Played my last game of BnG today

[HHC]

I'm afraid of learning to notch.
Because I like to hit my opponent. And I think playing by instinct is genuine. And I admire that.
But if I learned how to notch, it would be kinda impossible not to do it.
I feel a bit of shame even when using parts of the map to remember my angle.

BnG should be played with infinite teleports, maybe power 1 shotgun (for making hides) and on random double cave maps (with top erased and bottom cave filled, maximum objects).

I played a BnG on a normal island map a while ago and it was pretty sweet. It was definitely a more challenging environment. It turned to crap when one team ran out of teles and a worm landed on the bottom in an impo spot... but basically, just playing on an island (with more variation in depth) and anchor disabled... it could make for a nice game. Add infinite teles to it to prevent people from getting piled (they can just tele away), and you should, in essence, have a pretty sweet form of BnG, without rules or ethical considerations. More like BnG in Elite I guess.

[Cueshark]

I'm afraid of learning to notch.
Because I like to hit my opponent. And I think playing by instinct is genuine. And I admire that.
But if I learned how to notch, it would be kinda impossible not to do it.
I feel a bit of shame even when using parts of the map to remember my angle.

BnG should be played with infinite teleports, maybe power 1 shotgun (for making hides) and on random double cave maps (with top erased and bottom cave filled, maximum objects).

You are a credit to the worms world with that attitude.

[Aerox]

I've been saying this for the last 5 years. Unanchored BnG takes care of most of the scheme problems. It's only those who know how to notch, which obviously happen to be the best BnGers who strongly argue agaisnt it. They are willing to give in in other forms of Bng scheme, but never to unanchored.

[fr4nk]

I've been saying this for the last 5 years. Unanchored BnG takes care of most of the scheme problems. It's only those who know how to notch, which obviously happen to be the best BnGers who strongly argue agaisnt it. They are willing to give in in other forms of Bng scheme, but never to unanchored.

Yeah unanchored worms could be great.
Anyway, if notch is allowed and it's a part of the game, there shouldn't be a problem making a guide here in this forum.
New players would appreciate it and there would be more challenge. Someone has time for that?

[Aerox]

Anyway, if notch is allowed and it's a part of the game, there shouldn't be a problem making a guide here in this forum.
New players would appreciate it and there would be more challenge. Someone has time for that?

This is the thing, I've asked many of them countless times to do the exact same thing. You know what the answer was? That on the hands of everyone it would be out of control, because apparently, notchers live in a pedestal high in the heavens, see they know how to notch but only use it when it's morally right to do it. Bullshit. Notchers could come clean, but none of them dares step up, because it remains, they're aware of their advantage against the average, and they want that to remain intact.

[Dub-c]

I've been saying this for the last 5 years. Unanchored BnG takes care of most of the scheme problems. It's only those who know how to notch, which obviously happen to be the best BnGers who strongly argue agaisnt it. They are willing to give in in other forms of Bng scheme, but never to unanchored.

If you had a clue about what you are talking about, you would realize that unachored bng would benefit notchers.

[Chicken23]

unach and retreat time lol.

on the subject of maps, its only past 5 years or so that they've been flat maps, it was normal for them to be made from the 1 island and all the sides were nice darksiding spots for zooks and grider placements. Notchers would have no idea how to attack these and force players to learn zook curl zooks etc (stuff you see in hysteria)..

Its not just the style of aimming that has changed and the creation of notching, it is also the environment and ideas of how the game should be played that changed.

[cOke]

I've been saying this for the last 5 years. Unanchored BnG takes care of most of the scheme problems. It's only those who know how to notch, which obviously happen to be the best BnGers who strongly argue agaisnt it. They are willing to give in in other forms of Bng scheme, but never to unanchored.

If you had a clue about what you are talking about, you would realize that unachored bng would benefit notchers.

this. get with it ropa.

[Aerox]

If you had a clue about what you are talking about, you would realize that unachored bng would benefit notchers.

this. get with it ropa.

The point of unanchored is that hides are much more darksideish on almost every turn thus most of the time you're using bounce shots (either bounce from starting position which you cannot notch, or a shot that you notch to a point you expect it to bounce off to your opponent which makes it less effective either way) and relying on creativity and knowledge of game's physics thus making it more even for a notcher against a non notcher.

You can argue this for pages for all I care, I rather everyone that uses notching and defends it as legit would come clean and tell those who don't know what the deal is, what's the loss? You still consider yourselves good bng players right? Nothing or otherwise that is. I mean, I could even understand it if you guys figured it out, but come on, really? What's the excuse here? I'm curious, do people really buy such a method not being made public because the lords of bng think it'd ruin the scheme?

[franz]

on flat maps, unanch doesn't change much for notching, except a few darkish hides like ropa mentions. elite style maps with unanch is definitely a different beast, lots more possibilities on these maps.

[Aerox]

flat maps are just another step closer to bng maps consisting on nothing more than two floating pixels in which opponents sit on.

[Mablak]

Nothing should be considered lame in league games, as long as it's legal. There may be exceptions to that of course, but surely using an aspect of the game mechanics that could not possibly be identified as a bug is legal. That is to say, there's no realistic way to identify an act of intentional notching, unlike say, intentionally getting extra angle with your bat. Notching can't be regulated, and is as much a part of the game as say, jumping. Also fr4nk, you and all of us who BnG with feel use notching as well, because our eyes are trained to identify the discrete angles we see.

I used to think notching was going to be an easy 'fix' and it would just disappear in an update, but I've been shown that's really not going to happen, and it's not clear that most people want that to happen. If you guys think it's 'lame' in that it ruins the scheme, then I guess you should just stop considering the scheme skillful, but you shouldn't be blaming players who notch, or those who follow the rules.

You sound like a card counter telling regular Black Jack players to cope with it because your technique can't be detected.

Isn't card counting totally detectable with a good degree of certainty? In any case, card counting is forbidden by the rules of the casino, even if you do it undetectably you'd be cheating. Notching isn't forbidden by the rules, not just because it's undetectable, but because even 'feel' BnG incorporates notching. There's no sensible way to make it illegal.

[nappy]

Guys, just deal with it, with the current ways it's played, BnG should not be a league scheme.

[Aerox]

Notching isn't forbidden by the rules, not just because it's undetectable, but because even 'feel' BnG incorporates notching.

An intelligent person like yourself should see clear holes in your defense of this case. For instance, your arguments are void to those who don't know what notching is, because when you claim everyone notches unconsciously you need to realize that those that haven't been told how to notch are totally alien to what you're saying, so in practice, the defense of notching can only be conceived by those who notch conscientiously proving that they are totally different things and thus making it, at least, questionable that you make such argument to defend notching.

There's no sensible way to make it illegal

There is a sensible way, however, to stop drawing the line were you see fit. Illegal and unsportsmanlike mean totally different thing, yet if you either, the result is you being a jerk. And the term is indeed unsportsmanlike because the ability to notch wasn't given to notchers through ability, effort and training, it was given by friends or clanmmates with one simple goal in mind: win more. I think this is a very basic principle everyone can agree to and the reason why people tend to dislike notchers.

And you (notchers who defend the privacy of notching) have an easy way out all the criticism, come clean, explain what's up. But you choose not to which does nothing but enlarge the thought that the secrecy is there to protect something very precious to you, win rating. What other choices are you giving them anyway? I'd say none.


edit: The cards example wasn't so simple. Let me rephrase it with a question: do you know the reasons why card counting is illegal? Do you understand why it is that way? Try and apply the same line of judgment, there's many things in common: defeats the purpose of the game by changing the way you play it, only accessible to certain people, you can use it a lot, use it not so much and unconscionably use it, and last but not least, gives you an unfair advantage over those who don't.

[Prankster]

[...] the ability to notch wasn't given to notchers through ability, effort and training, it was given by friends or clanmmates [...]

I personally never practiced notching, but since I know the way it's build, I'd say that's bullshit. Every shot can be notched, not only 4sfp. Different distances need different powers, different shots make different curves, etc..