WA Cheating, Implication, and Legacy

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Cry me a wall of text

[TheKomodo]

Cry me a wall of text

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This meme is still as good as it was before

[angus]

@MonkeyIsland ye not the best way to comunicate.


I know you dont aimbot that just too much for this game and ridiculous, just got angry because you said Shtaket cheat.
So how he cheat tell me.

[TheKomodo]

I just got angry because you said Shtaket cheat.
So how he cheat?

I said Shtaket cheated because he did in fact cheat. It was confirmed by CyberShadow, you can read more here:

https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/announcements/(reminder)-using-any-kind-of-aids-is-forbidden-on-tus-37291/

What we know for sure, 100%, is that Shtaket cheated, however developers won't share HOW they caught the cheaters because if they shared that information it would only help cheaters hide the fact that they are cheating.

Rumor has it though, that Shtaket was using scripts/macros, the same thing Corujao uses except Shtaket was using it more subtly, but still got caught.

I don't understand angus why you get angry at me for helping to catch cheaters?

[Corujão]

[TheKomodo]

Wow Corujao, you believe cheaters should die? That's a bit harsh.

I think cheaters should be severely punished but I don't believe they should die, you've taken that a bit too far Corujao.

[Kradie]

Wow Corujao, you believe cheaters should die? That's a bit harsh.

I think cheaters should be severely punished but I don't believe they should die, you've taken that a bit too far Corujao.

For a while I thought you shared such thoughts. I am glad I am no longer confused. 

[TheKomodo]

Wow Corujao, you believe cheaters should die? That's a bit harsh.

I think cheaters should be severely punished but I don't believe they should die, you've taken that a bit too far Corujao.

For a while I thought you shared such thoughts. I am glad I am no longer confused. 

No, I said cheaters are scum and should be severely punished and permenantly banned, I didn't say they should die. That's what Corujao said.

[angus]

I just got angry because you said Shtaket cheat.
So how he cheat?

I said Shtaket cheated because he did in fact cheat. It was confirmed by CyberShadow, you can read more here:

https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/announcements/(reminder)-using-any-kind-of-aids-is-forbidden-on-tus-37291/

What we know for sure, 100%, is that Shtaket cheated, however developers won't share HOW they caught the cheaters because if they shared that information it would only help cheaters hide the fact that they are cheating.

Rumor has it though, that Shtaket was using scripts/macros, the same thing Corujao uses except Shtaket was using it more subtly, but still got caught.

I don't understand angus why you get angry at me for helping to catch cheaters?

So hes using macros while roping?

I just got angry because you said Shtaket cheat.
So how he cheat?

I said Shtaket cheated because he did in fact cheat. It was confirmed by CyberShadow, you can read more here:

https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/announcements/(reminder)-using-any-kind-of-aids-is-forbidden-on-tus-37291/

What we know for sure, 100%, is that Shtaket cheated, however developers won't share HOW they caught the cheaters because if they shared that information it would only help cheaters hide the fact that they are cheating.

Rumor has it though, that Shtaket was using scripts/macros, the same thing Corujao uses except Shtaket was using it more subtly, but still got caught.

I don't understand angus why you get angry at me for helping to catch cheaters?

Lol what the f@#! a macro can advantage you while roping?
Probably only in big rr scheme maybe? That sux? Back in the days only noobs was playing it?It was tower race ?
Who f@#!ing cares.

Tell me how he can rope better than us in ttrr or roper or wxw with macro.
I just want understand the way of cheat, im not getting angry on yo komo.
THeres a kind of thread dated 2011.

And back in the days alot of players on tus was using macro on hysteria, like lots of players was using a famous AHK

[Sensei]

@angus most of the people will use roping cheat in a harmless way. They just look like clowns while spamming spacebar in unnatural manner while not getting any advantage from it. Although, there are serious ropers that would use script in a way to gain edge over others. Gaining edge in terms of getting through map faster in occasions where most non-cheaters will lose momentum. Shtaket used this cheat against me in cup game few months ago (and probably lot of other games). "Trained" eye can notice these perfect momentum gaining during his turns. Non-ropers probably wouldn't. That replay was sent to devs and they determined he indeed cheated. Don't know if that replay is still visible on tus, but you can check it yourself and then come and give your opinion about it being legal or not.

[TheKomodo]

Lol what the f@#! a macro can advantage you while roping?
Probably only in big rr scheme maybe? That sux? Back in the days only noobs was playing it?It was tower race ?
Who f@#!ing cares.

Tell me how he can rope better than us in ttrr or roper or wxw with macro.
I just want understand the way of cheat, im not getting angry on yo komo.
THeres a kind of thread dated 2011.

And back in the days alot of players on tus was using macro on hysteria, like lots of players was using a famous AHK

In my opinion, your average player who uses macros is not going to get any distinguishable advantage, as they haven't reached the top echelons of rope skill in the first place to take advantage of the speed macros/scripts provide.

It's like the Wooting keyboard I have, being able to set the actuation point and rapid trigger actuation so low is only beneficial if you're actually fast enough to use it and have the hand-eye coordination to control it.

There's very few players who would benefit from macros/scripts.

However, and this is the most important reason, in my opinion. If we were to make macros/scripts legal, then more people would find ways to make them more powerful and easier to use for the average player since you wouldn't have to worry about trying to hide it.

Also, I am aware of players using AHK in Hysteria, it happened against me in a TRL Season many years ago.

[Kradie]

With a new keyboard ''Razer Huntsman V2 Analog'' I have not been able to replicate super fast taps. This is a keyboard that feature rapid trigger. This feature is not built into the keyboard, so you can't activate that on a onboard switch if you don't have a newer version ''Razer Huntsman v3 pro''. To activate rapid trigger, you would need to download Razer's Synapse Software so you can activate that feature from there. This is something I have done but has it yielded any positive results?

Let's start without: Indeed I have noticed some performance Increase in terms of speed and taps, but nothing to dramatic. When I activate rapid trigger, my performance Increased, but not too much. The rapid trigger actuation point is lowered to lowest possible setting 0.1mm. I noticed I had more control, keys became more sensitive, it was more easier to maneuver across the maps, and in some cases I would perform finger rolling. But the finger rolling and tapping were never consistent on every turns, swings and through horizontal tunnels.

In the end, it boils down to Individual person, I think. In my case, as I stated earlier in this topic, it might just be my limit that is reached. I have Included replay.

[Micro]

@FoxHound

I am against cheating as well, but only when it comes to obvious cheating modules/software, like crate spy, aim assist, etc.

My point is: I don't consider the rope script cheating because it's still up for debate. It hasn't been discussed thoroughly enough so far, most of you have just read the opinion of a frustrated community member instead of testing it yourselves. What Shtaket was using was probably a macro and not the script I'm referring to.

I stand by what I say. I will never back down from this, even if all of you call me a cheater (I'm not using it, by the way, you can check my replays as much as you want).
I consider the script an enhancement because the same results can be achieved with good hardware. Period.

If it bothers people, it's because they spent a fortune on hardware and are now upset that money alone isn't enough to take them to the next level.

Since i feel like what Kradie is trying to do is divide the community even more after i called him out the last time and he even started a community that is against cheating in rope particulary i will say my piece now. I dont even mind getting banned or ostracized even more in the community. It just is what it is.

I have started using an AHK script in 2018/19 when i bought a new asus laptop and many players already know this because i never hid it. The script is 2 space remap with the thing that while one space is pressed you can press the other. It would be nice to have thorough report on how many milliseconds this script saves in rope races and such so the myths about this script could finally be dispelled.

So back to 2018-19: the asus laptop i've bought at the time and its keyboard had very bad input lag, not at all meant for gaming (i couldnt play ttrr at all or do a shadow without falling way behind in time) the keys themselves were very poorly produced in quality and i have shown this on photos on discord servers (there was a photo of that keyboards broken keys i had to remap even arrows multiple times, one of the 2 spaces keys was broken in half and the other completely torn from the keyboard and keybed destroyed from regular gaming, so i remapped the keys multiple times and had to get used to playing with new keys every time).

And now finally to the point: to use this script it took me 6months to learn how to rope with it until 2018/19 i was using only one space remapped to rCtrl. Something that takes you 6months to get the hang of and not even fully master shouldn't be considered cheating. Cheating is something that gives you an advantage instantly over other players. And i urge someone that is interested enough to make a frame by frame analysis so we finally can see how many milliseconds this script saves. This would make an impact on competetive play for players that supposedly want an ''even playing field'' but they themselves have bought 200-300USD Corsair and other brands of keyboards while others play on laptop keyboards. It is ridiculous.

Lastly: most players in this forum focus on the use of ''insanely fast taps'' under this post. taps dont win you games guys. taps + arrows and timing and efficiency and method of roping wins you games. I love rope because it is mostly skill based game mode and i love skill based games. The top rope percentile of rope players that i know, know that this script doesnt win you games and feel this topic to be completely outdated but somehow this is still discussed in 2025. So there. This is the last time I'm discussing this topic. If you want to take action against me go ahead. I'm just tired of talking about scripts, tired of being bullied all the time and called a cheater in random games by random aliases. Tired of this community. Luckily still have some friends on this platform so i keép playing this poorly optimalized old game for chats and funs.

[TheKomodo]

Kradie - You were never super fast at taps anyway, you don't need to be to be a solid roper though, look at blitzed.

Micro - Absolutely nobody is surprised lol.