No Rules BnG - It's the right thing to do.

[HHC]

It depends on what you're aiming for. I felt like trying to create a BnG-game with no rules, and no other restrictions.

no rules BnG, with only 1 rule, and that is an agreed distance which opponents must hide from each other

That's 1rBnG  

(not to mention the fact that games must be hosted on special maps).

Your NrBnG is pretty much exactly like the old league BnG. Sure you can move around and throw cheap shots now, but the game is just a copy of the old thing: layer of land, trees on it, 1 guy on each side and ping-pong, ping-pong, ping-pong, ping-p'yawn'g.
I don't think it will make more players play BnG, not me that's for sure  

..

Anyway, I'm gonna keep on working on my scheme, and maybe release it in a default-schemes map pack later (with other schemes that truly have no special rules). I know it will never be accepted as a league scheme, np at that.

[TheKomodo]

Omg HHC 1rBnG is an awesome name ! That's going to be the name of my 1rBnG cup xD

COMING SOON ! MWUahuAHuahuhauUa !

[Abnaxus]

In response to Ramone:
Cba & Afr in Shopper sucks, why ?

Cba: Feel free to not take a crate before attacking, but I wonder how you'll attack without any weapons.
Afr: Feel free to attack from floor, you'll lose time leaving your rope and being able to move/attack from floor.

Those 2 rules are senseless. Except for newbies who need more than 1 turn to use the weapon they just grabed.

[darKz]

Reading avis posts cracks me up. Listen to that old man!! xD

Honestly though, exterminating the rules in league schemes is something that had to be done like yeeears ago already..

[Peja]

The scheme is called NrBnG, it shouldn't have any other weapons lol, it shouldn't have cluster bombs, it shouldn't have parachute and it shouldn't have bungee, you are making a completely different scheme with this lol. It sounds nice, but it definately isn't NrBnG.

Imo, it should be the way it is, with no rules, hence, NrBnG, the name lol.

The scheme I had was the TuS BnG scheme, I put 15s hotseat time, for time to think if you gonna hide/shoot/bank/what shot you gonna use etc, inf tele, inf fp, inf drill, inf girder, bazooka, grenade, LG, Unanchored, 0s retreat, the maps I use are the t17 cavern map, delete top, fill bottom, pick maps with big dips in land and holes etc so the objects make some interesting hides, also protects against notching/sitters/etc, the best textures so far are, desert, tentacles, hell, tribal.

-forest sucks for this, not enough hides.

The reason I like it like this, when I play people for example, surgeon/lacoste/ramone/pranksta etc, we will try lots of trick shots etc, if I were to play against a notcher or someone who knows how too, and will, for example Random/darKz/Anubis/Mablak, then I will notch  (funny how they all German lol, j/k lol, but it is a coincedence haha, I know Mab is American, but his eyebrows are German, for real).

I don't see how this "laming" is such a big fuss, and I honestly feel like a stupid twat for moaning about it all these years, BnG should be no holds barred, you can learn how to notch, you can learn how to do easy nades to beat other players who play like this, a notcher vs a notcher will be a much more interesting game to watch, than 2 people who think they own cuz they hit 1 trick shot, for half damage, every 5-10 shots, or players like k1ng/roperz/maciej (no offence) who only know what is in my opinion 3-4 basic shots that they have practised over and over and every BnG is basically exactly the same shots over and over, no movement, just boring.

What is more skillful? Think about it? Being able to beat anybody with multiple styles, mastering the grenade/bazooka in every way possible to combat any situation, or being able to throw about 3-4 different kinds of shots successfully, and hitting "trick shots" once in a blue moon?

I've played about 100 NrBnG's in the last 1-2 weeks, and i've had the most fun BnG'n than I ever have, especially with Kyho and Casso, they both loved it, there were no complaints about being cheap, you didn't have to worry about accidentally doing something wrong, or falling out with a good friend because of a grenade that accidentally was a sitter, or for repeating a shot because you were both at 5hp and both really didn't want to lose, for the 1st time in a long time, I was able to get to know the person I was playing, not play like a f@#!ing robot and bore everyone, I even got plopped in 1 shot in 1 game, cuz I walked to a safe place, it's so exciting, and unpredictable.

At least think of it this way, all you haters, what do you think will appeal more to new players? People like k1ng/maciej, and what used to be myself, complaining about lame shots etc, telling you that you MUST play by their standards, which makes you feel like a total noob and like you are being treated like a child, or being able to do whatever you want, you might lose, but at least you got to do whatever you wanted to and you will enjoy it way more and maybe take an interest to it.

I definately see BnG becoming massively successful if NrBnG becomes the new classic scheme in Leagues, and I will support this no matter what, I will personally fund it and put as much time as possible into promoting it, I will do anything because I KNOW this is the right thing to do for this scheme.

I will still be running a2b for everyone who wouldn't want to play NrBnG, but would still support it, for the sake of the majority of players who want NrBnG.

I am begging you, please give it a chance...

And aamof it's even better for trick shots, cuz you can move around, if you see a cool shot, you don't have to waste a turn to tele and maybe get hit, a nice bank get ruined etc.

really nice post komo,  i hope we will see nrbng as a league scheme soon.

[ShyGuy]

Reading avis posts cracks me up. Listen to that old man!! xD

Honestly though, exterminating the rules in league schemes is something that had to be done like yeeears ago already..

speaking of this, why can't you rope/bungee knock in t17 and elite? bungee knocking requires some creativity and skill, and using a rope to knock is making a big sacrifice, so why aren't they allowed?

[Maciej]

I was too lazy to read another long and boring love story by Komo, I just took a look where he mentioned me.
I like bng, but I don't use much freestyle shots too much in league, because it's league, I just focus on 3 sec, 5 sec LG and zook of course which is hunderts of ways. Sometimes I use some bounce nades, 4 sec LG, last time I even used 4 sec max (ekhm notch? I didn't know what it is, just asked Dulek after read this topic, and I still can't imagine how ppl could use it, do they see the distance using rule? oO)
And ye, it's so boring... let ppl use 5 sec nade each turn, the first hit person will never get out of the hole which will be done by granades this way (or they will have to move each turn, again and again)
It's not us who have problem, but you, mr Best who needs changes, but at once is not going to play league anymore, so pathetic (ah, and few unskilled noobs, but who the f@#! care about them)

[darKz]

speaking of this, why can't you rope/bungee knock in t17 and elite? bungee knocking requires some creativity and skill, and using a rope to knock is making a big sacrifice, so why aren't they allowed?

If I'm not mistaken that's because Elite and Team17 had ranked channels back in 2000-ish where rope knocking was disabled by default, much like in #PartyTime. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Didn't bother reading Maciejs post btw, it's most likely just crap anyway.

[Abnaxus]

And aamof it's even better for trick shots, cuz you can move around, if you see a cool shot, you don't have to waste a turn to tele and maybe get hit, a nice bank get ruined etc.

Yeah, come on and play my Stylish BnG ! As far as I can remember, many people loved it on WO. :]

[Chicken23]

It's much more talented than a2b, when 2 great players meet.

For example, if me and darKz were to play each other it would more than likely turn into a banking war, because we can notch perfect without missing if it's unanchored, making it harder to hit, than normal BnG.

Are you saying this is what is lacking in current bng as in this is a good thing?

I think banking wars would be amazing and that can happen in current bng without the creation of a new scheme that doesn't prompt learning a nice style and variation of shots.

As i keep saying throughout my posts... make clear views about what is right and wrong, don't be affaird to bank, hide and use griders or teleport behind a worm.. These things used to happen in older versions of bng's.. playing this way is fine and avoid the problem of notching and 'cheap' stlying because you are creating a culture that promotes more tactical placements and shot selection.

If the latest sports car has a problem and its not going aswell as expected, it isnt destoried and built again designed on the ford model T.

[Aerox]

French policy should be applied to BnG: if you can notch you're guilty unless you yourself can prove otherwise, failure to do so will see you suspended from playing BnG for two seasons and stripped of any trophies you might have achieved in regards to the scheme.

[Husk]

speaking of this, why can't you rope/bungee knock in t17 and elite? bungee knocking requires some creativity and skill, and using a rope to knock is making a big sacrifice, so why aren't they allowed?

If I'm not mistaken that's because Elite and Team17 had ranked channels back in 2000-ish where rope knocking was disabled by default, much like in #PartyTime. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Didn't bother reading Maciejs post btw, it's most likely just crap anyway.

I totally agree with u shy

I totally agree with u darkz

[Ramone]

@avi and crazy
Of course my opinion doesn't matter when it comes to TUS league, don't U think I'm aware of that?
But I ain't talking about the league. U have forgot that this game ain't only about TUS league, there's a bunch of ppl that don't play it. The thing that bugs me is the idea to completely replace current BnG with nrBnG here and imo that would affect completely way of playing BnG on Wnet, not only TUS league. Imo in a long term it would downgrade quality and needed skills for the scheme. New players will never develop crucial skills for BnG if they were allowed to constantly throw 4sec fp repeaters, straight zooks and sitters and only play ftw. Yes, they will develop the skill in some other way, but BnG as it is now would be crippled. And Crazy, it's not just the "current scheme". It's a scheme that have been played for the last 6 years as much as I'm playing, and a few years before that as I know..  Is 6 or 8 years smth that's new and current? I don't get it, U and avi are talking like I'm playing it for 3 months. Am I a fool to protest when someone wants to kill a scheme that I play and enjoy for 6 years?

And yes avi, there's more culture in BnG in last 6 years then there's culture from 2001-2004 when U were hitting your opponents with straight zooks and zero skills at it. I was not there back then, but ppl that was have told me on which level was BnG at the time, it was a big pile of shit comparing it to the current BnG skill quallity, really nothing to be proud of.

[avirex]

the funny thing is, you still have no idea wtf your talking about...

im just going to nod and smile.

[ShyGuy]

@avi and crazy
Imo in a long term it would downgrade quality and needed skills for the scheme. New players will never develop crucial skills for BnG if they were allowed to constantly throw 4sec fp repeaters, straight zooks and sitters and only play ftw.

exactly what other schemes require hitting an enemy with a nade that explodes right on impact?  grenades in real life aren't meant to be thrown to explode right on impact, and rarely in worms do you have to do that... I know using real life nades is a poor comparison, but come on, what you're saying is totally untrue. you bank and bounce nades in way more schemes than you do exploding them on impact.