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When I had proposed to play another game against Mega'Adnan, it was because he and I didn't mind the fact that we played with 1 worm less, so adding the score of the two games, it was 3x2 for me. But even though he was willing to do it, on second thought, I don't think it would be nice to do that, since, according to your decision, the first game didn't count, only the second. Anyway, I would just like that, in the future, in any kind of decision (that affects players and has the potential to generate some debate), without exception, players are heard before. Even though people's opinions won't change yours, I believe the previous dialogue prevents future problems and eases frustration with the decision.

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The problem with TA is that it's been stuck in a loop of not getting the correct design implemented from the start.
Originally, TA was supposed to be public and available for all, but the publication has been delayed because Deadcode's plan was to make encrypted TA replays switch places with public replays. So you could freely alter the contents of the decrypted replay for TA purposes, but altering regular replays would not be possible. This was the plan but currently we're still stuck in a state where this format change has not happened, and therefore the build has not been made publicly available.
I've seen a new implementation of tool-assisted recently. The problem is that it suffers from the same design problem, where TA replays are encrypted, when it should be the other way around. The only solution to that unfortunately is waiting for proper support for the new format(s) in the base game.

Thank you very much for the explanation, StepS.

I am working on a wormkit module that implements some aspects of TA build.
Here is an example replay created with it: https://www.tus-wa.com/maps/map-1976/msg279988/#msg279988
And a video of it in action: https://files.catbox.moe/1aqbjz.webm

Don't worry - if it ever gets a public release, I will make sure that it is impossible to use it for cheating. The module will require a special modified WA.exe with network capabilities removed. The created replays will announce that they are using TA and will lack state checksums. The module will be closed source and the dll binary will encrypted to prevent reverse engineering.

I had already been informed of your initiative. I, and all players who do not have and wish to have TA, are very grateful for your initiative.

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Cups and Tournaments Comments / Re: Cup #1123, 80-normal
« on: August 12, 2021, 10:01 PM »
Maybe because Dario didn't make the mistake, you might listen to him and appreciate his words more.

I've always esteemed you. And I've always been closer to you than I was to Dario. Why would I act any different to him? No.

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Cups and Tournaments Comments / Re: Cup #1123, 80-normal
« on: August 12, 2021, 09:59 PM »
I am not prepared to spend my entire life talking about philosophy, cultural differences, hypothetical scenarios and theories, opinions and disagreements because you cannot accept a simple mistake with a consequence we were all responsible for.

There is nothing complex. It's very simple what I ask. Any decision, without exception, that can generate some debate and with potential to frustrate a player (like the one that happened to me and you acknowledged as something that could have caused frustration), listen to the player prior to the decision. It would be possible?

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Cups and Tournaments Comments / Re: Cup #1123, 80-normal
« on: August 12, 2021, 09:34 PM »
Yes Albus, players will always have a voice when there is something to debate. For example the aqua sheep incident, where hal voiced his opinion, you voiced yours and a decision was taken by the mods.

Some other times there is just nothing to debate because the game played doesn't meet the rules of this cup. For example, the game against fake SIBASA was deleted, there was nothing to debate there, the match was between Mablak and SIBASA, not between Mablak and whoever was impersonating SIBASA.

"When there is something to debate," I agree. But Dario, let's agree that the issue that involved me was not something so obvious to decide as in your example of SIBASA (one person pretended to be another). I and other people who think like me are so absurdly contradicting the truth? This fact that involved me was something that deserved at least to hear the opinions of those involved. I don't expect you to agree with me. But I just wish I had been heard. This involved more than the match itself. I didn't like the way I was treated. I was very happy with the victory, and suddenly Komito comes up and says something like that: Oh, sorry. My mistake, you guys can play it again.

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Cups and Tournaments Comments / Re: Cup #1123, 80-normal
« on: August 12, 2021, 08:02 PM »
The impression you give is that my opinion is irrelevant in your decision making. However, I don't understand the following: if it is so unnecessary to debate the matter or hear my opinion before your decision is made, why did you do it after the decision? If it doesn't make sense before, it should make less sense later. It would be like a judge who makes a judgment without hearing the parties, but after the sentence and after the parties do what has been determined, he says: ok, now I can listen to what you have to say and I will explain why I made that decision.

There is no absolute rule, there can always be nuances in the specific case, so listening to what the player has to say is important, especially when it is a decision that will affect them. Furthermore, it was because I brought these reflections that made you stipulate rules for something that had not been foreseen before.

Does Dario also think the same? Does he also think that, in any situation involving wrong scheme setting, the player doesn't need to be heard before making a decision?

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Cups and Tournaments Comments / Re: Cup #1123, 80-normal
« on: August 12, 2021, 05:04 PM »
Komito, I will be happy to play the next games. I respected your previous decision. The only thing I ask is the commitment, in the future, before any decision by you or Dario, be given the opportunity for affected players to express themselves in advance. This request I make is based on my concept of justice I have acquired in my life, especially in my professional life.

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Cups and Tournaments Comments / Re: Cup #1123, 80-normal
« on: August 12, 2021, 04:27 PM »
I read what you said, if you aren't happy, leave.

I'm not going to reply again to this because the decision is final, from both Dario and I.

I didn't say I'm unhappy. I just want to know if in future decisions you can hear the players before.

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Cups and Tournaments Comments / Re: Cup #1123, 80-normal
« on: August 12, 2021, 04:24 PM »
Wow Albus...

Read this carefully:

If you aren't happy with how moderators moderate their own events, don't enter, make your own and you can do whatever you want.

Looks like you didn't carefully read what I said. I'm just making a request for future situations. I respected your decision.

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Cups and Tournaments Comments / Re: Cup #1123, 80-normal
« on: August 12, 2021, 04:19 PM »
As a participant in the tournament, I would like to make the following request: before any final decision by the moderators, be given an opportunity for the parties affected by the decision to express themselves.

Today I have a better understanding of why I was so frustrated with what happened and I say with certainty: what frustrated me most was not the decision per se to cancel my game but the way it was externalized. Everything was decided unilaterally and very quickly. I believe that if a dialogue had been opened, with you explaining your reasons and listening to my opinion (even if you wouldn't accept), this whole situation would have been better.

Each person will have their opinion about the decision (whether it was fair or not). Despite considering it disproportionate and not agreeing, it is the duty of the participant of any tournament to respect the moderator's decision, as long as it is not a complete absurdity, which is not the case in the present case, as your decision has a minimum reasoning. And that's why I apologized. I apologized if it gave the impression that I didn't respect the moderators' decision.

But now, after some time, I understand that what came into conflict were some basic principles that I hold of justice.

I'm going to copy here some excerpts from article 5 of the Federal Constitution of my country, which was written on the basis of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and other international treaties:

TITLE II - Fundamental Rights and Guarantees
CHAPTER I - Individual and Collective Rights and Duties
Article 5. All persons are equal before the law, without any distinction whatsoever, Brazilians and foreigners residing in the country being ensured of inviolability of the right to life, to liberty, to equality, to security and to property, on the following terms: LV – litigants, in judicial or administrative processes, as well as defendants in general are ensured of the adversary system and of full defense, with the means and resources inherent to it;


This principle, for example, prohibits the judge in the process, as a general rule, from making a decision without hearing the parts of the process (inaudita altera parte).

However, it is jurisprudentially accepted the understanding that this right is not only valid between the State and the citizen (vertical effectiveness), in private relations the subjects must equally respect these principles (horizontal effect of fundamental rights). The Supreme Court of my country, for example, has already decided that an association cannot expel an associate without guaranteeing the right to full defense, even though it is a case of a relationship between individuals ruled by its own statute.

We should not make decisions without listening to the other parties. As I said, what bothered me most was not the decision or the defeat per se, but the whole appearance of authoritarianism overlaid on the situation. I'm not saying I was forbidden to express myself, but a few seconds after Komito became aware of the problem, he determined for us to play again. So I got the feeling that my opinion would be irrelevant.

Komito says he is very experienced with tournament moderation. However, I suggest that, even if you have already made your decision beforehand, keep it to yourself and listen to what the participants have to say, as this makes the player feel important, and not just a mere object of the tournament or entertainment for streams. Every player (noob or pro) is important, and listening to what he has to say makes him feel valued and part of the community. Therefore, I would like to know if, henceforth, before any final decision, Dario and Komito ensure that the players involved can express their opinion.

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I think the same. I don't know much about TA, but if it has some interesting features already complete and could be added to the game, that would be great.

I was informed that the program has a manual, which lists all the features. I asked to have access to this manual. If anyone who has the TA and wants to share the manual, it would be much appreciated.

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Cups and Tournaments Comments / Re: Cup #1123, 80-normal
« on: August 11, 2021, 02:37 PM »
Alright, so Albus, you back in the Cup?.

Yes.

Once it was recognized that the decision you took, at the cost of frustrating me, and at the risk of having influenced my performance for the second match played at the same day (I think it did, but no one has the obligation to believe), was the most correct and most beneficial for the Cup, I’m ok with it. I will respect your decision.

If the error is in the number of worms used, since this is a plausible human error but very easy to check, the round(s) will be replayed.

I agree that it is a plausible human error. But I don't agree that it's easy to spot. In the lobby, the visual aspect between 7 and 8 worms is very similar. And because it's something that rarely goes wrong, it's not common for people to look at it. During the game, however, a very attentive player will notice the difference. However, players who play more relaxed, for example, switching between windows, listening to music, drinking etc., can go unnoticed. In fact, during 1 hour of play, me, Mega'Adnan, Komito (host and streamer who was analysing the game), Vok (who was in the match), other twitch spectators (including Dario) didn't notice.

That said, let's move on!

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Cups and Tournaments Comments / Re: Cup #1123, 80-normal
« on: August 11, 2021, 12:20 PM »
However, to continue playing my cup games (something I want) I would like to request the following:

1. Only me or my opponent will host my games. And, because the obligation to select the correct scheme belongs to the host and not to the opponent, if one of us selects the scheme with wrong settings, and if this error is not noticed during the entire game by anyone, including spectators of the game, the victory cannot be void if the winner was not responsible for causing the error, that is, if he was not the host of the game.

It is fine with me about who hosts your games.

The correct scheme must be used, there is absolutely zero tolerance for mistakes, you compete at your own risk.

It doesn't matter who made the mistake, it doesn't matter who won, the correct scheme and only the correct scheme must be used.

It is the obligation of all participants, whether they are the host or not, to make sure they confirm the setup for the match.

You cannot join an official and competitive match, in a professionally treated environment, especially with a prize, and expect to be lenient about something like this.

What you are asking will directly influence and allow people to carelessly enter matches without even checking if it's correct or not, this is influencing carelessness and inviting countless mistakes and problems.

We have already been through a lengthy debate about why.

You are entitled to your opinion and I really do value you as a player and have came to consider you a friend over the past year, though it will not change the rules unless Dario and I both decide we want to change the rules for this specific Cup.

Besides being something very simple, it is my opponent's only duty to select the correct scheme. But, if necessary, in order to avoid the risk of having a victory voided because the opponent (intentionally* or not) changed some option in the scheme, in every game that I'm not the host, i'll navigate through all the settings of the scheme (including the extended options) to check them. But, I would like to register here my opinion/suggestion that, for me, the fairest thing would be that if my opponent was responsible for the mistake, he should suffer the consequences.

* when I say intentionally, I want to draw attention to bad faith players, who can change some option in the extended settings (or something else that may go unnoticed) and then, for example, if they lose, ask a friend to say that there was an error in the scheme. Thus, he can have a new chance to win in addition to gaining the bonus of being able to destabilize the opponent.

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Cups and Tournaments Comments / Re: Cup #1123, 80-normal
« on: August 11, 2021, 11:32 AM »
All right, guys. I came to the conclusion that it would not be beneficial to do a rematch with Mega'Adnan even if he wanted to, because if he loses it will be frustrating for him, and he doesn't deserve to go through that, as he did, like me, what was determined by the moderators, ie, play again the game.

I apologize for the criticism and for questioning the decision that was made at the tournament if that was disrespectful to the moderator's authority.

However, to continue playing my cup games (something I want) I would like to request the following:

1. Only me or my opponent will host my games. And, because the obligation to select the correct scheme belongs to the host and not to the opponent, if one of us selects the scheme with wrong settings, and if this error is not noticed during the entire game by anyone, including spectators of the game, the victory cannot be void if the winner was not responsible for causing the error, that is, if he was not the host of the game.

2. The fact that I received the news that my victory against Mega'Adnan was nullified, and I would have to play again, frustrated me, affected my psychological and performance in the subsequent game, which, for me, generated an unfair result in the second match. You don't need to believe me (as I'm reporting a subjective fact and I can't prove it and it's not something to be considered in re ipsa), but I want you to recognize the fact that, voiding a player's victory, by an error that nobody noticed during the match, it is a fact that can cause frustration, affect the psychological and performance of that player in the next match. As I said, I don't need you to believe me, but I want you to recognize this consequence as being a possibility and a risk taken in your decision.

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I understand that you and Dario want to do things in a professional level (extreme adherence to the rule etc.). But wanting to apply that mindset in an environment that has people like me, thinking more about having fun, that can inevitably create conflicts in situations like this, where you want to impose rules on people like me, who don't give that much priority for these things.

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