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TheKomodo:
 George Carlin talks about the system in America, but it applies to the whole world, and although more people are realizing this, it's a shame more people don't realize it and do something about it:


--- Quote ---“But there’s a reason. There’s a reason. There’s a reason for this, there’s a reason education sucks, and it’s the same reason that it will never, ever, ever be fixed. It’s never gonna get any better. Don’t look for it. Be happy with what you got. Because the owners of this country don't want that. I'm talking about the real owners now, the real owners, the big wealthy business interests that control thin
gs and make all the important decisions. Forget the politicians. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought and paid for the senate, the congress, the state houses, the city halls, they got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear. They got you by the balls. They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying, lobbying, to get what they want. Well, we know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for everybody else, but I'll tell you what they don’t want: They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. Thats against their interests. Thats right. They don’t want people who are smart enough to sit around a kitchen table to figure out how badly they’re getting f@#!ed by a system that threw them overboard 30 f@#!ing years ago. They don’t want that. You know what they want? They want obedient workers. Obedient workers. People who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork, and just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shittier jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime and the vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it, and now they’re coming for your Social Security money. They want your retirement money. They want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street, and you know something? They’ll get it. They’ll get it all from you, sooner or later, 'cause they own this f@#!ing place. It's a big club, and you ain’t in it. You and I are not in the big club. And by the way, it's the same big club they use to beat you over the head with all day long when they tell you what to believe. All day long beating you over the head in their media telling you what to believe, what to think and what to buy. The table is tilted folks. The game is rigged, and nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. Good honest hard-working people -- white collar, blue collar, it doesn’t matter what color shirt you have on -- good honest hard-working people continue -- these are people of modest means -- continue to elect these rich cocksuckers who don’t give a f@#! about them. They don’t give a f@#! about you. They don’t give a f@#! about you. They don't care about you at all -- at all -- at all. And nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. That's what the owners count on; the fact that Americans will probably remain willfully ignorant of the big red, white and blue dick that's being jammed up their assholes everyday. Because the owners of this country know the truth: it's called the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it.”
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Thoughts?

Anubis:
It's not that the people that have a lot of money/possession are evil. In capitalism someone HAS to have more than others that's how it's supposed to work. You sell something for profit to then make even more profit. It's like the average, if someone is above average, someone has to be below average. You can't have one million Michael Jordans, or even thousands of Messis. Everything is in balance, if those people would die for whatever reason then somebody else will take it's place, because it has to be like this with the system we have. What are the alternatives? Communism? I don't think that would end that well either. Maybe we need a system that has a "cap" on profitability. If you own 1 Million worth of property/money, then you are done. You won't need more. Luxuries need to be removed. Nobody needs a 1 million yacht to feel fulfilled. The reason people strive to have so much wealth is because others have so much wealth, it's a infinite race that nobody can win, that's why I think we need a wealth cap to make capitalism less "evil".

Back in WoW Vanilla there used to be a gold cap per character. 214,748 gold 36 silver and 47 copper. That was the maximum amount of gold you could have. There was no point screwing over people anymore on the AH or in Trade. You were done. I think a cap like this would be excellent for the world.

HHC:
The world is not a video game Anu. A cap won't work at all cause it's impossible to implement. As it is now people just move their money elsewhere, invest it in material goods, land, property, or even illegal personal loans.

Carlin is right that the current system leads to excesses. But I think he's gone a little overboard with the whole 'rich people's conspiracy against the working sobs'. That rich guy is just like you komo, he's no different, he's just looking after his interests.
And one of his interests is a peaceful society with law abiding citizes. To make that happen you gotta re-distribute the wealth, or at least make sure enough people share in the wealth. That's why the Marxist theory of 'Verellendung' doesn't work.. the system itself may have a tendency to increase the gap between rich and poor, but there's enough reason not to let the poor starve to death.

The vast majority of people now live like landlords did in the 19th century. There has never been a time in history where the poor were better off than they are now.

STRGRN:

--- Quote from: Anubis on September 05, 2019, 12:05 PM ---Back in WoW Vanilla there used to be a gold cap per character. 214,748 gold 36 silver and 47 copper. That was the maximum amount of gold you could have. There was no point screwing over people anymore on the AH or in Trade. You were done. I think a cap like this would be excellent for the world.

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yeah but this doesn't work irl because of economic growth and eventually there would be more wealth in the world than the cap of all people combined

also what hhc said

Anubis:

--- Quote from: HHC on September 05, 2019, 12:34 PM ---The world is not a video game Anu. A cap won't work at all cause it's impossible to implement. As it is now people just move their money elsewhere, invest it in material goods, land, property, or even illegal personal loans.

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You have to control the greed of humans, obviously people would try to circumvent the cap. People did so in the game as well by creating new characters, it's nothing I didn't consider. Luxuries need to be banned, is there a practical use to have expensive cars or yachts? None at all. Remove incentive to be wealthy. The people want to be wealthy because you can buy something fancy with it and it often (always) also means more power.. If there literally was just basic entertainment and food/shelter there would be no need to earn so much money. And if you want to argue "it creates jobs, luxuries are important", we have plenty of work/jobs available. There is a gigantic part of humanity still starving, bad infrastructure etc. All these useless products for the 1% could be spent on labor that benefit the poor.


--- Quote from: HHC on September 05, 2019, 12:34 PM ---The vast majority of people now live like landlords did in the 19th century. There has never been a time in history where the poor were better off than they are now.

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Here some facts: Nearly 1/2 of the world's population — more than 3 billion people — live on less than $2.50 a day. More than 1.3 billion live in extreme poverty — less than $1.25 a day. 1 billion children worldwide are living in poverty.

VAST MAJORITY my ass. Landlords didn't have to worry about food, or having clothes.

I laugh at anyone saying "we are fine". In fact I would spit on them for such a statement in-front of me.

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