why getting involved in some arguements is such a bad thing, I don't think anyone needs a degree from Cambridge and manners that would make the Queen envious...

I am active enough, smart enough, disciplined enough and friendly enough and respected enough to always make the right call.

As long as you can remain unbiased, I see no issue with getting into arguments, as long as it doesn't happen too often. Hearing opposing views keeps people sane, as long as they're willing to listen to those opposing points.

That one cup was what I was thinking of, along with a darts cup that didn't have deadlines and took so long everybody lost interest. But again - that should not be a valid reason.

Avi, you do realise that MI has asked multiple people to help moderate, not just franz and barman - all of whom became inactive after a short while, myself sort of included. To say he doesn't know when to ask for help is selling him short, even if he perhaps does try to do too much himself

If your reason for not wanting to moderate now (even if asked) is cause you feel like walking on eggshells, then perhaps you're not as cut out for moderating as you thought. You're either walking on eggshells or you moderate like TSR (or as most people call him, Kiros).
If it's about MI not taking your offer, well, fair enough

[ANO]

the dwarf has never deserved that role

[TheKomodo]

I know the Darts cup you are talking about Darkone, and everyone agrees it's Phantons fault he just up and went off for a couple months, but he said he would be gone for only 1 month which we could have waited, then he said 2 months, had I known that to begin with he would have been removed immediately, you learn from your mistakes huh...

That was a pretty successful cup up until then though, and when finally removed the remaining games were played quickly enough.

[ANO]

Cmon Avi, as community we can still vote and decide for the trl scheme, and for the awards!!!!!! As MI wrtote me last timd I was banned, Tus is his toy...




Anyways...let at least oneof these nerds create a f@#!ing mobile version of this website

[MonkeyIsland]

This is actually going nowhere.

@avirex,
Posts of you in this very topic show the "attitude" I was talking about. Your request of being league moderators got rejected, but your reactions made it even worse. I DO reserve the right to select my own moderators and even my reasons could be as weak as "I don't like your face". That should be the end of story. Instead, you're getting more rude for me not agreeing with you.

because i do not break rules in league games, and i believe i have only been banned from TUS once, because yes.. i broke a rule to do something i liked... but, barman was banned right along with me at the same time, along with another group of tus members

I could give it a go to your history on TUS and fish out every one of your foolish moves but It'll get mean and nothing good would come out of it.

I'll give you just one for the sake of the argument. You failed to comprehend that a Worms community site with members in all ages is no place for posting adult content. When got restricted, you created FoS as a comeback. (Freedom to speak about porn anytime)

Meanwhile people in my country struggle to have a shred of the real freedom of speech; we get jailed and receive death penalties for expressing ourselves. Now that's your "image" you wanted to laugh about.

The rules have been issue to complaint more commonly then any other feature in TUS, and since TUS birth *almost* nothing has been done to correct them.

i think MonkeyIsland has done a great job with most everything as TUS, and without him, theres a good chance a lot of us would not be here... but, the guy does not know when he needs help, and when to accept the help that is offered, its as if he wants to run every aspect of the league, with the help of his trusty side kick (darkone) and at the end of the movie, when the credits roll, he would be distraught if any other names were mentioned.

I know when to ask for help. I just don't accept every offer I get. Yes I am spreading myself too thin but it's not because I'm hungry for the credits. It's because most members want everything to be fixed for them. If the rules had the problem from the beginning, then as a member, you COULD take it and fix maybe? Like the one Senator is doing now? So what took you so long?

the reality of it is, i am very well liked in this community, if i wasn't, i would never have been able to form such a strong clan, and keep such influential members in the clan, i would never be able to form such a strong community, based around absolutely nothing (that we can disclose to the public) and i would not have been able to call you out on reading our forums, and watch you squirm like the little private forum rat that you are.

I am not the only private community/forum that has said they seen you in their forums... FoS has multiple screen shots of you in our private forum, wanna call me a liar again?? i dont remember the last time you "accidentally" clicked on our forums either MI, but that's why you will not be able to quote me saying it was recently. besides, we took all the juicy stuff to a more private forum outside of TUS anyway... so if you'd like to visit more frequently, we dont mind

You are liked by the people around you. Even most hateful people in the world are liked by their friends.

You have called me names a lot and I have ignored it all. But it seems like you've got the wrong impression of me as a punching bag. Calling me a "private forum rat" is a serious insult to me. This one is implying that I do not respect my members privacy. The very first week you started FoS, you also sent me invitation to FoS and even back then you DID imply that I do read your private forums. it looks like it's something you wish for. If my name pops up on some board, it doesn't necessarily mean I'm reading its content. I could be doing various things. More importantly, I have coded the damn thing, if I want to read some private board, why should I leave a trace? Accusing me like that is not something that I tolerate. That's not an insult I suck up for the sake of letting members to express themselves.

I expect an apology from you. Of course if you're smart enough you know what I'm really hoping for you to do.


@komo,
Being cocky not only doesn't make me want to cut you some slack, it doesn't make anyone else to do the same.

I am active enough, smart enough, disciplined enough and friendly enough and respected enough to always make the right call.

active enough: correct

smart enough: correct

disciplined enough - incorrect
If you're in a good mood, yes. Otherwise no.

friendly enough - incorrect
If you're in a good mood, yes. Otherwise no.

respected enough - incorrect
On what field? BnG? yes. Darts? Yes. Having passion for what you do? Yes. Your overall personality? No.

I'm not really sure if you could hold yourself. Of course you promise you would until you'll have a bad day or someone disagrees with you and you'll lose it. and we've all seen it when you lose it.

This is from the last BnG complaint, very recently:

If a MOD voids this game because of vesuvios hide, then not only are they completely stupid

Nevermind leave the thread you should leave the f@#!ing planet.

Yes, 2 or 3, maybe 4 or 5 tops, which is less than the amount of people who have said you are an annoying c**t.

let's say all of it are true, still that's not the way a moderator responds.

Why don't you start by showing us you can "change" ? Post in the complaint board and show me how long you can hold it. That includes your posts in the rest of the forum. (not only complaints board)

[TheKomodo]

disciplined enough - incorrect
If you're in a good mood, yes. Otherwise no.

That's incorrect, I am definitely disciplined, even when I am in a bad mood I still take care of business properly, if I am in a bad mood I have swore in the past and said a few bad words but I still get the job done, the end result is always met.

friendly enough - incorrect
If you're in a good mood, yes. Otherwise no.

Most of the time I am in a good mood, this situation the way you act reminds me of our old bosses at work, they never remember all the times you said good things or done extra work, or stayed behind to help out, or done favours like covering shifts when people are off sick, but the few times you make mistakes they remember it as if it just happened and they never forget.

I am almost always in a good mood, fun to play games with, and make good conversation with people, there are a few people who I don't get along with, but I tend to stay out of their way, even for the moments myself and avirex argue, it's less than 1% of the time we have known each other and been in each others company, we do respect each other, and on top of that I do respect pretty much every person here and they know that, it's no secret I argue but people who know me know that I can argue with someone but still respect them and enjoy their company.

respected enough - incorrect
On what field? BnG? yes. Darts? Yes. Having passion for what you do? Yes. Your overall personality? No.

This is pretty much the same as the last point, my overall personality is mostly kind and generous, hardworking and passionate, if you were to weigh all the good things i've said and done against all the bad, good would be miles ahead.

I'm not really sure if you could hold yourself. Of course you promise you would until you'll have a bad day or someone disagrees with you and you'll lose it. and we've all seen it when you lose it.

I can't force you to think otherwise, it's who you are to be skeptical, not a bad quality.

This is from the last BnG complaint, very recently:

If a MOD voids this game because of vesuvios hide, then not only are they completely stupid

Nevermind leave the thread you should leave the f@#!ing planet.

Yes, 2 or 3, maybe 4 or 5 tops, which is less than the amount of people who have said you are an annoying c**t.

let's say all of it are true, still that's not the way a moderator responds.

The 1st one, I stand by the fact I feel it's an idiotic solution to void the game because both myself and vesuvio pointed out it wasn't a true darkside by the TuS rules, even avirex admited that, and the last 2 quotes are arguing with avirex, you act like we actually want to kill each other, it's clear we respect each other we've said it many times can't you see that? It's just like 2 guys sitting in the pub making fun of each other...

Why don't you start by showing us you can "change" ? Post in the complaint board and show me how long you can hold it. That includes your posts in the rest of the forum. (not only complaints board)

I can do that of course but I feel by the time you actually start to believe it, it will be too late.

[nino]

MI got some valid points here indeed, but same goes to the candidates, both sides are "right" .

And I Have a direct question to the big boss, MI.

Why do not pay to see?

What you gonna lose if they prove ur points?

I may be wrong but maybe u r a bit  afraid of they make this work so nice and peoples points on you and say " porra MI see now? told you puto.." and stuff.

Avirex looks like is out,  but Komo still up to be a MOD. 

[ANO]

Komo and Avi are part of the community, being around for years and still playing quite actively... they like have fun with jokes and stuff, talking about porn, asses and tits is not an issue in our part of the world, maybe you don't understand or cannot figure out how it's that and it could be a limit in judging them for how they really are. For me they are two simple guys, that like me and other bunch of dumbs enjoy taking things from the funny and sarcastic prospective... but when it goes down to the serious level, I am a PRO f@#!ing man, and at work I am stronger than a rock. But I am the kind of guy that in the free time, even at work, I enjoy life.. and I enjoy it in my anal way, but I do my f@#!ing job, working 15 hours per day.
Do what you want, community wants that, ... but this community it seems to be quite vertical, you, MI, on top and than you go down super fast to the slave prospective. ... that's not nice... it's pretty egoistic.

[DarkOne]

In the hierarchy you describe, MI would ban anyone that disagreed with him and he certainly wouldn't take the time to post his reasons.
15 hours a day is a lot. Expains a lot about your posting here.

[ANO]

I start before 8, finish normally in the evening..  a lot of pauses, especially when I am in shooting sessions... that's it... no time to play anymore, but I like posting here. Is that a problem? don't think I have to explain anything though...

I understand Avi has already given up... it's pretty stupid continuing arguing on this. do whatever you want. for me it has no sense, they should have their possibility and the league will probably benefit form that. but you guys think yu're doing so well and yu don't need anyone...

have fun, i don't play anymore, i don't know what's going on in ag... i just see that both avi and komo are still playing... more than you and MI...