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Wormkit Modules / Re: wkWormOrder v. 1.0.1 released
« on: September 10, 2021, 11:33 PM »
Casually side stepping the comparison of those arguments and instead just calling your detractors liars and/or ignorant once again lol.

If anyone should stick to the subject it is you Komito.

You have tried to present your position as protecting the sanctity of professional play. That bringing this module to it's full potential would degrade the skill of the game because you find tedious nonsense worthwhile to pay heed to.

Many people do not concede this point. Especially cheaters who will just leap to the ezpz aforementioned method of disclosing full worm order with minimal effort.

I respect that this is not your preferred style of play. But you can't just decide that for everyone else. Especially when people can just lie that they are able to remember your worm order because they have good memory, when in fact it is because they just printed it out from the replay.

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Wormkit Modules / Re: wkWormOrder v. 1.0.1 released
« on: September 10, 2021, 09:08 PM »
I see cgar is still busy exaggerating and lying.
Again, ignorance. Do some research please.

Disagree with Komito and you are either a liar or ignorant. :D

Personally I would consider calling people I disagree with straight up liars a bit extreme but apparently for Komito anything that justifies his position goes.

It is unfortunate that Komito has resigned himself to a silly merry go round of nonsense that will apparently continue to clog up this thread for god knows how long.

Komito is against this module and would have advocated for it to not be released if it had not already been. This is despite the fact that doing so changes nothing in terms of cheating and unfair advantage. It is already trivially possible to do that as I have demonstrated.

Despite this, he continues to go on and on in this thread against anyone who disagrees with his position.
As I am investied in bringing honesty to this aspect of WA in the form of this module matching what is already possible, but in a more honest fashion, I will continue to push back against his efforts to apparently dominate the thread with his ideas alone for as long as it takes. I offered to just make 2 posts in the thread or here to summarize our arguments against each other into a more legible form for others to read but clearly hogging the thread with his rhetoric is more important  :(

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Wormkit Modules / Re: wkWormOrder v. 1.0.1 released
« on: September 10, 2021, 07:17 PM »
HA! I knew it lmao.

"This example is fine because I say so. It does not matter that it is basically the same thing"
 :D :D :D

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Wormkit Modules / Re: wkWormOrder v. 1.0.1 released
« on: September 10, 2021, 07:02 PM »
Albus's point is spot on. You're happy to moan about a module you are not invested in being a potential advantage to others. But when it's something you use yourself suddenly take no issue. What happend to your luddite'ism when it comes to multi binding keys with remap keys? Why does the silly "ItS nOt HoW tHe GaMe WaS MaDe" argument there?

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Wormkit Modules / Re: wkWormOrder v. 1.0.1 released
« on: September 10, 2021, 05:03 PM »
Exactly.
At least if this module gets updated to show both it will have a message saying that it is happening. Which will serve to at least nudge people to be more open about it. They could still do it in secret if they want, but this module will be more seamless so hopefully at least some who are doing it will migrate to the more honest option.

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Wormkit Modules / Re: wkWormOrder v. 1.0.1 released
« on: September 10, 2021, 04:48 PM »
It's apparently that Komito doesn't like it and wants to force everyone to not be able to use it.

I posted a while back the proof:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/885176762085023784/885729174336180294/ezpzWormOrder.mp4

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Wormkit Modules / Re: wkWormOrder v. 1.0.1 released
« on: September 10, 2021, 04:37 PM »
People can already do it so banning it to protect leagues is pointless.

And closed source modules are a terrible idea. Open source ones can be audited much more easily for anything nefarious that could be added.

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Wormkit Modules / Re: wkWormOrder v. 1.0.1 released
« on: September 10, 2021, 04:33 PM »
Any player who doesn't want this should not be forced to use this because someone wants to impose their will on everyone.
Any player who wants to use this should not be denied it because someone wants to impose their will on everyone

Especially when it's only already possible via 3rd party tools and shady methods, which we could possibly find ways to prevent instead of using that as the reason to extend that flaw.
Replays files are neither shady nor 3rd party. The replay format would have to be changed to make this impossible. But if anything it should be made more open, not less. To allow for more creativity from the community. Especially if anything people make just gets them flack from you. People should be encouraged to make cool things for the community not driven away.

Rather than use a weakness as your argument, it would be best to fix that weakness so it doesn't already exist, if possible.
Rather than refuse to acknowledge that this has been a common thing for people to do for years you want to instead suddenly lock everything down which will only serve to stifle people's creativity to make cool wormkits or make cool stuff surrounding replays. I am glad you are not an authority on this subject. Despite acting like you are

As i've said countless times, it's better to cater to everyone, rather than purely one side, give the people who want to use this the option to use it, while giving the players who don't want it the option to remain that way.
Are you speaking about yourself? That is exactly what this module would do! lol. That's what the message about its use is for. There is no message when someone uses the replay method. Or wireshark or whatever.

Maybe we should just summarize our points in a post each that we can update and keep itemized with each others rebuttals or something, instead of this needless back and forth.

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Wormkit Modules / Re: wkWormOrder v. 1.0.1 released
« on: September 10, 2021, 02:45 PM »
Casual players should not be hindered from getting this because someone wants to force tedium on everyone. Especially when it's already possible. The module should just be updated to show for all teams without a message to match what is already possible.

Maybe also add an option to have your own team order printed into the lobby and chat. Then even those without can have the same benefit.

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Wormkit Modules / Re: wkWormOrder v. 1.0.1 released
« on: September 10, 2021, 04:30 AM »
Yea, sure, I'm gonna push X to doubt on that one.
So that's the luddite thing you misrepresented as wrong and now the ezpz worm order thing too.
Clearly you want to just decide that "a lot" of what I say is wrong because you disagree with it.

So now that it is plain as day that this module will in fact not create an unfair advantage, but merely bring transparency, there really should be no issue with it from anyone. Except of course those who just want to lord over others, naturally.

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Wormkit Modules / Re: wkWormOrder v. 1.0.1 released
« on: September 10, 2021, 03:34 AM »
Voila, proof that its stupid easy to get the order. Since Komito is too lazy to look up the evidence himself. Despite apparently being on the lazy police.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/885176762085023784/885729174336180294/ezpzWormOrder.mp4

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Wormkit Modules / Re: wkWormOrder v. 1.0.1 released
« on: September 10, 2021, 01:25 AM »
You didn't prove anything regarding that specific point, you were wrong.

Erm, what? It was proven with evidence. From others as well. Do I have to make a video?!
Just stop trolling. Some of us would like to actually discuss the module.
Honestly, you're like a child.

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Wormkit Modules / Re: wkWormOrder v. 1.0.1 released
« on: September 10, 2021, 12:51 AM »
No, you were just wrong.
I proved it with evidence how am I wrong about it? Others also proved it, and improved it.

I didn't say the thread reached a conclusion
Never said you said that

Though hey, feel free to continue chasing ghosts, I don't mind.
More irrelevant nonsense. When was it you said that you would be more serious again?
If you are just here to troll then you shouldn't engage at all.

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Wormkit Modules / Re: wkWormOrder v. 1.0.1 released
« on: September 10, 2021, 12:08 AM »
[...] you aren't even close to being right on a lot of those things [...]
[...] this entire thread has already reached a conclusion [...]
[...] I have closure on that, so i'm all good.[...]

Ah yes, your opinion differs, therefore I am just wrong.

And the thread has reached a conclusion because you have reached yours. Even though it was the wrong conclusion and you apparently just ignored evidence to the contrary.

But hey, you have your closure . Perhaps now you will let the thread be about discussing the module then. Instead of being the "Things Komo dislikes, so no one else should have them" thread.

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Wormkit Modules / Re: wkWormOrder v. 1.0.1 released
« on: September 09, 2021, 11:34 PM »
I never said you said that I denied it.
I never said you said that I said that you denied it. You sure you aren't just here to troll?

I specifically asked if this was possible during a match and the conclusion was the replay file is locked during the match so you cannot access it. Or was that an inaccurate conclusion?
Whats this? All too happy to tell people to read the thread yet not doing it yourself? All too happy to call others ignorant yet not knowing that it is trivially easy despite the information being mentioned several times in this thread that you keep telling others to read???

My perspective, and my side of the argument is that instead of supporting unsavoury methods of getting an advantage by making something even simpler available to everyone, it would be wiser to prevent said unsavoury method in the first place.
My perspective is that I don't like paper or having to leave the game to record things or rely on my terrible memory. And we have the technology to do it inside the game to save time and tedium and allow for more immersive play. And that I consider any argument whining about it taking skill away or that it's like cheating is null and void due to the fact that anyone who actually does want to cheat already has trivial access to the information for both teams in secret in multiple ways.

Just because other people do something, doesn't mean everyone else should.
Just because other people don't want to do something, doesn't mean that nobody else should be able to.

Yes, you did.
Seriously? Luddite [1]: a person opposed to new technology or ways of working.
That's exactly what I was meaning, therefore I was not wrong in my use of it.
For a person so happy to tell others to look up words you sure do fail your own advice.

telling people on Discord I was "hiding behing emoji's"(or something very similar, I don't want to join again to check)
You don't want to login to check? That too much work for you? What happened to laziness is bad?
All I was told was that you wrote I was to f@#! off. I checked then mentioned there were also emojis.
Why would that even matter anyway? or indicate an inability to handle anything? or have anything to do with this issue?

So from now on regarding this issue, I will continue to write my messages in a serious tone.
I would appreciate this. When will you start?

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