TUS Roper League - Vote : yes or no ?

[TheKomodo]

Aw give it a rest please Johnny, I never said that and you know I didn't... Gimme a break ffs...

People constantly barrade BnG and I don't speak to them this way, I put together my reasons in a fair honest and I think respectful way...

Why make a poll if you can't take some criticism?

[avirex]

i feel like no matter the discussion, komo will form an opinion, and then put together some long post supporting his opinion, he is a very passionate person, no matter the topic.


i think roper league would be plenty active... i also think i would be rank 1...

i also think that if its the work going into making this roping league that monkeyisland is worried about that, then we should make it on another server... which would suck, because it would split the community a bit (not as much as you would think though, as shyguy pointed out)

but if the work to make the league is not a concern for monkeyisland, then lets atleast give it a try..  like dub said, it will be more active then free league, thats a given.. wil it be as active as TEL? im not sure, thats up for debate... but instead of talking about it (sorry sir) lets just see for ourselves... and make the TRL

its more then obvious ROPER, and ELITE are the main schemes of W:A... so why should elite have a seperate league and not roper??

and yes, i said i think ill be rank 1 !! huaha

[Ramone]

oops sry, wrong topic.. I wanted to post this here: https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/worms-armageddon/which-schemes-should-die-a-painful-death/75/

Edit: cmon don't smite me now, I haven't even voted! ;x

[Dub-c]

i feel like no matter the discussion, komo will form an opinion, and then put together some long post supporting his opinion, he is a very passionate person, no matter the topic.


i think roper league would be plenty active... i also think i would be rank 1...

i also think that if its the work going into making this roping league that monkeyisland is worried about that, then we should make it on another server... which would suck, because it would split the community a bit (not as much as you would think though, as shyguy pointed out)

but if the work to make the league is not a concern for monkeyisland, then lets atleast give it a try..  like dub said, it will be more active then free league, thats a given.. wil it be as active as TEL? im not sure, thats up for debate... but instead of talking about it (sorry sir) lets just see for ourselves... and make the TRL

its more then obvious ROPER, and ELITE are the main schemes of W:A... so why should elite have a seperate league and not roper??

and yes, i said i think ill be rank 1 !! huaha

Yes having the league on a separate place would really suck. Being number 1 on tus roper league would mean more then number 1 on some place no one knows about. I have no idea how hard it would be hopefully Monkey can fill us in on the difficulties. Monkey please dont make me have to www.igl.net.

[TheKomodo]

W/e avi.

I added up the 3 most popular schemes on TuS.

1st: Elite - 6740 picks (give or take around 10)
2nd: Hysteria - 6000 picks (give or take around 10)
3rd: Roper - 5780 picks (give or take around 10)

You can see this, by going to recent games, overall seasons (all), and picking the individual schemes, each page holds 20 games, so just add up the number of pages.

Hysteria is more popular than Roper, and you don't see people asking for a Hysteria league.

Now I know Roper is still active as hell, now while I sit here saying I wouldn't like a Roper League on TuS, I would probably play it now and again if it was available, I wouldn't be super active, but i'd still play some games now and again as Roper is my 2nd favourite scheme, I know Roper is a classic scheme, but that was back then, this is now, it's not as classic as it was before, although it is still an extremely important part of Leagues.

I honestly think adding Roper league, as well as having Elite league already, it wouldn't decrease or split the community, but it would somewhat take away the point and usefulness of having the original All-Round league, what would be the point in playing an All-Round league when everyone could play their favourite scheme instead?

And Johnny, you say: Being number 1 on tus roper league would mean more then number 1 on some place no one knows about.

It should only matter to you and the people involved, no matter where it is hosted, the fact that if it were to exist, should satisfy you enough?

[Dub-c]

Ya but I really like tus, tus' setup and everything about the tus leagues. The convenience of everyone already signed up here would be a huge plus for activity.

Popularity of a scheme going by activity level in tus is also skewed. People pick for points as well as their favorite scheme. Almost 6000 picks is still amazing though and correlates well with reasoning that there should be a roper league.

[avirex]

it amazes me how passionate you are when debates come rolling around...


hysteria is as active as it is, because weaker skilled players pick it so often, they feel that have a better chance at beating an oldschooler/pro in hysteria then anything else..

and how do you say roper was more classic back then, then it is now?? things become classic with age, not activity... c'mon...


anyway, this is my last post here, i dont wanna to debate with you..

my opinion is there should be a roper league, as well as an elite league.. bye

[TheKomodo]

Yeah, I feel the same way about TuS, it has a really nice setup, friendly enviroment (most of the time lol), it's full of extremely talented/ambitious and cool people.

I just feel like if we were to add Roper League as well, we should do it for all schemes, but how could we do that without taking away the whole point and original idea of TuS being All-Round?

Avi, will you stop focusing on what I say and do and how often I do it, or whatever, just concentrate on your side of the arguement without bringing up the past, or your feelings towards me as a person, I don't do it to you.

I say it was more classic back then, cuz that's how I feel, it WAS the most popular scheme years ago, now it isn't, in the last 4-5 seasons, Roper is like 3rd/4th most popular scheme, it is very very slowly kinda dying out or at least being replaced with newer more exciting schemes, which is obviously a shame but that's how life is.

[Dub-c]

Yeah, I feel the same way about TuS, it has a really nice setup, friendly enviroment (most of the time lol), it's full of extremely talented/ambitious and cool people.

I just feel like if we were to add Roper League as well, we should do it for all schemes, but how could we do that without taking away the whole point and original idea of TuS being All-Round?

I see your point and I feel Roper differentiates itself from every other scheme by it being the most classic scheme and that makes it more deserving then those other schemes. But whether those other schemes should have their own league is another debate. Lets talk about a roper league.

[TheKomodo]

But see, that is your opinion, that Roper is the most classic scheme, I don't see it that way, but I do see and respect your opinion.

I see Elite/BnG/Roper all sharing the same level of importance, and being all as "classic" as each other.

I don't think it's a bad idea or anything, I just feel we have enough here at the moment, I honestly think this league is at it's optimal level right now.

[ShyGuy]

If the concerns about adding leagues were

1. the scheme has to be active/popular/whatever
2. don't wanna make too many leagues for schemes that are in the classic league
(these are the 2 points i have been seen thrown around)

then on those 2 points, the bng league would be replaced by the roper league...  I don't see how you can argue that adding leagues for schemes in the classic league will make the all-around league pointless when you run your own bng league.  

I see Elite/BnG/Roper all sharing the same level of importance, and being all as "classic" as each other.

I don't think it's a bad idea or anything, I just feel we have enough here at the moment, I honestly think this league is at it's optimal level right now.

We have an elite and bng league.  roper is more popular than bng, so if there is only room for 2 schemes, then logically bng league should get the ax, unless you concede to making room for 3 leagues

[TheKomodo]

a2b has nothing to do with TuS and has nowhere near the amount of activity, most of the people who play a2b don't even play TuS really.

^^ We just have forums here because M3ntal won't make them on a2b. This was a favour from MI.

There is no BnG league on TuS, so why are you saying BnG league should get the axe lol?

[Dub-c]

But see, that is your opinion, that Roper is the most classic scheme, I don't see it that way, but I do see and respect your opinion.

I see Elite/BnG/Roper all sharing the same level of importance, and being all as "classic" as each other.

I don't think it's a bad idea or anything, I just feel we have enough here at the moment, I honestly think this league is at it's optimal level right now.

Roper Circa 1996. More classic. I don't see how a roper league could do anything but ADD more activity to tus. You have no proof that this league is at its optimal level and its an ignorant comment to make for a reason not to have a roper league.

If you don't think its a bad idea then please leave it at that and don't speculate whether this league is at its optimal level or not.

[THeDoGG]

I would be ok to open a league on another server, but for example it would take 1 month of full work to get it working (+a team of people ready to work on it), and it would take like 30 minutes of work for MonkeyIsland to open it on TUS.

And I agree that we better not split the community.

So, MI, maybe you could just try to open it, and see how it's going to be, active or not.
That's the best way to see if the idea is good or not. Instead of talking and talking on the forum.

[TheKomodo]

Roper Circa 1996. More classic. I don't see how a roper league could do anything but ADD more activity to tus. You have no proof that this league is at its optimal level and its an ignorant comment to make for a reason not to have a roper league.

If you don't think its a bad idea then please leave it at that and don't speculate whether this league is at its optimal level or not.

If I want to think TuS is in it's prime right now, I am free to feel that way, there is nothing you can do about it, there is nothing ignorant about praising this league the way it is right now, it's a compliment if anything.

I don't think a Roper League is a bad idea, but I don't like the idea of adding one to TuS.

Am I not allowed to have my own views and opinions about this? After all, you did create a poll and a post about it...