Thank you for all of your replies.

I have a question, which intermediate version is loaded when using hostingbuddy !host intermediate? or !host normal? Majority of people on wormnet use this from what I seen, I think.

Quote from: jattaman on February 12, 2023, 10:18 AM

Hello
I'm not knowledgable about worm history, but did Intermediate stay the same throughout all the years?
I started playing online and people seem to play the same exact thing I've seen on my first copy of game on PSX.

Or did community introduce some balanced schemes, but they never beat the original in popularity?

I know that later there were Pro and Elite schemes that nerfed cluster bomb,(and oddly Pro has grenade buffed, anyone know why?), but from my experience noone wants to play them since they introduce worm placement and people don't have time for that.

Why do you consider the historical intermediate version unbalanced? Can you please provide further details about your issues?

Foxhound already said about 1HP sudden death and shotgun and I share his reasons for why I dislike these. From my side, I want to also mention the cluster bomb and mortar "tricks". I just feel that it's not what these weapons were meant to do, hence I'm calling it "unbalanced" at 3 stars power, but it's a matter of preference I think. I also don't like how some teams are sometime totally screwed with random placement - and me and my friends sometimes don't have time for playing many rounds or for worm placement - this was my main inspiration to create an intermediate variation of my own.

I think that, all in all, worms armageddon is a symmetrical game. It's not assymetrical, like let's say, starcraft or age of empires - where every player is given different means to achieve victory. Every balance change in a symmetrical game can be rejected with argument "you can do the same" or "you play under the same circumstances"

Luck in crates is another topic touching "balance" - I think that worms without crates doesn't feel the same, but I perfectly understand why people play intermediate without crates at all.

It would be nice if you upload some replays to show gameplay examples to us. There are several good Intermediate variations that were created by players. Your variation seems exactly what I prefer to play. I prefer to play intermediate with X3 ropes too. I always thought X5 ropes is a lot in Intermediate, but who plays intermediate like to make rope knocks, it is a skill that many people shine. I still prefer to make the game more balanced between strategy and artillery. I agree that shotgun is boring to be abused every game. This scheme is really similar to the way I prefer to play normal games. I played Intermediate variations probably more than the regular Intermediate, despite the offline games.

Dolly sheep is the variation I played the most, but I created my own variations too.

I really don't like 1HP sudden death in Intermediate, and starting positions is something that is better if more balanced.

Thank you for your suggestion. I will upload a replay soon.

I do not feel happy about 1HP sudden death either in default intermediate. I find setting a sudden death that fits the scheme a tricky thing. I want to find a balance between A) teams not having to adjust their strategy too much to sudden death(for example in 1HP it's better to focus on having more worms than energy) and B) not dragging things too much, for things not to be boring(even more so for eliminated teams  ).

Hello
Not sure if this is the right section, wanted to see what is the players favourite ending. Aside from the question, do you think that some of them are more fair than others?

Hello
I'm not knowledgable about worm history, but did Intermediate stay the same throughout all the years?
I started playing online and people seem to play the same exact thing I've seen on my first copy of game on PSX.

Or did community introduce some balanced schemes, but they never beat the original in popularity?

I know that later there were Pro and Elite schemes that nerfed cluster bomb,(and oddly Pro has grenade buffed, anyone know why?), but from my experience noone wants to play them since they introduce worm placement and people don't have time for that.

Hello
I'm trying to make intermediate scheme, that avoids water killing at the begining. I find it to be a bit boring and sometimes a bit unfair for team that got a team almost wiped out instantly  . I want to achieve this without worm placement.
I also want less mobility(to make throwing/bazzoka and positioning a bit more important), like in Pro or Elite and try to make weapons balanced.

I'm not very experienced in the game. Is there a intermediate clone already that has some of these aims? I found freemediate so far, it has good idea on how to cover your worms.