I just noticed that I don't see a drill anywhere in that scheme loadout.

You can now use blow torch to dig directly downwards, at least in one of the early builds shown in the livestreams. I hope they didn't completely remove the drill because of this. Drill may be pretty rarely used in most schemes, but it still has it's uniqueness and it's fun specific uses.

Peja:

I think the horrible quality of Worms titles after WA/WWP has tricked you into feeling there's no future for new WA-type gameplay.

"i dont see any potential for turn based artillery games to get popular, otherwise we wouldnt play a title from 1999."

Has there been any actual contenders to beat the title from '99? No. All of them have been aimed at kids basically. And they're really, really bad even in that aspect (performance issues and bugs, boring art style, graphical fidelity 10 years behind, scrapping some of the best features to add new unnecessary ones, underestimating kids' skills by dumbing down gameplay aspects without any good reason, boring gameplay design, not listening to fans etc).

Sure, it's still motherf@#!ing Worms, a lot of people love the type of gameplay and/or have nostalgia about the series, but since there's no competition for Team17, a lot of us have become conditioned into thinking that the recent titles are actually not that bad, when in reality they are complete f@#!ing horseshit that could be made so much better and so much more succesful in more capable and ambitious hands, we just don't have any actual good games to compare the new titles to (only WA, but it's a really old game that is really dated and so far from perfection).

Aerox:

Well said!

I don't like the idea of purchasing characters and upgradeable add ons. Pay to win is bad Tomtysti.

I wouldn't mind paying for skins, soundbanks, flags, graves, and maybe some extra textures.

Back in the days games were made of honor, the game was COMPLETE, you unlocked things as you progressed. Today you unlock things with money, which is bad imo. I would partly blame the younger consumers for this motto.

I completely agree about P2W being the worst shit ever, that's why I didn't propose any P2W stuff, only purely cosmetic items. I suppose selling additional single player missions/expansions down the line would be okay as well. Like I said, it would have to be build as a F2P game from the ground up, with extensive progression/in-game currency systems in place. You'd be able earn most of the cosmetic stuff by playing and doing challenges etc., a lot of it exclusively by playing. Hearthstone for example has a system where you get a golden animated hero portrait only by winning 500 ranked games with the class. That is kinda shitty and grindy to be honest, since there ain't any more rewards to be achieved after those 500 wins with that particular hero (and Arena games should count), but it's a cool idea in principle. Most people loathe F2P, because so few games do it right, but I think it can be pretty neat.

@skunk3:

I too think it would be great if there were more people playing unranked games for fun but blaming the people playing ranked for doing what they enjoy is ridiculous. Most active WA players play mostly competitively, it's just the way it is, the game is old and the most competitive players tend to stick around the longest.

I also don't see what's wrong about snooping, would it be so much better if those people were offline, it would not bring any more players, so complaining about them is pointless IMHO. Some people like to have #ag open in the background since it's so easy to do with 3rd party snooper software. To occasionally chat with old buddies and play a game or two. You can also set the snooper to notify you when a certain scheme is hosted or a friend has come online etc., that is real handy if you ask me.

I've never really played much rope schemes, but I understand the appeal of warmers for example, I find it similar to jamming with your band mates in the garage. A lot of people consider roping as a type of an art form, they just love doing it and even watching it and I guess it's a fun way to practice too and get feedback from more experienced players. The large variety of custom maps and randomly generated maps keep it fresh too. Warmer might not be the most suitable name, but a lot of schemes have strange names that have just stuck over the years, like Team17 for example. I personally don't mind it, but for new players it might be confusing.

And finally, the thing I dislike the most is how small the player base is and that a lot of the players are rude haters or salty quitters. Also the sad fact that my favourite game ever is now like 17 years old and no matter how great it has become over the years, it is still lacking in a lot of areas, inevitably getting dated, it's player base getting smaller every year and that there's no sign of a new, improved successor to WA ever coming, even though that should be the main f@#!ing focus of the whole gaming world   

I don't understand why there are people who are active on the TUS forums, yet don't play Worms.

wtf? lol

I see lots of familiar names on here posting yet I haven't seen them in AG in ages. What gives?

I don't play WA much anymore for two reasons. 1., because I get easily addicted to WA and I don't have time for that right now  . 2. reason is the community, don't really care about competitive games and there are a lot of dicks and complete noobs playing, a lot of which don't speak english.

I also would play a lot more if hosting my own custom schemes was easier. Now if I host a nice custom normal type scheme, most people quit or whine, because they don't understand it, because there is no easy way of explaining the rules and weapon powers etc. There should be a quick, easy way for all the players to check the rules and scheme settings in the lobby and during the game.

I keep myself informed of new Worms games and WA updates though, because WA is my favourite game of all-time, don't think there's anything wrong in that.

Always funny to see people being so hopeful about new Worms games when they've f@#!ed us over so many times, and every time harder than the previous time. I'm guilty of it too. It pains me so to see such an incredible game format being shat all over.

Unfortunately they make the games with the two main ideas in their head being "lol banana bomb" and "how to make money with the smallest amount of work". They don't care about making a Worms game for hardcore wormers. They aim it for kids and casual gamers.

Of course they promise all kinds of stuff and say they will listen to the community, they've always claimed that, but every goddamn time the games are complete failures with maybe a couple of nice new ideas and features.

This time it sure seems they're moving to a better direction, but I bet it will be seriously lacking in many areas and abandoned by Team17 really soon after launch.

@skunk3:

Jonno said on the Steam forums

"Just been playing around on my a build I have access to.

You will be able to redefine F-keys to weapon lines on PC. "

I really, really doubt it will be "fully customizable", but it's a step forward in either case.

How you so sure about the crossplay feature? Danny said:

Crossplay between PC and PS4 won't be supported at launch, but it's something we can look into in the future

This to me sounds like there's about 1% chance of it happening. Crossplay would be a mess anyway, even though it would help with the community size.

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