Quote from: Cueshark on July 24, 2012, 10:52 PM
What I said in that quote was true though.  Are you actually disagreeing with it?

Either there is telepathy or there isn't.  Can we agree on that?

Isn't it quite obvious I'm disagreeing.

Quote from: DeathInFire on July 24, 2012, 09:59 PM

Quote from: Free on July 24, 2012, 09:55 PM

Quote from: ropa on July 24, 2012, 09:53 PM
the universe is infinite, thus by definition, everything you can imagine lives in it.

Yes this is the way I think.

Think about it, how can it NOT exist, if you can imagine it.

So basically what you are saying is, that if I imagine I can breath under water, I can do it?
Or better yet, when I imagine a human being under water breathing, it is possible?

No that's not what I'm saying.

If you can let's say visualise that you can breath underwater, then it does exists in this universe. It currently exists as a mental image in your mind.

Quote from: ropa on July 24, 2012, 09:53 PM
the universe is infinite, thus by definition, everything you can imagine lives in it.

Yes this is the way I think.

Think about it, how can it NOT exist, if you can imagine it.

Edit: I wouldn't use the words "lives in it" necessarily though.

Quote from: Cueshark on July 24, 2012, 09:45 PM
I think truth is absolute.  There either are supernatural forces at work in the universe or there are not.

N1 ropa, you knew exactly who I ment. x)

So you're implying that you know the truth, Cue? You have absolutely no idea how much information you might be missing to even come closing making decisions like that. I'm not force feeding my theories to you guys, I hope you're not force feeding them to me. We can discuss.

In my worldview nothing is supernatural, because I like to think everything that happens is natural (non-dualistic point of view), but since we're talking about "mystical" things, the term needs to be used.

Quote from: DeathInFire on July 24, 2012, 09:29 PM
I am into Ancient Aliens theories. Many "holy" writings are wrongly translated to fit into religion and when you look at them now, they actually rather describe people that saw things, just like we do nowadays, that we would call UFOs. Be it Meteors, unusual lightning or some unknown energy/light.

I am not saying the ancestors were visited by Aliens, I just like the theories. But they sure did see things up in the sky just like we do nowadays and religion just ripped it apart and fooled people to believe that it was god.

What I do believe is, that we really underestimate our ancestors and they were more advanced than we thought, there are many sightings of stone work that, even with 21st Century technology, would be rather hard, in some cases impossible to do.

Another thing, that I recently sunk my head into, are the Hessdalen Lights in Norway. They are actually scientific researched UFOs, pointing to potential point-zero energy or a natural event that still remains unexplained to us. I highly recommend to watch the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNObDdZPsY8

I also like to think that our ancestors had more knowledge at least on certain things than us.

Another thing that really fascinates me is Sacred Geometry. What you guys have to say about that?

Hence, let's agree to disagree. My Big TOE is the best example of scientific testing towards "supernatural" things I can think of. If that's not good enough, I got nothing more to offer considering that topic.

This thread was going the wrong way so I didn't wanna continue. Looked like another flame thread in the making even though the active writers are all smart guys (don't know about our troll though)

Take a look at My Big TOE and then tell me science haven't looked into subjects like these.

WOAH

Maybe I'll find the value to respond here later but obviously this thread ain't going nowhere productive anymore. Let's just agree to disagree.

Just because science (scientist Thomas Campbell has studied this kind of area a lot so anyone interested should read My Big TOE, link is on earlier posts) hasn't figured out YET the mechanics behind supernatural events doesn't mean they don't have the possibility of existing.

If you go back in time and start explaining to cavemans what fire is, they'd probably rock you to death. Earth was once flat etc. etc.

FFS I just wrote a big ass reply and pressed some ctrl+ combination which closed the whole tab.

I'll get back at this later, I really need to get going.

By the way, I'm not claiming I'm a superman or anything :DD I just said what other might people might experience as supernatural, falls into natural category for me, I'm not claiming I can do them at will or anything. Felt like you guys we're twisting my words a little bit so I had to clear this out.

Here's food for thought when it comes to telepathy, copied from the ayahuasca thread I linked in my last post.

"Looking for telepathy is like the fish looking for the water -- or even more, like the water looking for the water. You could say in a very true sense that we are made of telepathy. We are creating this world together out of our shared web of telepathy. Shared not only with other humans, but with all life forms -- though since our telepathy is only partial with other life forms, we experience this world in a different way than a tree, an insect or a cloud does. In our sleeping dreams, it is easier to visit each other as individuals, because we can recognize each other more easily outside of the groupmind consensus world. It's like, the stars shine during the day, too, but you can't see them till it gets dark. Your saying, "Tell me what object I am thinking of" is a little like saying "Point to the star Algeiba" in broad daylight. The fleeting, surface kind of thought you are focusing on is the kind that takes the greatest degree of sensitive connection between two people, because it is so light and changeable, no emotional impact whatsoever, almost nonexistent. A purely mental thought with no emotion behind it barely ripples the surface of the water, let alone stir the deep currents at the telepathy level.

Telepathy works best when going unnoticed, taken for granted. When I was young my sister and I used to practice telepathy intentionally, and we found consistently that it worked least well when we were "trying" to do it, and best when it went something like, "Hey, what animal am I looking at a picture of?" "I'm busy, I'm not in the mood to do it now." "Come on, just guess something!" "I told you, I don't feel like trying it now!" "Come on, guess something!" "I don't know, a lion! Now quit bugging me!"

If you were to pay close attention to your fellow humans, you would see casual unconscious telepathy happening among friends and family members constantly. We are a species that forms telepathic bonds and needs their nourishment to survive. It's only when you start getting self-conscious about it that it starts becoming like the caterpillar considering how to run.

This world is created directly from our consciousness, much the same as our sleeping dreams.

The difference between sleeping dreams and consensus reality, though, is that our sleeping dreams are our individual domains, and the consensus world is woven by all of us together, through our telepathic consensus that is constantly discussing among itself how it wants this world to be. That is why consensus reality is more stable than individual dream realities. It is one telepathy that is experiencing via infinite points of view, each point of view unique. The only thing that makes you and me "different individuals" is the fact that we are different points of view, having different experiences and histories.

Through the spaces, the threads of telepathy weave together to weave a world. If there were no distance between our points of view, if we were all only one point of view, there would be no loom upon which to weave this world. The consensus world is more stable and hard to change than sleeping dreams because it is a collective creation of many distinct points of view, weaving their energy patterns (created of thought, experience, memory, expectation and belief) together.

If we were not connected, the "world" would not exist. Not even our individual sleeping dream worlds would exist, because without a consensus world through which to gain experience, we could not be individual viewpoints processing experience, and without individuation of viewpoints, there would be nothing to create sleeping dream worlds.

You suggest someone try to catch an ephemeral gnat of a thought from the surface of your individuated mind, while not considering the awesomeness of the telepathic ocean of which you are a part of the One Mind."

Quote from: Rok on July 23, 2012, 10:48 AM
@Free: I'm genuinely interested in an explanation about these "frequencies". My understanding of the word frequency is number of repetitions of some event in a certain time interval. When we say that two radio stations transmit on different frequencies, we know we're talking about oscillations of electric currents (electro engineers will kindly correct me where I'm wrong, but you get the point...).

What frequencies are you talking about, what phenomena do they describe?

How can I better describe it other than the whole universe consists of energy and the atoms vibrate and this enables there to be different frequencies (herz). Think of it like a radio, those are the frequencies I'm talking about.

Quote from: Cueshark on July 22, 2012, 02:03 PM
"Another substance used in South America, especially in the Amazon basin, is a drink called ayahuasca, caapi, or yajé, which is produced from the stem bark of the vines Banisteriopsis caapi and B. inebrians. Indians who use it claim that its virtues include healing powers and the power to induce clairvoyance, among others.

Another method of divination was to drink ayahuasca, a narcotic that had profound effects on the central nervous system. This was believed to enable one to communicate with the supernatural powers."

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Ok, so this substance is widely acknowledged to produce some interesting sensations and effects.

@Free.  So you took this stuff and experienced what you believe to be kind of remote viewing or something.  Seeing with your eyes closed.  But you actually attempted to apply some scientific controls to account for the possibility that it was just in your imagination.

The controls you applied was that your girlfriend changed something in the room and with your eyes closed you worked out what it was.

After succeeding in this challenge you have concluded that there definitely wasn't a boring mundane explanation for this.  Instead, you literally saw through closed eyes because of reaching a higher plane/dimension through this substance?

Am I right so far?

Yes pretty much. It definately felt like I was observing "out of body", and I could even see through physical objects also, I could see what I had in my fridge for example or how my bedroom looked "through" walls. If a table might look and feel solid, it's only atoms packed densely and at the time it felt like atoms we're pretty "loose", I could see and feel the sofa when I went to lay there, but I could also see through the sofa.

I haven't studied remote viewing that much but experiencing out of body (sober, sleeping, not under substances) I have no problems believing that it can be done on certain settings.

For me the experience was as Real as me sitting here on the computer and typing this reply.

Check this out, this guy claims that he could understand AND speak Japanese without ever even studying it after coming down from Ayahuasca session

http://forums.ayahuasca.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=22026 (he speaks that his "friend" experienced this but it's a common thing to write to psychedelic forums like your friend experienced that, probably legal issues, might be his friend also though)

I understand WHY it might be hard to believe my experiences as I wouldn't believe either without having these experiences, I can relate and understand but after many WTF moments, supernatural feels pretty natural for me.

@ropa

You've always been the forum troll as long as I can remember and when you start disrespecting Ayahuasca (just because you don't know any better) and my "dealer friends" your crossing the line in my books since these are serious topics for me. I can troll with you in other threads. It's totally okay to not believe anything I say but have some respect at least.

It's just my experience, not the "ultimate truth".. I sincerely hope that anyone of "you" will "understand" this. After this "realiziation" I'm ready to answer anyones questions and "debate" if it's not like ropa's disrespectul "statements".

Yyyeah I won't even bother. I respect your view on the matter though.

1st of all. Are maps like this allowed in TUS? Cr8's go in "Bl corner" where your not able to pick it, hence your breaking the rules every time cr8 goes there and it's unfair anyways.

2nd. You complain how you "lost" the game when Neptunes blocked you EVEN THOUGH you we're the one who started blocking that hide and even continued it after Neptunes offered to not block you.

3rd. You didn't take your punishment from not hitting the wall. Neptunes, the rules say you need to quit the game if opponent doesn't take the punishment if you want to claim the win, if you continue even though he doesn't take the punishment, you can't take the win.. just for future situations.

You Kinslayer, are pretty damn lame.

My main question though is are maps like this allowed to pick?

Quote from: ropa on July 21, 2012, 03:07 PM
So you and your girlfriend tripped on the same shit. Like both of you started seeing Smurfs at the same time, how could that be? How could two different people claim to be seeing the same magic at the same time? Must prove Smurfs exist.

Too bad your brain might be tricking you into thinking you're seeing them or have seen them just because the other person is claiming he is seeing them.

There's a lot of psychological theories on the subject of telepathy (hormonal work, etc), what they conclude? Telepathy is but an illusion but it's impossible by definition. Very possible to unconscionably fake it though, to the point you actually believe it's happening, specially with the use of narcotics.

Surely a person like you Freeman, not naive by conception, can understand that whilst your experience feels really real, it's still chemicals affecting your brain, and if the narcotics industry was advanced enough, we would already have God pills. Eat one, realize Christianity was always right. I mean, why not?

edit: one could argue these so called shamans aren't very happy themselves either (in reference to scientists not being happy people themselves), what with having to experience a different reality, which they claim to be real, to enjoy the actual one?

My gf was sober. I understand why you have hard time believing though, no worries