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Started by DENnis, October 23, 2010, 05:02 PM

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Do you want to have more schemes?

Yes.
12 (30%)
No.
19 (47.5%)
I don't care.
9 (22.5%)

Total Members Voted: 40

franz

Quote from: avirex on October 26, 2010, 09:28 PM
komo brings up an excellent point.. id say we remove bng from classic league, and place it into free league :D

hahaha +1 for that one av.. imagine komo's reaction

Crazy

Lol komo you are the best ever when it comes to contradicting yourself  :D

Anubis

Umm, didn't he say that the only reason schemes should be in the Classic league because they are fun and competitive. He never said that it has to be popular, and in this case BnG is fun and competitive but not as popular as the other classic schemes. Can't see what's wrong with that statement.  :-X

Sometimes I think I am the only one that understands Komo. xD

NinjaCamel

"komo brings up an excellent point.. id say we remove bng from classic league, and place it into free league"

;P
"since most people tend to the order side, its my job to spread chaos" -peja

ShyGuy

#79
I only played free league once, but yeah... any scheme should be valid there.

as for classic league:

I am shocked that there are even 3 serious supporters for SSR for the classic league... a scheme  that focuses on one weapon you seldom see seems like a terrible idea to me.  At least bng you use weapons you see in every scheme except ttrr... the 2 most basic weapons in the game... but supersheep? nah. -1 for SSR

I support 30 second rr... I think it would be a better indicator of skilled ropers, tbh... you also gotta have tactics in that scheme.. think about it... like if you are leading, do you continue to go at a fast pace and risk falling? or just kinda of cruise control it? if you are behind, do you want to try to catch up by rushing and risking falling? or hope for your opponent to fall? +1 for 30 second rr.
  <-- my brain when I clan with avi

avirex

#80
yeah shy... u should have posted that in my 30 second rr topic.. but thats ok....

but thats my point, it can be strategic, and fun... its really kinda fun to actually "race" like we used to, instead of being under a stop watch (in a sense)  

its fun to be behind, and have to catch up, or be in the lead, and try to keep that lead... now that the new patches support big maps people can make maps that will require about 10 fast turns, 12 medium pace turns... those would be very good for league games...

and dont get me wrong, im not saying we remove ttrr all together, but give it an option... ( not not like the w2roper option, thanx anyway MI)

this would will give the hoster the privledge of what scheme he wants... ttrr, or regular rope race....


atleasts lets give it a try... anyone interested in making a couple 8-10 turn rope race maps??

avirex

im going to make another thread, rather then edit post (you can yell at me if u wish, SPW)

one argument seems to have been there will be ties... but that would not be the case on a larger map... on a 10 turn map, i can almost promise there wont be any ties...  and if u really wanna make it interesting and challenging, i would suggest competeing with no parachutes... but that would be something we would have to vote/decide on as a community....

im not sure why no1 has posted on this particular topic yet, but i would like to hear some people views/opinions...

yes komo, even yours :D

Anubis

+1 from me for 30 second RR.

Prankster

Quote from: chakkman on October 25, 2010, 10:51 PM
Actually that has also already been discussed quite a few times. If i remember right MonkeyIsland's point was that it would reduce the activity of each league. Totally agree with that. Really, the point is not to deny any new ideas, it is just that i wonder if people are unhappy with the league as it is now, or if they are into something "new and sexy" (more likely) which becomes boring again when it has grown old. Better to check yourself first before shouting for breaking changes in this league.

That point is right, a new league like this would reduce activity in other leagues, especially classic. But just two more things: 1. I don't care about something is getting boring. There will be new players every time, who will find it "new and sexy". I'm not bored about classic league; never liked it. 2. "shouting for breaking changes"? I came up with an idea, and You came here shouting me down.

Please don't think I am forcing something or i can't take criticism. Make your point, explain it, and see, it's all okay.

avirex! I'm laughin :D

Komo, how do you exactly imagine the all-round standings? Every schemes which someone plays as for a TUS league count? Shouldn't there only be specific schemes which count? I think I understand how do You mean, but not sure how would that give an objective picture of how "all-rounder" a player is. If we specify some schemes which must be played for the all-rounder standings, it will act like a new league. If we don't, then who will tell if I am all-rounder "enough"? :)

TheKomodo

Ok I wanna get this out the way 1st, Crazy, how the HELL did I contradict myself?

Anyway, Shy, whats wrong with SSR? It seems to me alot of people like this idea, the basic principle would be to have a larger variety for classic league, what exactly don't you like about SSR? It IS without a doubt a very skillful and concentrated game and alot of people find it fun to play, as well as being competitive, nothing wrong with that surely?

Prank, the general idea I am thinking about "All-Round League" (ARL for short I guess) would be similar to Classic league for example, everyone has their ratings for the seperate schemes, TTRR, Elite, T17, BnG etc etc, and it all adds up to give your Overall Rank for the Classic league, the same thing would apply to ARL, Your ratings for Classic/TNL/Free would all add up for the ARL Rating.

ShyGuy

ttrr focuses on the rope, something that is essential to the game.
bng focuses on zooks and nades, 2 weapons that are also essential.
ssr focuses on the ss, which doesn't encompass an essential worms weapon, just a cute one.  You only see ss during sd of t17 and elite, and it is usually just a one time use... I don't see why people would want to add ssr to the classic league when it isn't totally vital to being a good wormer... just a cool weapon.  same with bungee race, we never see the bungee usually, so why would we make an entire scheme for something we hardly have to use?

also, ssr is unpopular.
  <-- my brain when I clan with avi

TheKomodo

#86
Quote from: ShyGuy on October 27, 2010, 11:07 AM
ttrr focuses on the rope, something that is essential to the game.
bng focuses on zooks and nades, 2 weapons that are also essential.
ssr focuses on the ss, which doesn't encompass an essential worms weapon, just a cute one.

Ok 1st off i'll ask you, who are you (or anyone else for that matter) to decide what is and isn't essential? You can only THINK it is or isn't essential as an opinion, but not as a fact.

Every weapon and every utility is "essential" just as much as NO weapon is essential to this game for example.

SS is an "essential" weapon to use in Elite for example, playing lots of SSR would improve your ability for crucial SS shots where it's hard to reach them, probably around 95% at LEAST TuS Elites at least 1 player has SS selected as their Super Weapon, i'd say this is a pretty "essential" skill to have, you can also use them in WxW/Shopper/T17.

I honestly don't think you have thought this through shy, I ain't trying to start a fight so please don't come back with a pissy attitude, do you see where I am coming from with this point?

Right now it just looks like you just don't like SSR as a scheme, as a personal opinion and your opinion seems a bit biased by this instead of waiting and taking into account how many others DO like SSR.


avirex

Komo.... Shys points about ss not being an essential weapon as much as zook\ nades\ and rope is the truth... He also said exactly what u said.. Its used once in elites... Lol...... So why would we base an entire league scheme around this weapon...  For free league it would be great.. And fun... But come on dude... Classic league? I dont think its a good idea either... And if he comes bac with a pissy attitude its well deserved after u said `who are you` or whatever u said...  Its only shys opinions and he stated it with facts to back his opinion up... But yet again u feel as ur opinion holds more weight then anyone elses.. U need to stop that bullshit... And as far as u asking crazy when u contradicted ur self.. Lol... When DIDNT u??? Ur the king of contradiction.. Aand thats no opinion... That a fact... We should call u komotradiction..

TheKomodo

#89
avi, he said rope is essential to the game, it isn't -  the game does NOT depend on rope.

Same goes with bazooka and grenade.

And I said, who are you (or anyone else) to say what is and isn't essential to the game, which is right, shyguy, or anyone else does NOT get to decide what is essential to the game, THIS is a fact, what he said isn't a fact, yes SSR is unpopular, but like I already said, BnG is unpopular too, but it is still a fun and competitive scheme for alot of people, most people like BnG, they just prefer other schemes and they are better at other schemes, so I think SSR WOULD be a good addition as I know for a fact people would pick it, maybe even more so than they would pick BnG, what's so wrong about that? Not everyone has to pick it, but most people ARE good enough with SS to actually win them in a Playoff pick, if not, then they should pick the schemes they ARE good at.

So actually it's ME who has facts and not opinions, cuz these are facts not opinions (except the part about me assuming people would play SSR more than BnG, that's just an assumption).

And will you seriously stop assuming I think my opinion holds weight over anyone elses, I haven't put shy down, or insulted him, i've put my facts against his and asked for his input on that, if I done as you say I do I wouldn't be asking, i'd be telling, and I ain't so stop spreading rumors and sh*t that ain't true.

avi, if you have something to say about this and not just "i don't think it's a good idea" if you don't think it's a good idea, please say why and be specific and try and raise some good points while you are at it.

Stop trying to flame me in every thread I post in, I asked shy something not you, so why don't you let him speak for himself instead of always holding his hand...

Also he says this:

Quote from: ShyGuy on October 27, 2010, 11:07 AMYou only see ss during sd of t17 and elite, and it is usually just a one time use... I don't see why people would want to add ssr to the classic league when it isn't totally vital to being a good wormer... just a cool weapon. so why would we make an entire scheme for something we hardly have to use?

You say you only see it as a 1 time use in an Elite, ok, fair enough, but how many Elites do people go through? Some people go through up to 20 a day funners and leagues/clanners, so they are actually using the SS quite frequent, so saying make a scheme for something you hardly have to use is a pretty bad point as you do actually use it quite alot if you think about it properly.

Using rope isn't vital to being a good wormer, being good at elite isn't vital to being a good wormer, being good with a bazooka and a grenade isn't vital to being a good wormer, nothing is vital to being a good wormer, and actually everyone must see "being a good wormer" different to one another, I personally think being a good wormer is someone who is nice to have a game with, follows the rules and knows how to play, regardless of how good they are because everyone has potential and everyone eventually learns how to do it to the best of their ability.

I honestly think being good with the SS is as crucial as being good with anything else, i've seen SO many games where that ONE SS has lost a game, and one miss with a bazooka or a grenade, or one slip up in a roper or TTRR hasn't lost a game.

So actually in my opinion SS is actually more of a crucial skill you would want to be perfect at rather than the rest, in terms of Elites and some other schemes at least.