New CO-OP scheme Flood Race for people to enjoy

[Micro]

Made a scheme over last couple years with collaboration with BigBily and an original idea i think by PavlePavle and/or Zippo. This is the first roperace co-op based scheme i know of for 2-4 players. The objective is for everyone to finish if one player plops you need to restart the run (the retry games are really quick around 4-10minutes when the flood gets you so it's not time consuming). you can use zook to open the thin walls but not the huge partition ones.most maps in this map pack were tested for 2-3 players. there are two version of this scheme. One is 200px water rise (2p scheme) and the other is 150px (use 150px the 3p (three players) one if you're an inexperienced roper to complete the maps. All maps are graded based on how hard they are and how many players are recommended for completing it. This scheme also took ages to finish and you should feel free to edit time control to complete the maps but the original idea was for you to figure out the maps together just like in old games you took multiple tries to finish the platformer games and figure out the pattern so the maps are not meant to be extremely easy so proceed with caution when editing the turntime because it can really change a lot. for example the less turntime you have the harder the game becomes (shorter turns = quicker flood rise) so usually the only thing you have to edit is the turntime if the maps become impossible for you and your team mates to finish. As u said the objective is for everyone to finish so help your team mates. open walls for them when they lag behind. use the mines to get quicker access to next parts.

There will be more maps coming and more to be tested i want to thank everyone who tested these maps and this scheme with me for the past 2 years namely to: BigBilly (for editing maps and testing), PavlePavle, Doc, Sid, Rocket and anybody else who i forgot to mention but joined these testing games. enjoy

[Kradie]

I remember designing this scheme together with Zippo and PavlePavle 5-6 years ago. It was very Intense scheme, but I never pursued it because it felt extremely unbalanced at the time.

On browsing for old files, I find this map. The photoshop file is named ''Coop Race''. I confess, I forgot the the concept of this scheme. Perhaps it Involved 2v2, one team blows up a wall, other one continues the race. It was at this time in WA there were a lot of concept schemes being tested.

I will try to find replay at some point.

But it's great to see an old scheme resurface and gets its deserved attention.

[Micro]

I remember designing this scheme together with Zippo and PavlePavle 5-6 years ago. It was very Intense scheme, but I never pursued it because it felt extremely unbalanced at the time.

On browsing for old files, I find this map. The photoshop file is named ''Coop Race''. I confess, I forgot the the concept of this scheme. Perhaps it Involved 2v2, one team blows up a wall, other one continues the race. It was at this time in WA there were a lot of concept schemes being tested.

I will try to find replay at some point.

But it's great to see an old scheme resurface and gets its deserved attention.

well the scheme has been completely re-calibrated. all the maps have been moved up by 1200-1300px so you can start racing now from the start and not having to use SD timer 1s turns to insta zook the walls because now SD timer goes off at start. other thing is each map is calibrated for a particular amount of players. the pixel rise has been changed too according to that. that's why i gave original credit to pavle and zippo bcos yes those years ago when they were making schemes left and right i didnt know you were involved too. I don't mind giving you credit too if you really were involved in the development back then but this is a new scheme new maps. It took almost 2 years of development from my side and billy's for adjusting the maps. i dont even mind giving out my bigrr map gen preset if people want to test out their maps and generating them. but with the settings now the scheme is very easy to understand even after playing 1 or 2 games. you could say the only rule now is All to finish A2f

[Kradie]

well the scheme has been completely re-calibrated. all the maps have been moved up by 1200-1300px so you can start racing now from the start and not having to use SD timer 1s turns to insta zook the walls because now SD timer goes off at start. other thing is each map is calibrated for a particular amount of players. the pixel rise has been changed too according to that.

In general, the more confusing a scheme become, the less traction it could get by the public. Your post helped me remind me that the configuration of this scheme was quite cumbersome. It was one of the reasons why I chose to abandon it after a few weeks/months.

that's why i gave original credit to pavle and zippo bcos yes those years ago when they were making schemes left and right i didnt know you were involved too. I don't mind giving you credit too if you really were involved in the development back then but this is a new scheme new maps.

Schemes were Indeed made left and right, Pavle would often come to me see if I had something new cooking. I remember playing and testing big flood race with pavle and zippo. Zippo was very keen on that mode, heck I think he even was the mastermind behind it. 

The reason why I made these posts here and now, was because I was pleasantly surprised that this scheme was still around. Some fond memories arose within. I was a little disappointed I wasn't mentioned though.   Some acknowledgement would had been nice, considering other people were mentioned regardless if there was a huge update.

Ultimately I am happy to see that Billy and You have been working hard on this new iteration of the scheme. Giving it the deserved tweaks and updates. Let's hope that it catches people's attention. It would be cool to see this in a cup too.

[FoxHound]

I'll give it a try sometime, maybe me Vs me offline. I already worked on a scheme that took 2 years of development, good to see that people are working that hard on scheme maps and balancement. I will add this page to Scheme ideas later, and maybe write an article too. A replay would be cool, although it's spoiler for those that wanna try.

Edit: Ah, there is an interesting similar scheme by the scheme maker xyz  (a.k.a. User1) called Team Survival Race, but I guess it's different than yours: https://www.wmdb.org/maps/?map%5Btitle%5D=TeamSurvivalRace

Edit 2: There is a scheme by Zalo that is not Coop, but it's called Flood Race too: https://www.tus-wa.com/schemes/scheme-4176/

[Micro]

well the scheme has been completely re-calibrated. all the maps have been moved up by 1200-1300px so you can start racing now from the start and not having to use SD timer 1s turns to insta zook the walls because now SD timer goes off at start. other thing is each map is calibrated for a particular amount of players. the pixel rise has been changed too according to that.

In general, the more confusing a scheme become, the less traction it could get by the public. Your post helped me remind me that the configuration of this scheme was quite cumbersome. It was one of the reasons why I chose to abandon it after a few weeks/months.

that's why i gave original credit to pavle and zippo bcos yes those years ago when they were making schemes left and right i didnt know you were involved too. I don't mind giving you credit too if you really were involved in the development back then but this is a new scheme new maps.

Schemes were Indeed made left and right, Pavle would often come to me see if I had something new cooking. I remember playing and testing big flood race with pavle and zippo. Zippo was very keen on that mode, heck I think he even was the mastermind behind it. 

The reason why I made these posts here and now, was because I was pleasantly surprised that this scheme was still around. Some fond memories arose within. I was a little disappointed I wasn't mentioned though.   Some acknowledgement would had been nice, considering other people were mentioned regardless if there was a huge update.

Ultimately I am happy to see that Billy and You have been working hard on this new iteration of the scheme. Giving it the deserved tweaks and updates. Let's hope that it catches people's attention. It would be cool to see this in a cup too.

well i just talked to Zippo and he said it's not your scheme at all and that you weren't involved in its development. but you're quite infamous at this point for stealing others peoples schemes taking out parachute out of them and claiming them as your own and calling it ZaR so i'm not surprised at all with this conclusion.

[Micro]

I'll give it a try sometime, maybe me Vs me offline. I already worked on a scheme that took 2 years of development, good to see that people are working that hard on scheme maps and balancement. I will add this page to Scheme ideas later, and maybe write an article too. A replay would be cool, although it's spoiler for those that wanna try.

Edit: Ah, there is an interesting similar scheme by the scheme maker xyz  (a.k.a. User1) called Team Survival Race, but I guess it's different than yours: https://www.wmdb.org/maps/?map%5Btitle%5D=TeamSurvivalRace

Edit 2: There is a scheme by Zalo that is not Coop, but it's called Flood Race too: https://www.tus-wa.com/schemes/scheme-4176/

Thank you Foxhound. yeah it's possible there are many iterations or versions of such scheme. Zippo called it originally Survival Bigrr. I'm not claiming this idea as my own just the recent development and finalization of this scheme and i still would say it was a team effort. Lot of testing lot of shout outs.

[Kradie]

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well i just talked to Zippo and he said it's not your scheme at all and that you weren't involved in its development. but you're quite infamous at this point for stealing others peoples schemes taking out parachute out of them and claiming them as your own and calling it ZaR so i'm not surprised at all with this conclusion.

That's true that isn't my scheme. Nor did I try to take credit of the mastermind of it. If I did than that's my bad. I remember I played it together with pavle and zippo, play tested it. I mentioned that I designed it, that's simply because this was during an era where I tested out many ZaR variation, so it is possible I did that with Flood RR. I don't think I tried to take this scheme and sement it as my own.
When there's a ZaR variation of a scheme, it will say so in its name though. I could had called it Flood ZaR RR which would had made a lot more sense. If I didn't that's my bad too. All variation should at least be labelled to help separate from each other. This topic just reminded me of its existence so I figured I'd add my two cents on it.

Could you perhaps elaborate on the theft side of things? Such claims are a bit lofty without concrete evidence. I would at least like to try get an opportunity to defend myself.

/quote] yeah it's possible there are many iterations or versions of such scheme. Zippo called it originally Survival Bigrr. I'm not claiming this idea as my own just the recent development and finalization of this scheme and i still would say it was a team effort. Lot of testing lot of shout outs.

It as you say here. There's plenty of iteration or versions of such scheme. If you apply this reasoning to your claims that I am known to steal other's schemes. Couldn't it be possible that some or maybe most, or heck maybe all of the schemes I made are a version of something else? In some of my released schemes I made sure I linked and gave credit to where it was derived from. It would only be the right thing to do. To acknowledge someone's involvement by design or play testing.

In the end everything is derived from something. I remember long ago on each scheme I made and released it ''felt'' throttled and undermined. Why? Each scheme I made was apparently ''Made'' before it but in different form. It was Impossible to come up with something fresh and new. This is why I congratulate you and your friends for working hard on Flood RR. To balance it, making it work, and more accessible for other people.

[Micro]

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well i just talked to Zippo and he said it's not your scheme at all and that you weren't involved in its development. but you're quite infamous at this point for stealing others peoples schemes taking out parachute out of them and claiming them as your own and calling it ZaR so i'm not surprised at all with this conclusion.

That's true that isn't my scheme. Nor did I try to take credit of the mastermind of it. If I did than that's my bad. I remember I played it together with pavle and zippo, play tested it. I mentioned that I designed it, that's simply because this was during an era where I tested out many ZaR variation, so it is possible I did that with Flood RR. I don't think I tried to take this scheme and sement it as my own.
When there's a ZaR variation of a scheme, it will say so in its name though. I could had called it Flood ZaR RR which would had made a lot more sense. If I didn't that's my bad too. All variation should at least be labelled to help separate from each other. This topic just reminded me of its existence so I figured I'd add my two cents on it.

Could you perhaps elaborate on the theft side of things? Such claims are a bit lofty without concrete evidence. I would at least like to try get an opportunity to defend myself.

/quote] yeah it's possible there are many iterations or versions of such scheme. Zippo called it originally Survival Bigrr. I'm not claiming this idea as my own just the recent development and finalization of this scheme and i still would say it was a team effort. Lot of testing lot of shout outs.

It as you say here. There's plenty of iteration or versions of such scheme. If you apply this reasoning to your claims that I am known to steal other's schemes. Couldn't it be possible that some or maybe most, or heck maybe all of the schemes I made are a version of something else? In some of my released schemes I made sure I linked and gave credit to where it was derived from. It would only be the right thing to do. To acknowledge someone's involvement by design or play testing.

In the end everything is derived from something. I remember long ago on each scheme I made and released it ''felt'' throttled and undermined. Why? Each scheme I made was apparently ''Made'' before it but in different form. It was Impossible to come up with something fresh and new. This is why I congratulate you and your friends for working hard on Flood RR. To balance it, making it work, and more accessible for other people.

true i should've phrased it better. you were trying to get credit for being involved in its development. that is not true from what i heard. Most people are unaware of your history with FAW and its members (I'm not here to start the next wormnet drama, I'm just making a stance). I'm gonna spare everyone now the details (if they want context i will provide them with it).

But most leading members from back then when pavle and zippo (who were making original scheme ideas e.g. ''the dragonball z scheme''), dirk, drevni, me and baza ignored or blocked you on discord due to bullying (flooding their discord inboxes). We even had to kick you out of our server. So it's not some xmas miracle and surprise that nobody wants to even mention you you wanted credit here you have it, i'll give you all the credit you deserve for all the bullying and gaslighting over the years of multiple players when things just don't go the way you want them to go.

[Kradie]

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true i should've phrased it better. you were trying to get credit for being involved in its development. that is not true from what i heard. Most people are unaware of your history with FAW and its members (I'm not here to start the next wormnet drama, I'm just making a stance). I'm gonna spare everyone now the details (if they want context i will provide them with it).

But most leading members from back then when pavle and zippo (who were making original scheme ideas e.g. ''the dragonball z scheme''), dirk, drevni, me and baza ignored or blocked you on discord due to bullying (flooding their discord inboxes). We even had to kick you out of our server. So it's not some xmas miracle and surprise that nobody wants to even mention you you wanted credit here you have it, i'll give you all the credit you deserve for all the bullying and gaslighting over the years of multiple players when things just don't go the way you want them to go.

True that I was never part of the FAW community, but I remember at the very least I play tested the scheme at some capacity. Otherwise I wouldn't had brought it up in the first place.

I honestly don't know where to start Micro. I figured this was water under the bridge. I wasn't aware that you held such resentment toward me after all these years. Should I be surprised? Well, I always always felt that our relationship was very tense and cold. I never quite figured out why. It's good that you are explaining it in details.

Dragonball scheme you refer to is called ''Goku Battle Arena''. This is a scheme made by pavlepavle (To my understanding). I remember I was Invited to try that one. But I wasn't Involved with it at all.

When it comes to drevni, dirk, and even pavle, I don't think I ever bullied or gaslighted them once. All I remember is that these members started to Ignore and avoid me. I saw the shift and I accepted it. I just didn't understand why. Though It would be Interesting hearing from them too.

The possibilities of discord between FAW members and myself is likely true but I don't recall it was THAT bad. It is also very sad. If people still hold resentment after all these years I do apologize. I don't need their forgiveness or a credit then. There's been things I have said and done then and now I am not proud of. I just have to live with it.

[Micro]

im talking about apples, you are talking about pears (deflection tactics perhaps?). i specifically said that we kicked you out of our Server(discord one) not FAW tus community. And this was after the failed merger of these at the time two largest communities on wormnet which you suggested (the merger). After we politely declined your offer you kept nagging other members of FAW (not me, we have a different history you and i but not that different when it comes to gaslighting and bullying) and kept sending them messages. Also you stole/copied all of the FAW discord server ideas like music bots, custom emotes etc. and pasted it onto your own (zar) discord server. <<here is a clarification why some people blocked you or just plain started ignoring you. I'm at a place in my life where im content and dont mind undergoing scrutiny bcos im comfortable. My guess would be other people just wanna live peaceful lives and dont want to get involved into any old and unnecessary drama and it's better to remain silent about such old topics. I will admit i got immeditiately triggered after your reply under this post and needed to address your BS. That's all

[Kradie]

im talking about apples, you are talking about pears (deflection tactics perhaps?). i specifically said that we kicked you out of our Server(discord one) not FAW tus community. And this was after the failed merger of these at the time two largest communities on wormnet which you suggested (the merger). After we politely declined your offer you kept nagging other members of FAW (not me, we have a different history you and i but not that different when it comes to gaslighting and bullying) and kept sending them messages. Also you stole/copied all of the FAW discord server ideas like music bots, custom emotes etc. and pasted it onto your own (zar) discord server. <<here is a clarification why some people blocked you or just plain started ignoring you. I'm at a place in my life where im content and dont mind undergoing scrutiny bcos im comfortable. My guess would be other people just wanna live peaceful lives and dont want to get involved into any old and unnecessary drama and it's better to remain silent about such old topics. I will admit i got immeditiately triggered after your reply under this post and needed to address your BS. That's all

I wasn't aware that you were talking about the FAW ZAR merger. I thought it was in general which I was shocked to hear.

Regard to the merger, Indeed I suggested at the time because it was a great opportunity for us both to join forces. However, I did realize quickly that both FAW and ZaR are both different philosophically. But the core remain the same, both group have passion for roping.
I did try to ask other members to see if all agreed but I wouldn't go as far and say it was bullying etc. I could had stopped prior to the answer though. So I apologize it was disrespectful.

Regarding to ''stealing'' all music bots and emotes. Discord group managing was very new for me at the time. I had no prior experience with it. Your emotes may have been there? I don't remember and know how that happened (If they were even on my server). For example now I see I have other emotes from other servers such as Worms Universe RU/EN and another server Survivors OG. It is safe to say I did not Intentionally steal your servers emotes, but the bots on the other hand I took steps to integrate to my server since this is something anyone can. Also again server managing was new for me at the time.

Micro, I didn't even want this ''drama'' to begin with. I approached calmly, diplomatically, and dare I say it? Rationally. I had no back thoughts about the bad part of the past when I made my first post(s) in this topic. I didn't even want to trigger you either and I am sorry that you got, really I am.

I am like you, I just want coexist peacefully. This is a small community anyway. We don't even have to like each other. Though I hope one day that could change.