Just found one of the old replays of me f@#!ing around with the boys using wkAutoKeys (this was before I started playing competitively, btw). Just check the first turn, I perform a secret trick called "Fire Scrolls"

yeah this is specifically what i was talking about, way too fast taps and unnatural rope behavior, it was probably this wkautokeys thing.  Interesting parachute macro, never seen that before!  Looks wild. 

Triad and flash - I don't have proof. Although, it's a known fact that freestylers use scripts and don't even try to hide it. Can't respect the rope skill they show, but I personally respect the honesty behind it. Most of them admitted using forbidden macro to rope the way they rope, after I asked.

Can you explain in detail, which macro / script is forbidden? I'm kinda new on tus, you know. I have seen some people using something that helps them to make their rope unnaturally super-fast. I'm not blind and I see that this is cheating, but I would like to know more on this issue.

I think the burden of proof should be to prove he’s cheating, not to prove he’s not, Sen. It doesn’t feel right to slander him anyways because he’s not around, I shouldn’t have opened my mouth up in the first place.  Going to depart this thread.

Right words, man.

I recall he only used two space keys for roping (which is something Sbaffo also admit doing openly, so I don't think it can be considered cheating).

There's a delicate point: it's impossible to use two space keys without a script / macros AFAIK. I mean, of course you can set 2 spaces, but then you gonna get some troubles with roping. I've tried this many times via wkremapkeys and even ahk. I've tried this on several keyboards. In both cases I noticed some missing clicks. As a result I was falling so often for no reason, as if the second button just didn't work properly when pressed. I suppose that sometimes I could press the one of two keys out of timing, because I'm not so skilled fingerroller. But I've never reached such extreme tapping speed. It cannot be faster than the game allows, even with 2 keys. Therefore I conclude that unnatural fast tapping is some kind of cheat, maybe a special script, macro or speedhack. If anyone knows more about this, please answer, it’s interesting.

Wrong, you can do it easily with 1 spacebar with this keyboard:

Hmm, I don't really believe that all persons that I've seen was using exactly this keyboard with rapid trigger.  What about an other keyboards? And I wouldn't call it as unnatural fast tapping. Although it looks interesting, maybe I'll watch the whole video later.

In the video I was doing it with 2 buttons actually, but, I found it's actually easier for me using just spacebar with 0.1mm actuation point and 0.1mm rapid trigger.

Yeah, that's it. Using two spaces should not be different in tapping speed compared to one space. I know some people who look suspiciously fast while tapping rather to justify themselves this way: "I use 2 spaces, you don't see the difference between a fingerroll and cheats". Now we can admit that is delirious fairytale for losers. So any unnaturally fast tapping is a cheat / script / macro / speedhack.

EDIT:

Btw, Komodo, what the software was it?

No... I can tap as fast as scripts, without scripts lol.

There are multiple methods to achieve this:

Two handed taps
Fingerrolling
Mouse wheel set as spacebar

You can't do this with wkremap, because this module strictly blocks pressing the second spacebar key. I've tried this many times. I can also press keys quickly, and yeah, with both hands as well.  But no matter how fast I pressed the keys, I couldn't achieve faster tapping than with a single spacebar. So are you gonna use the firm software for this, right?

P. S. Please answer the question in the previous post about software under "EDIT" mark.

There was a 3rd party program, which enabled you to fire rope again even if the spacebar was already activated, which is why the 2 spacebar method became popular in the first place.

There was also something I heard about, if someone can clarify this...  A script that you can press spacebar even before the rope has connected properly.

Those 2 things, are the cheats/scripts that manipulate the game engine and make things possible that shouldn't be possible.

The rest, are things you can actually do just by being good physically in various ways.

That's what I'm talking about too. Thanks for clarifying. By the way, what was the name of that program / script?

Well, it's not AS fast with raw speed, but, it's as fast due to the game engine and limits, if you know what I mean?

You can tap 10 times but the game will pickup maybe 6 of those taps because the delay between connections.

True. When I tried to tell those people with suspicious fast taps something like that, they told me that I was lying and the WA has no delay between taps. Now we know that were a lies and pathetic excuses.

That software is NohBoard, it's a program that enables you to show your key display/input as an overlay on your stream so players can see which buttons you press and the timing etc.

Cool, thanks. It's useful thing for streaming WA.

EDIT: Btw I asked about firm software for one reason. I suspect that many of these programs can also bypass the limitations of the WA engine. Therefore comparing these programs with wkremapkeys is pointless.

This post is conjecture.

Back in early 2000 to mid 2000s when people were younger, it was more common to encounter people with fast and dare i to say unnatural fast taps? At the time I always wondered how it was possible but I figured with time and practice that I could become just as good. Of course back then I could achieve somewhat close to such taps but not consistently and during long duration. My taps were more prominent while I played warmer.

Nowadays you do not see players of such caliber quite as often. There are only a handful of people who I can count on one hand who has super fast taps and can keep that up consistently. One of these people have openly admitted that they rely on ''specific tool' to rope better because their ''hand'' or whatever can't keep up. At least that's how I understood it at the time. Then there are other people with fast taps that can be extremely toxic, or have accused me to have used cheats. The only thing I have is wkRemapKeys, CTRL+Left as Spacebar, and bought peripherals without modification.

While I can personally achieve crazy fast scrolls when I am warmed up and have a good rope day, I realize I cannot become what these people of the past was. So with everything said, this makes me question the legality of certain people of the past.

But I will say this and it might sound contradictory to everything I said: If you have practiced to use 2 or more spaces to rope, or sit crosshanded. Then that's worthy of praise alone, provided if you can rope consistently. Because THAT is difficult, and not easy to learn. Of course, if there are other modifications, and third parties tools applied, then that's fraud. I have easily beaten people with super fast taps in BIG RR because they had no control.

Ultimately, I think that if people want to cheat, they should do so offline. If they really want to go online and use cheats, they should be open about it that the people are aware of it.

You haven't used wkremapkeys there. You was using the firm software (wootility) all the time in this video. As I said, I suspect that many of these firm programs can manipulate the game engine. At least because you can create macros there, and that's what you did later. You've created a several macros, based on rapid trigger technology, and your taps became ~2 times faster. You couldn't reach that fast tapping on the default settings. Therefore I think that using this rapid trigger based macros (and macros at all) is tantamount to cheating.

This keyboard is quite rare and expensive. I don't really think that every player with unnatural fast taps uses this keyboard.

I did use wkRemapKeys there, but part of the point of that review is to show the keyboards capabilities.

I use WASD for roping, and it doesn't matter if I use wkRemapKeys or do it with the Wootility software, the end result is the same.

Also, what you do with this keyboard is NOT macros, it does not fall under the description of what a macro is because of how it actually works.

None of it is cheating and I'll explain why.

Actuation point is something you can mod with any keyboard by putting o-rings or paper etc underneath the key so that the actuation point is shorter meaning you can twitch faster.

That's what Anubis done back in the day, that's what Mablak does as well puts little paper balls under his keycaps.

The rapid trigger doesn't make your taps faster, it makes the window of error larger. This works in harmony with a low actuation point.

I explained it in the video if you want to watch the whole video.

The other thing, which you call "macros" which are not actually macros is called "Dynamic Keystroke".

On normal keyboards, you press a key and it's either 100% on or 100% off, activated by the actuation point, then deactivated once it passes a certain threshold.

When you activate a macro, it does multiple things with 1 signal.

This Wooting keyboard has magnetic hall effect switches, which means you can go from 1% to 100% think of it as an Xbox or Playstation controller, with the back triggers acting like a gas/brake pedal on a vehicle.

The harder you press down, the stronger the force in response.

With Dynamic Keystroke, you can setup up to 4 different pressure points, so for example:

1% down = X
25% down = X
75% down = X
25% up = X

If you do not press all the way down, you will not activate all the keystrokes.

It is not a macro, but it is capable of doing things that a macro can do without doing it the way that a macro does it.

Edit - For example, in Roper, you can set up 1 key with dynamic keystrokes so you can do multiple things together.

For example, Instead of having to reach around to select a weapon then enter to drop it, you can set it up to select mine and drop it immediately with 1 button, using dynamic keystroke.

Yes, this keyboard is OP at a top tier level, and yes, it would give players good enough a useful advantage but no, it is not technically cheating, unless someone makes up new rules specifically banning this, but either way, you cannot detect it using normal methods that finds macros, because it's not macros lol.