You must be the main person who runs NNN? if not, isn't that Dario? shouldn't he be asking this, or do you have his permission?
This might be a better conversation in private between MonkeyIsland and whoever is in charge at NNN. send him a pm or find him on msn maybe
You must be the main person who runs NNN? if not, isn't that Dario? shouldn't he be asking this, or do you have his permission?
This might be a better conversation in private between MonkeyIsland and whoever is in charge at NNN. send him a pm or find him on msn maybe
Do you really think they didnt discuss it inhouse before announcing it here?
And another thing is, that case has around 1 year now and MI and other NNN's know the situation, the question is sent to TUS community.
The question is: you TUS, how would you accept that? Do you think it worth it? Uneccessary, a must, superfluous, feel sick? Can it bring the big community together, complete with an intermediate scheme which has almost 6000 games/years - or will it create inner problems?
You must be the main person who runs NNN? if not, isn't that Dario? shouldn't he be asking this, or do you have his permission?
This might be a better conversation in private between MonkeyIsland and whoever is in charge at NNN. send him a pm or find him on msn maybe
I afraid you misunderstood me. NNN and TUS lives well stand alone, it was just a question if you TUS like it or not (this question isn't mine, not even an NNN guy :)). Or what is your opinion. But so far, only we NNNs was asked about it, and TUS haven't. And this affect the whole WA community - that's why me and MI won't do it off our own bat.
And yes, I'm the creator/maintainer of NNN system.
You must be the main person who runs NNN? if not, isn't that Dario? shouldn't he be asking this, or do you have his permission?
This might be a better conversation in private between MonkeyIsland and whoever is in charge at NNN. send him a pm or find him on msn maybe
Dario is a pawn ;)
Kilo is real boss of NNN, like a godfather :D
I wonder why you guys changed your mind.
http://www.normalnonoobs.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=797
NNN merging with TUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FTW!!
I wonder why you guys changed your mind.
http://www.normalnonoobs.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=797
exactly. Now Koras, down on your knees.
I wonder why you guys changed your mind.
http://www.normalnonoobs.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=797
I wonder why you guys changed your mind.
http://www.normalnonoobs.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=797
http://www.normalnonoobs.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=686
Worms is one the most unique games I have ever played.I don't think I can stop playing this.It's kind of illness,lol.
We've not changed our mind, we're simply asking what people of the TUS community think since we've heard only some of them talking about the merge so far.I wonder why you guys changed your mind.
http://www.normalnonoobs.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=797
http://www.normalnonoobs.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=686
That's not an answer. Look what I have wrote long time ago about worms at CWT forums, lol.QuoteWorms is one the most unique games I have ever played.I don't think I can stop playing this.It's kind of illness,lol.
Rofl, it only took one year to realize :)
https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/announcements/tnl-game-play/
I wonder why you guys changed your mind.
http://www.normalnonoobs.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=797
Interesting, All hall Kilolol, it have to be fake :D
(http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/3180/tusnnnwinwin.jpg)
I think the main reason for this thread should be for benefit of the Intermediate scheme and, by consequence, the WA overall community.
NNN is not a common clan. They are a clan that represents a whole and important part of the WA community. I really respect their history and all that they did for Intermediate scheme. But we can't live being completely faithful to the past traditions but we should adapt to our present, keeping the future in mind.
So I think that NNN should stops to have their separate site and, probably forum, and merge it to TUS. Why? To achieve a much high number of people playing, seriously and in a high level, the Intermediate scheme. Among other reasons. I'll try to explain.
Open Normal League (ONL) acitvity is not doing bad. At least, their admins are not unhappy with their activity, but I'm sure that, being Intermediate lovers like they are, they would like to have as much activity as possible. I think that is a real important part of what define the success of the ONL. Quality of the game, can be bring by consequence of the higher activity. So, to be clear, with this merge, we all could aim for a significant higher activity for the Inter scheme.
People, by default, are lazy to deal in a daily basis with different sites, systems, building a nice profile in different systems, etc and they tend to be faithful only to the system that they like more. Unfortunately or not, the design and the looks are a major reason in our nowadays world. It's my opinion and despite some contrary opinions, I think its consensual that the majority of WA players prefer the TUS design than the NNN site.
Also, the Intermediate scheme is a wonderful scheme, but others are too and, they could achieve and aim to have more TUS regular people that like so much or more, other schemes to play an Inter league just because it is hosted in TUS site and they are familiar with it.
You could say, but TUS already had the TNL and it was not successful. But it's not hard to understand that it happened due to ONL existence and because it kept their main and real pros players. Also because, an Inter league should not be played with some other regular ranking TUS league. The ladder ranking system of ONL is almost perfect for an Inter league. This is hard to explain, but if you play it for some time, you will understand it.
If we look from TUS Inter cups, we see some TUS regular players that play in it, that usually don't play at ONL. For ones who are yet with doubts that ONL at TUS could achieve a significant better activity than ONL has nowadays, think that if TUS didn't organizes TEL but it was NNNs who would hosted an Elite league at their site. Am I the only one that thinks they wouldn't have 1/4 of the acitvity that TEL has now? I think not.
There was a time where different separate communities existed with their own separate leagues. But please, it's very important, check this stats: http://stats.worms2d.info/ (http://stats.worms2d.info/). Did you noticed that since 2002/2003, the number of games hosted was constant but low until the middle of 2007, and after it had a great grow until 2010 and stabilized during 2010? This grow can be due to different reasons but, for sure it is also due to TUS appearance. It happened when TUS appeared and started to pump. So, this is another proof that with a single but global domain, for all communities and competitions, we can achieve a great success for the WA overall community.
NNNs are a clan that are used to decide their own life and they represent a very important part of the history of this game, such as in the present. So, the afraid of a lost of power to decide the format and whatever they think that could be good for Intermediate scheme, is completely understandable. I don't defend any merge! But a merge that preserve the singularities of the NNN clan and the all Intermediate community. The ladder ranking system should be the same or as much similar as possible, they should kept all the power and control of any Intermediate competition, like kick an asshole that would appear at that competitions for example, their own part of the forum with their respective private section. Aswell as many many things. Kilo and MI should plan and manage it carefully to store all data that are at NNN site and forum, etc etc.
It would give a lot of work, probably it could not be perfect, but for sure it would be worthy and the outcome, as an Intermediate player and a WA player, would be great!
I think the main reason for this thread should be for benefit of the Intermediate scheme and, by consequence, the WA overall community.
NNN is not a common clan. They are a clan that represents a whole and important part of the WA community. I really respect their history and all that they did for Intermediate scheme. But we can't live being completely faithful to the past traditions but we should adapt to our present, keeping the future in mind.
So I think that NNN should stops to have their separate site and, probably forum, and merge it to TUS. Why? To achieve a much high number of people playing, seriously and in a high level, the Intermediate scheme. Among other reasons. I'll try to explain.
Open Normal League (ONL) acitvity is not doing bad. At least, their admins are not unhappy with their activity, but I'm sure that, being Intermediate lovers like they are, they would like to have as much activity as possible. I think that is a real important part of what define the success of the ONL. Quality of the game, can be bring by consequence of the higher activity. So, to be clear, with this merge, we all could aim for a significant higher activity for the Inter scheme.
People, by default, are lazy to deal in a daily basis with different sites, systems, building a nice profile in different systems, etc and they tend to be faithful only to the system that they like more. Unfortunately or not, the design and the looks are a major reason in our nowadays world. It's my opinion and despite some contrary opinions, I think its consensual that the majority of WA players prefer the TUS design than the NNN site.
Also, the Intermediate scheme is a wonderful scheme, but others are too and, they could achieve and aim to have more TUS regular people that like so much or more, other schemes to play an Inter league just because it is hosted in TUS site and they are familiar with it.
You could say, but TUS already had the TNL and it was not successful. But it's not hard to understand that it happened due to ONL existence and because it kept their main and real pros players. Also because, an Inter league should not be played with some other regular ranking TUS league. The ladder ranking system of ONL is almost perfect for an Inter league. This is hard to explain, but if you play it for some time, you will understand it.
If we look from TUS Inter cups, we see some TUS regular players that play in it, that usually don't play at ONL. For ones who are yet with doubts that ONL at TUS could achieve a significant better activity than ONL has nowadays, think that if TUS didn't organizes TEL but it was NNNs who would hosted an Elite league at their site. Am I the only one that thinks they wouldn't have 1/4 of the acitvity that TEL has now? I think not.
There was a time where different separate communities existed with their own separate leagues. But please, it's very important, check this stats: http://stats.worms2d.info/ (http://stats.worms2d.info/). Did you noticed that since 2002/2003, the number of games hosted was constant but low until the middle of 2007, and after it had a great grow until 2010 and stabilized during 2010? This grow can be due to different reasons but, for sure it is also due to TUS appearance. It happened when TUS appeared and started to pump. So, this is another proof that with a single but global domain, for all communities and competitions, we can achieve a great success for the WA overall community.
NNNs are a clan that are used to decide their own life and they represent a very important part of the history of this game, such as in the present. So, the afraid of a lost of power to decide the format and whatever they think that could be good for Intermediate scheme, is completely understandable. I don't defend any merge! But a merge that preserve the singularities of the NNN clan and the all Intermediate community. The ladder ranking system should be the same or as much similar as possible, they should kept all the power and control of any Intermediate competition, like kick an asshole that would appear at that competitions for example, their own part of the forum with their respective private section. Aswell as many many things. Kilo and MI should plan and manage it carefully to store all data that are at NNN site and forum, etc etc.
It would give a lot of work, probably it could not be perfect, but for sure it would be worthy and the outcome, as an Intermediate player and a WA player, would be great!
n1 read it ? :D
All I did this just because of Ivo - he accused us selfishness, he left NNN because of that, and after some days I had to realize it's still disturbing his soul (I hope you know what I thought of....).I think this does not matter for here, but since you pushed it here...
then I wrote Im able for doing it in the future, but not right now.why this? Could you explain why you say this?
its a nice dream, but it also has serious problems, and technical dangers.Honestly, did you had some chats with MI to conclude it? Wouldn't be him, with your help, that would do the majority of the coding at TUS site? If you really believe it's a nice dream, why don't you stop the work you are having in the present with the development of a brand new ONL site, instead focusing in the effort of the merge?
I dont know why you now demand it, but if you felt OK yourself in OIL, TUS members felt OK with their system, why do you care soo much about WA global community?I think I answered it clearly with my big and bored text. I think with my head and I follow what I believe it's the right path. I can't hide myself inside a clan, if I think that this clan, keeping the main Intermediate competition outside TUS, are "damaging" the scheme potential (to grow in activity) because of some hypothetical desire to be or remain "different". Thing is, beer said a big true when he spoke that humbleness and proud is involved here. We know how some NNNs members talk about some "TUS people" and for me, this type of things are a really bullshit.
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..why do you care soo much about WA global community?
I have hope that what some of us spoke about rivalries, prouds, (lack of) humbleness, one day stop making sense. Because we know that is this who stops the merge. And it's clear which side don't want it.Since his NNN clan exit, it seems he has got new energy to deal with this new hot topic. I just wonder why I didn't heared anything related to this topic while he was our member. Because during his membership he had some influence, now his reactions remember me a bit of a disappointed boy.
Meh, shall I cry or just laugh about Ivos posts? :-*I was wondering when you would do this post, with a personal attack against me. But I knew that would be at your first in this discussion.I have hope that what some of us spoke about rivalries, prouds, (lack of) humbleness, one day stop making sense. Because we know that is this who stops the merge. And it's clear which side don't want it.Since his NNN clan exit, it seems he has got new energy to deal with this new hot topic. I just wonder why I didn't heared anything related to this topic while he was our member. Because during his membership he had some influence, now his reactions remember me a bit of a disappointed boy.
I was wondering when you would do this post, with a personal attack against me. But I knew that would be at your first in this discussion.You're welcome, I hope I didn't disappointed you.
I am disappointed of you, Ivo. There was no sense to mention private topics here.Hey mate, give me an example of a private topic that I spoke more than I should, here, and take into account if it was me who pulled it here.
... believe me, the things that was told me in the discussions that I had, totally justify those words! I just don't want to say more about it, to not follow your style. That's why I spoke in a general way.
Maybe it's a silly question from me, but did you guys already discussed a merge of a2b and TUS?