You're going to give every EiF member who sees that scheme being called Pro an aneurysm. Just sayin'. 

UWT is a simple script.. It's just a guess but UWT is timed for 50fps which WA has - since WWP only has 30fps (if I remember correctly), it's out of sync there..

Who started this myth about WWP not running at 50 fps? Third time I'm hearing it recently and I just have no idea where it came from!

I have to also say that I find it ridiculous that a cheater should be praised for "opening the eyes of the community" by publicly posting his cheat for anyone to modify and use after getting caught. The people who truly wanted to find out why some relatively new players were tapping like a boss knew already. Those who didn't have the time or motivation to find out were surely better off not being paranoid about it, right? It's not like there's anything else they could/would do. At least that's the vibe I got from MI when we were talking about some problematic challenge submissions a while ago.

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Personally, I wouldn't want to be caught dead using third party programs or mucking around with my keyboard or basically anything that would enhance my skills without me requiring to simply be better. I'd rather lose (which I do quite frequently )

That would be fair, if every single PC and k/b in the world was the same, but considering some technology/hardware/software is better/different than others, some find it unfair that some kid has the money to buy all the best while some poor kid can't afford best technology, so they used program like "KeyChanger" to even the playing field.

But aren't you then doing the same thing cheaters are doing from the perspective of players who choose not to avoid their keyboard's keylock without resorting to third party software (at least until we scrap together the money to buy decent hardware...)? You're making things easier for yourself.

This is just a train of thought, by the way, not necessarily my thought-out opinion.

KRD, this is a League, people should have an even playing field, what's the point having a league, then letting some people have a hige advantage cuz only they can afford best equipment for the game.

Trust me, I am right, using KeyChanger is perfectly innocent, if companies could make cheap keyboards without keylock, problem solved, why the hell do they make keyboards with keylock anyway? Coming to think about it, does anyone know why they are manufactured like this??

Well, there's never going to be a perfectly level playing field. The more the members of a community try and adjust the balance, the closer they all get to legitimising cheating. If it happens slowly enough, they won't even notice that anything has happened at all. In fact I'd say it already has in our case.

And that brings us back to the point someone brought up earlier: where's the line? Past leagues had a clearer notion of this, although it's true none of them defined it in their rules. Likely because competitive players tend to, like they're doing here, find loopholes in rules every chance they get. This is why I support Mablak's effort to finally come up with an unexploitable set of guidelines that determine what is and what isn't cheating in our community.

As for why cheap keyboards are made with poor circuitry... well, because it's cheaper, heh. The exceptions to the rule that more money gets you a better keyboard are flukes and in some other game that requires the use of different keys, they would fail just the same.

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Why the game was deleted ?

Sniper made good point there, cause u cant use some laws backwards, like the german penal law.

i mean how to punish someone for something thats wasnt llegal at this time.

Absolutely correct.

Actually, the TUS rules always had this in there, to my knowledge:

Cheating by any program is highly forbidden. Anyone caught on cheating may be banned for the whole season (at the moderators discretion).

This announcement topic just explains that rule in further detail. It tells players who have only been using AHK to remap their keys that they weren't breaking the rule and players who've been using it for more that they have. No retroactivity required.

As an interesting aside, Mexican (and quite a few other countries') penal and criminal law does apply retroactively, according to Wikipedia.

IANAL. 

That's an excellent combination in the middle of your 8:02 run, Stripe.

Mab's ridiculously well-timed taps blow me away as usual, but it's true that with 45 second turns, it's only harder to squeeze in both a slower, tricky section as well as more than just a few kicks and Spikes done at crazy speed; he did the former better than anyone else can, really, but maybe ran out of time for other stuff because of it.

Well, my key lock limits me on both ends, so in my attempt, I was forced (It wasn't a strategy, honest!) to go the middle road and it ended up impressing franz more than I thought it would. But I honestly think that there's at least five of you here who could beat it without having to spend ages on this one map. That's also why it feels to me like our scores are perhaps a bit high, but I haven't made my mind up about that yet. Need to interrogate franz on the matter first and see what he's doing differently compared to contests.

Oh and it is a pretty great map. Starts feeling a lot less cramped once you get used to it and the sharp corners make speed easier to maintain than it is on most Warmer maps. Plus as Mab has shown, there's a bunch of neat places for what I like to call midget roping there, you just have to spot them.  

Gotcha.

I'll see if I can produce something decent (and actually decide which of my turns is the best), but I can't see myself competing with a warmed up DubC... certainly not with 45s turns.  

Edit: There, I sent one in last night. Apart from the 20:32 turn, you may consider the one at 19:23 as my second submission if you end up having the time to look at it. But I'm pretty sure it deserves a lower score.

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And maybe repeating myself, can anyone confirm that a player named Kiyari (sfx) ever existed?

I think he was an alias, of Anubis or something 

nah, never heard of him 

Funny, that's how I remember it too.

Quote from: KoreanRedDragon on June 02, 2011, 09:50 PM

I strongly believe the scores should be out of 7.5 if it's going to be 45 seconds.

lol why? I don't understand the out of 7.5, just curious.  

Because you deserve, at most, 3/4 of the full score for a turn that lasts 3/4 of a full Warmer turn.

Keeps the scores between this and the style contests comparable, at least on paper... kind of. Even though the criteria are slightly different between the two (if I'm reading the description right), it still makes sense to me that doing the same thing on the same map here and online should give you a score that's in the same ballpark at least.

I was wondering when you were gonna turn up.

This is right up your street.

 :<

My, um... err... hands are blistered, yeah, that's right. That's why I haven't roped in months.