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Quote from: Komito on February 22, 2013, 07:11 PM
Ok then Free, I have an idea that might suit you, let's be serious about this.

For example:

You take on Casso.

Someone else takes on Gabriel.

Someone else takes on Random00.


Or if not all these people can play, there are few others of equal skill. How about that? Then this way you only have to play the amount of games you wanted?

Ur not really paying any attention to what gets typed? You live on your own fantasy world and everything else seems to bypass your thinking process.

What does different players playing against 3 players have to do with the challenge I (pay close attention to the the word I) proposed, I can't control how they play or how effectively they will try to demonstrate the flaws and boring gameplay of effective Hysteria tactics.

U really don't get it. If someone else wants to propose another challenge, knock yourselves out but my challenge and conditions stay exactly the same, if it doesn't get accepted, then fine, I can live with that. More than me reaching the winning ratio, the replays would illustrate how boring and un-natural effective Hysteria tactics are at it's core.

Quote from: Komito on February 22, 2013, 06:28 PM
Free, I ain't dragging anyone down anywhere, you and the rest, are the ones who made this thread, YOU ARE THE ONE WHO OPENED THIS FREE SWEARING ABOUT 20 TIMES !

If you don't want to meet these conditions, simply stop posting.

Your proposition is pathetic Free and you know it, propose a REAL challenge like a man if you dare.

Wow man.

Quote from: MonkeyIsland on February 22, 2013, 04:01 PM
Free tone it down a little bit? You haven't been warned here. Let's keep it that way?

It's Komo dragging people down to his level with his stupid ass comments, I've obviously made my conditions pretty clear, and they are not met and I'm not going to torture myself by playing any more lamesteria than I really need to. I'm not the public enemy #1 that has problems with Hysteria and I made myself pretty clear multiple times that I'm not going to play more than 1 top player simply because of my own well being and then "Mr. I know Everything because I say so" comes and tries to make me look like I'm avoiding something when I was the first one to put myself on the line.

The challenge would just be the cherry on top of why Hysteria should be moved/changed as scheme, and what those 10 games would show more than anything is that how lame and boring effective Hysteria tactics really are. I'm experienced enough as a default player and seen and played enough Hysterias to see the obvious flaws. 1 second is simply not enough. There's so many good posts by ShyGuy or people in previous thread trying to explain this already, it's not like I'm the first one trying to start some kind of revolution here.

Quote from: Komito on February 22, 2013, 03:21 PM

Quote from: Free on February 22, 2013, 03:02 PM

Quote from: Komito on February 22, 2013, 03:00 PM
Free, 1 player, as MI said, isn't enough, if you really want to go through with this, you must player 2/3 sets at least.

That's just your(s) opinion, I'm sure you know what I mean by not enjoying some scheme and not wanting to torture myself by playing it anymore than I have to.

In my opinion it makes a clear enough statement, in your(s) opinion it doesn't. If there's no agreement (cuz terrorist lol) then f@#! it.

Then if you don't enjoy playing the scheme, because I am guessing, you don't find it suitable to your personal standards of what is "worthy" enough in the League, and you have a chance here to do something about it by accepting a small challenge you only need to dedicate around 1 month of your life too, you will still have enough time to do other important things in your life though, and you can't be bothered? Because you don't even want to play this scheme?

So why then are you even bothering to post a thread to do something to change Hysteria, you talk the talk but you are not willing to walk the walk... You understand your offer isn't fullproof, so we offered a counter which is pretty valid imo... This is your chance?

If no one is willing to put their money where their mouth is, can we stop creating threads like this in future please?

Or does anyone else feel up to the challenge?

Stfu already about me not standing behind my word. My conditions were pretty f@#!ing clear and I still haven't backed down from it, so stop making me look bad when your the one who's considered being the f@#!ing idiot of forums.

Quote from: Komito on February 22, 2013, 03:00 PM
Free, 1 player, as MI said, isn't enough, if you really want to go through with this, you must player 2/3 sets at least.

That's just your(s) opinion, I'm sure you know what I mean by not enjoying some scheme and not wanting to torture myself by playing it anymore than I have to.

In my opinion it makes a clear enough statement, in your(s) opinion it doesn't. If there's no agreement (cuz terrorist lol) then f@#! it.

Quote from: Komito on February 22, 2013, 01:07 PM
Free, man up and take the challenge against 3 top players?

You made this much fuss about it, follow through?

I'm not the only one to make "fuss" about Hysteria, if you look back on the X amount of threads created before.

Like 4th time I'm ready to take the challenge but I only agreed on playing 1 player, so yes I AM FOLLOWING THROUGH, you ignorant idiot.

Yeah it's rather obvious you don't get it, hence the challenge ain't happening.

It's really not that hard to see that Hysteria is the most flawed scheme in Classic and something needs to be done, otherwise there wouldn't be so hard opposition.

If Hyst wasn't so popular, you guys would do something about it long time ago, so let's face it, it's a popularity issue more than scheme issue.

Edit: If you would read my posts, you would know what my "trouble" is.

And so you want 65 of us to take the challenge because we don't want Hysteria to be in Classic as it is?

I will play with Casso but only if the challenge terms are met (hysteria gets moved/modified instantly if 40% win ratio), I will not see the trouble otherwise or play more than Casso.

The scenario you illustrated is very common if telecow and darkside zook tactics is used from the very beginning, so yes it most often than not becomes 1v1 war IF other player decides to play "chesteria" You can take a look at dt's playoff hysterias, I'm pretty sure that most (if not all) of them ended on 1v1 situation eventually and usually after a long painful darkside zooking, there was an hour long hysteria played because Mablak was playing and he's like Random, he has the nerves to sit around and wait for the other one to make the mistake first.. it was REALLY boring to watch, ended on a teledraw and after that they had another 30-40min game.. and I think that ended on a teledraw too.

Hahahah

Maybe it's time to lock this thread. What's even more sad than not doing anything about Hyst, is that we, as community are getting more separated, this is just one of the prime thread examples of how some scheme/league issue is addressed and then it becomes a flame war.

In theory, let's have everyone vote and make a difference sounds f@#!ing great, it really doesn't work in our community, we got more than enough reference experiences over the years.

Have a council that makes decisions instead open polls/threads, maybe we stick tighter as a community then.

Quote from: MonkeyIsland on February 21, 2013, 09:50 PM
While we're at it, why shouldn't we rethink other schemes as well?

Amen. This won't never effectively happen with "everyone gets a vote" principle, it would work with a council of X amount of active, smart, top all-rounders with a lot of experience.

I don't see you taking these actions though, so whatever.

SPW, it's funny how you say that a hysteria league would be a joke for "them", with having nothing to base your argument on, it needs to be tested first.

Yeah I'm done with this thread also. The reason I mentioned Intermediate is because the scheme utilizes most of allround skills an allround wormer can have, so it's natural to try and make it as a classic scheme even though I understand the problem with bo3 taking too much time, but with effort, I'm sure TUS could solve it.

I like this community too much to get too bothered anymore and get any more personal about this.

But in all seriousness, I'm out, peace.

<3

Sense of class/dignity/style is always a matter of opinion, it has nothing to do with an actual scheme flaw(s). What the f@#! is wrong having a with "winning" mentality, it doesn't automatically count out the "fun" factor as you seem to think Komo.

"I swear man if Hyst gets removed" Lol man.

Classic schemes ain't all "fine" from competitive point(s) of view on Classic, but Hysteria deffo has the most problems, hence it gets brought up the most. Just the simple fact Intermediate still ain't part of Classic, shows how little NEEDED changes gets done on classic.

Nope, not giving up, atleast myself. We definately need to think of new ways to approach this. Spamming forums didn't work out, orange is busy with girl so streaming has been pretty much off-line, so more streamers would be needed.

I sent a very important e-mail to T17 PR person 3 weeks ago through Cybershadow and still no answer and what I heard through the grapevine, theres some "inside politics" that are messed up or summin, but definately no answer  considering legal issues which is the most important thing for me if I want to invest money on this project to try and make it "boom" faster.

Quote from: MonkeyIsland on February 20, 2013, 05:32 PM
I don't know where do you get "1". Any player could have a bad day. I've seen Dario failing in Intermediate or Mablak in TTRR. Trying to get a 40% win versus one player, could have a lucky result, although I haven't seen such result yet.

Reason for "1" is stated pretty clearly in my previous post(s), its best of 10 games, Casso said I will win 2 max, I'm sure he's smart enough to take the "bad day" factor into consideration also.

"Altough I haven't seen such a result yet" Exactly.

I'm actually suprised the poll is even so close to 50/50, majority of potential voters being just the Hyst lovers instead the minority of potential "true competitive all-round" player voters. I'm sure we can agree on that. Most just want to play their hysteria and don't give a f@#! about all-round skills.

Why it's such a no-go with having Hysteria as separate league? Would most probably benefit most of us.

Why it's so hard to see that Hysteria needs tweaking as a scheme, like KRD said, something as simple as thinking about the amount of worms Hyst starts with, could already make the scheme more playable and not look so stupid from competitive point of view, killing your own worms, you can f@#! up A LOT and still actually end up in pretty even 1v1 situation, darkside zooking which bores people to death etc. etc.

D1, yeah don't bother.