indeed. Thats why the only suggestions to improve po places is increasing the games played to make playoffs. 50 for clanners and 70 for singles would be my suggestions.

pr made 50 games and deserved his place. Hes a better player than you otherwise you would have a higher overall rating, espically as you did 100 plus games. If you won more you would have higher overall rating.

dub-c nearly made playoffs only with 50 games and was active during the last month of the seaosn. it was only because he bumped out benz that benz played more games to give himself a higher seasonal than dubc, who didnt play for the last 5 days of season.

If dub had made the playoffs would the same argument be here? I don't think so. I think tus is working fine. The selection of people in the single playoffs is fair. You just werent good enough beer. You dont see me crying because i didnt make it either. I played over 100 games and was in the top 20, i have a strong overall rank of 16th but i didnt make it either. I need to increase my winning precentage, not drop points in defaults and rope a little better to improve my overall. Just get over yourself and try harder next season.

ok. my mistake. it wasnt very madden or your clan mate. It was the season when people could reset ratings and you earnt loads of seasonal because you reset your overall rank from star rank back down to bronze of 1000 points. Then you earnt loads of seasonal points to make a playoff spot.

I think point 3 is the only valid options out of beer's suggestions.

Once point 3 is taken into account and i suggest not 100 games but 70 for singles. 50 for clanners. There wont be inactive people with higher overall rating abusing the system. 70 and 50 are alot of games. It doesnt matter if a clan does all it games in the last 4 days of the season like beer's suggestion. If a clan comes on and plays 20 games in the last 4 days then with a winning ratio of over 50% and a high overall they still deserve that po spot.

Don't have varitation dates this is silly. If anything make the season length the length of the actually 2 months. That will add to less confusing than checking the season information. Some seasons will be 61 days, others maybe 62 day. Everyones last day of that month would be end of seaosn.



I would like to add that beer is a hypocrite. He is complaining about pr playing games at the end of the season. Beer did the exact same thing with his clan mate madden at the end of season 9.

The only thing to make playoffs more representitive of the active players of a seaosn is to increase the limits. But you still need good players in playoffs. However an active clan that is 117 - 100 doesnt deserve playoffs in my view. How about increasing the winning ratio to 60 and see if it makes much of a difference?

Quote from: Ray on February 20, 2010, 09:34 AM

I had this idea plenty of times: the participants selected by their overall rating should be selected from the top 20 players and top 10 clan of seasonal results.
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this wont work tho. It makes overall rating a handicap on players who have been in the league the longest. look at flori. Cus hes got elite rank, he can have a winning precentage of 75% and wont make the top 20.

Increase the games so inactive clans and players cant make it. Increase the winning precentage too if you want to make it harder!

shit i forgot about these playoffs!!

CKC is pretty active and see CF online a fair amount too. Shouldnt be a problem to get these games done.

how about saturday or sunday this weekend CF?

i prefer fab maps to mab!!

my map pack is also awesome and will soon be ready for release after 3-4 years of collecting dust in my map section.

4 clans is fine, its always been 4 clans for playoffs,never 8 and clan leagues have been way more active than this in past with 4 clans making it. Maybe improve make it so it stays as 4 clans but they need 40 or 50 games.

can you rr? we need an rr'er :p

I have refused to ttrr twice. First against pp, second against TaG. All the other times we have asked for default only clanners or "no ttrr wxw" plz and i would happly rope or shop. I have also played plenty of ttrr's for ckc and won some. Sure theres some replays somewhere.

not wanting to ttrr has only happened when its just been me and dulek or me and dubc. Twice it has caused a problem out of probably 20 other times. Normaly cfc don't mind picking a default as they can get alot of points for a win, or RoH enjoys picking t17 or bng. Even doh picks roper and i play against crash and zippo who are strong in this scheme.
In the situation against tag if we went 1-1 we would still of lost 20 points even tho we wanted to pick hysteria which would of given us 40. We want to maintain getting points when we play. Yea its lame, and in the past i have played plenty of ttrr clanners, and i have won some because of having a strong mate get a nice time that gives me an extra few seconds over my rivals or they do fall. But back then the points were different and we could still gain from it.


People make refferences to how old ckc is and all that.. how people in your clan should not care if you lose for them etc. CKC is 10 years old. It has gone through many stages, it was once a bng only clan, we would not ask for rope clanners. But back then clanning was different and we werent a serious clan. More a group of bngers and defaulters.

We have gone through era's of being a serious competitive clan, to being not serious and wanting to just fun. For example, after coming back from periods of being inactive, it was fun to just clan even if we would lose because the members had not clanned for ages. Like when i came back after not playing last winter.

The hardest thing about being a clan leader is balancing the two principles of being a clan that is competitive, or a clan that is not serious. There are different clans out there, tdc is not very competitive, although i think that will change soon. CF is highly competitive. Today the leagues are highly competitive. Players get booted from clans if they lose too many clanners, people don't get recuited into the top clans because they are not skilled enough. Clans which win the leagues on a consistent basis care about winning and don't enjoy losing games. Players leave clans if that clan loses too often. CKC used to be a stepping stone clan for top players, people like dibz were in CKC for a long time but we had other members losing us clanners and dibz moved onto dt as they were better than us at the time. Same with nino.
Clanning is about having fun for sure, but i have friends on wormnet who i have considered about having them in CKC, but then thought their league style is not good enough.
"You and your friends don't have to all wear the same t-shirt" skippa made this point when smole wanted some of his mates to join ckc who the majority of the clan did not think were good enough league style and we voted against them joining.

Basically my point is the majority of players today get annoyed when they lose a clanner, some of them cry loads. The clan league is highly competitive and you can't deny the way players join and leave clans is influenced by the skill of those players being recuited or booted. I find it funny that TaG came here trying to smite me when about a month ago Twy booted some of his members like guaton for going on a losing streak. Maybe i should boot myself out of CKC cus i suck in ttrr? Don't act like your shit doesn't stink TaG and try to make me out to be lame.

But yeah, it sucks to avoid and refuse peoples picks. I do agree with NAiL's points which i would quote but this post is getting too long. The overall rating of a clan should represent the players which are active now. That is fair, and CKC is not as active as it was, before wooka, devilage, sogeking, juice and lordhound were all active. Now it is mainly me, dulek, dubc. Our overall rating should reflect those which are currently playing for the clan. Thats fair enough. Theres nothing personal with your comments either NAiL. You bring good arguments and same with beer.. I can take critisism. Its fair enough to be annoyed. Id be pissed if people refused to elite me when i could win 50 points or whatever in it.

Ive skiied the main apline ski run. "Dave murry" and done the upper dave murry section which they was mainly closed for races in about 3 turns! Zoooooooooooom!

The mogoul freeskiing was amazing.

I agree beer. It feels lame doing it aswell. But what feels worse is disappointing my clan mates and losing points they have earnt. I have more respect for them and care how they feel, then what the community and everyone else thinks of me.

the only player? yourself and beer consistently refuse to bng me. Crash refuses to bng me. Thedogg would not play me in defaults, he still does not shop or bng me. If you want to make this a thread of everyones mistakes and flaws on wormnet then so be it. Two wrongs don't make a right, so its no excuse. But don't make out im the only player who has done this in the past because im not.

I also remember you not playing me NAiL untill my overall points improved when i first started tus'ing because you knew you would lose alot of points for 1-1's.

i didnt ask for clanner, on both cases tag and pp were asking. And we said yes but i wont play ttrr :p

i wont ttrr or wxw clanners without a keyboard, its frustrating enough playing below par all the time, let alone to bring down my clans rating.

On the matter of pissing your pants, you've done the same when we asked pp for clanner playoffs, "not today im on laptop" as you go play elite cup.

Also. Whats more lame, picking someones weakest scheme or avoiding playing your weakest scheme?

pp could of elited but they went for what would be easiest win because i was there. I doubt they would of picked ttrr if ryan and lordhound were asking for clanners?