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#991
Off Topic / Re: The Big Religion/God Debate
July 21, 2012, 01:45 PM
@HHC

What do you mean by 'frequencies'?

Well, it's like a radio station, you turn the knob and the frequency and therefore channel changes. If you are feeling low energy state as in "lazy", you can't be "super pumped" at the same time for example.. therefore you only experience what you're tuned into. On one of my trips when I drank Ayahuasca, I could see with my eyelids closed (even put my hands in front of my eyes to make sure) the same space I could see with my eyes open, and it wasn't just "me tripping balls" as I could describe the room and the changes my girlfriend (she was fully sober) tried to make in there so we could "prove" it wasn't just my imagination. I was tuned into frequency that scientists would think is not humanly possible probably. It's a common thing to have an objective trip (as in others experience/see the same thing you do) with Ayahuasca (its possible with other substances also I'm sure). I believe that when you switch dimensions from 3d to higher ones, you are able to experience a whole new range of frequencies that your not able to experience with 3d alone. When you dream, I believe you are not bound by 3d reality.

I reckon that mankind has a very limited sense of what reality really is. We operate by a 'mere' 5 senses, surely we miss out on a lot of things. But there's science..
So let me be straightforward: what is it that science is missing according to you? Which 'frequencies' are they overlooking?
Are they frequencies that could potentially be unlocked? As in, are they scientifically 'measurable'?


I reckon mankind has a very limited sense of reality, but I don't think this has always been the case, I believe "mankind" had way more information back in the regarding energy and manipulation of energy than we collectively have nowadays.

Science is the building block of information but I'm the first one to say I don't fully trust science as it's still very limited on some cases. There are a handful of scientists (Thomas Campbell for example) who also explore the inner workings of reality as well and are able to mesh it well with understanding of "socially and culturally" accepted science nowadays. My understanding of hardcore scientists is that they are not very "happy" persons as one could say (compared to Shamans for example, how they appreciate nature and life as a gift), it's like they miss out on EMOTIONS quite much when their brain is fully occupied by the logical side and trying to rationalize everything into a box. Not every scientist is like this ofcourse, but I feel like it's the most common thing.

Since "we" wanted to experience this Human Experience, the biggest thing we miss out as other life forms is EMOTIONS. Energy and universe flows, we should flow too and not "box" everything up and put a label on it. Improving the state of mankind through science is never a bad thing (sometimes it can be, look how much we pollute our planet because of we want to have more of everything), but more than that I think we should focus WAY MORE on the quality of the human experience.

Life was a playground as a kid, and that's how it was meant to be.

Everything that is/was/will be experienced, has its origin on the ABSOLUTE CORE TRUTH (we are energy) and it's only our MAN MADE LABELS that give meaning to things that we perceive with our senses.. so nothing is really dualistic in the true nature of experiencing reality. It's all pure truth, whatever happens.. whether you play a game of worms or whether you die. Nothing actually changes, it's just your dualistic point of view which might think otherwise. <- This is key point to understand IMO.

That's a very odd comparison... worms vs death. Can you elaborate on it a little more (as you say it's a key point). I guess 'you' (as in 'energy') remain the same after death? What changes over a game of worms then?
 

Hahaha! :D Figured I'd use an example we all could appreciate :P Nothing changes, that's the point. Game of elite has the same "impact" on your core being as death has if you look at universe from non-dualistic point of view. Yes, "your" energy stays the same, only the frequency has changed.

I believe that when we started to separate from collective/unite consciousness to singular consciousness we lost touch to our true CORE self.. which I believe to be everlasting (as we/consciousness/YOUniversum is all just energy that vibrate on different frequencies).

When did we lose this? At the act of birth? Or during childhood?


I believe that during childhood.

You can create/experience ANYTHING you want (astral travel/lucid dreaming) without the limits of your physical body.. and these are just the frequencies that we can experience with "brain-consciousness".. and in the end.. you have created this whole human experience yourself.. your pretty damn good.

Do you do lucid dreaming too? What's your method?


I used to be big into lucid dreaming (I know NAiL is also as we talked about it) and I noticed I couldn't force myself to go out of body when I was just trying to go to sleep, the vibrations felt really uncomfortable and I had problems with other methods also. There's an easy to way lucid dream which I use quite often. The main thing for a successful lucid dream is to have you body as relaxed as possible but so your mind is still alert. Easy way to achieve this is to wake yourself up from middle of sleep, I used to have an alarm clock waking me up 2-4 hours before I had to be awake, this enabled for the body be already on the relaxed state but mind to be fairly alert, then I'd just go back to sleep and I almost always had very vivid dreams and with practice you're able to lucid dream also. You need to tell your subconscious mind that you want to be lucid by repeating this your subconscious throughout the day, most importantly by the time you go to sleep. Then if your one lucky son of a biatch, you become aware that you are dreaming.

This said, I'm not an expert by any means when it comes to lucid dreams and visiting really high astral planes, so you should do your own research. Google is your friend and you find many forums dedicated to lucid dreaming. I've only had couple of OBE's and bunch of lucid dreams. I lost the ability to lucid dream or to even remember my dreams when I smoked weed every day, now that I've been taking a break from smoking for almost couple of weeks now, my dreams as back and man they are really vivid! Last night I was the bodyguard of the French President and we had an awesome time getting drunk and partying, met with my ex-gf and hooked up and last but not least, had sex with Sasha Grey! :D My dreams are most vivid after I've woken up just for awhile and then gone back to sleep. Haven't been lucid in these past few weeks yet, but it's been really close. I'm sure it's just a few subconscious suggestions away ;)

Would you consider this dimension a 'dream' of our own making?

Tough one, I'm not sure what to make of it. In this "normal" dimension we are able to feel emotions but in dreams we're able to do anything we want.. and we only give meaning and emotions to the dream when we wake up. That said, everything we can experience is the "pure truth" so no dimension is less "real" than the other. Life is pretty damn amazing. :)

I kinda feel DMT-trips are a lot different than dreams are they not? I've never had a dream that sparked visions anything similar to what DMT-users seem to report (or near death experiences which are said to be caused by DMT being produced/released).

Yeah they are a lot different, DMT when smoked is a realllllly intense way to try it out and it blows you THE FUG OUT so far away to "space" faster than your mind is able to comprehend. With Ayahuasca though, the journey is more "mellow" and it really does become a dreamlike state. Common term used among experienced Ayahuasca drinkers is "dreaming". Ayahuasca and DMT is different thing also, with Ayahuasca you use other plant materials with the tea also to induce more "spirit guidance" into the journey and this is my experience also. What amazed me the most with DMT visuals is how multi-dimensional and repetitive they can be, patterns inside patterns inside patterns inside patterns with precision that is mind-boggling. Nothing like I've ever experienced with Mushrooms or LSD. I also understand how those with no experience with the substance wonder if it's just a personal hallucination but ONCE you've done it, you are sure you were connected to a SOURCE. Words just cannot describe it.

Did you take this up in Amsterdam? Lol

Nope, I was very blessed to have this chemist friend here in Finland who I call "Urban Shaman" as he truly f@#!ed around with consciousness, he made me my first Ayahuasca brews and also thought me how to make it so I could do it on my own, I've had under 10 Ayahuasca journeys and I haven't done any psychedelics except mushrooms once for almost 4 years now.

Cool though, I've read stuff on DMT before (and it's spiritual qualities). I still havent made up my mind though whether the things you 'see' when you're on DMT really hold any objective truth or meaning, or whether they are merely illusions.
I mean, there's lots of things people see when they do drugs and even basic alcohol can make you experience reality pretty differently than normal. How can you tell whether this drug is truly sparking visions of reality?


Everything you experience is the reality once you look at it from non-dualistic point of view.

And I guess I'm also dying to hear that this 0-2 vs mm of tonight was but an illusion

Hahah, sorry m8, mm is above gods.

@Komo

Human beings are born with 2 fears only, fear of falling and fear of loud sounds, everything else gets instilled to us by surrounding reality (not sure if this even answers to what you were wondering but just throwing it out there). :D

As a human I wouldn't even WANT to know the WHOLE truth as I feel it would make my human experience become really black and white, what's there to explore if you know what's in front of you.. so yes this is all just another theory.. but I've been always drawn to "mystical" things and I really enjoy talking about subjects like these.

Edit: so many grammar errors, hopefully I got most of them out.
#992
Leagues Playoffs / Re: Season 26 playoffs
July 20, 2012, 11:20 PM
Quote from: Mablak on July 20, 2012, 10:42 PM
CF and mm: next weekend probably doesn't work for me, maybe Saturday August 4th, 20 GMT?

Works for me.
#993
Off Topic / Re: The Big Religion/God Debate
July 20, 2012, 10:54 PM
EVERYTHING I'M ABOUT TO SAY IS MY OPINION ONLY. I'm not trying to force feed anyone anything.. but I understand these are tender subjects  so I wanted to make sure everyone understands this. :)

Nothing is really "supernatural" as it all falls into "natural" category once you have higher understanding of surrounding reality.

YOUniversum as Consciousness and "us" is ultimately all just Energy which vibrates on different frequencies.. and when "your" consciousness vibrates on different frequencies, you experience the nature of things differently. Therefore you have different understanding of surrounding reality when your consciousness hits higher/lower frequencies. The amount of data you can process on your current frequency and "supernatural" frequencies is VERY different.. and this is what changes people. You've experienced more than you thought was ever even possible.

I've visited frequencies that most would consider "supernatural".. and visiting those higher manifestations of consciousness has changed me and the way I perceive the surrounding reality.

I had to explain all this so you would understand where I'm coming from and what I'm truly trying to say.

Dualistic point of view means that if there is darkness there has to be light, if there is good there has to be bad etc. When you filter your surrounding reality from dualistic point of view... I believe you are missing out on the TRUE nature of things.

Everything that is/was/will be experienced, has its origin on the ABSOLUTE CORE TRUTH (we are energy) and it's only our MAN MADE LABELS that give meaning to things that we perceive with our senses.. so nothing is really dualistic in the true nature of experiencing reality. It's all pure truth, whatever happens.. whether you play a game of worms or whether you die. Nothing actually changes, it's just your dualistic point of view which might think otherwise. <- This is key point to understand IMO.

I believe that when we started to separate from collective/unite consciousness to singular consciousness we lost touch to our true CORE self.. which I believe to be everlasting (as we/consciousness/YOUniversum is all just energy that vibrate on different frequencies).

My point of view when it comes to experiencing surrounding reality changed from singular to collective once "I" visited those higher frequencies with more data to acquire

Even though we might experience inviduality.. we are all the same consciousness with NO separation.

This makes me believe that we are all God (or whatever you want to call it) and you can't be taken away from your MAIN SOURCE. You have always been and will always be, just your consciousness frequency changes (as the human mind understands it). We are EVERYTHING that we can experience, whether it's human experience or just a "blank empty void" (as most of us think of death).

Think of dreams for a small example if this all seems hard to grasp (which I'm SURE it does, but I do understand where you might be coming from).

You can create/experience ANYTHING you want (astral travel/lucid dreaming) without the limits of your physical body.. and these are just the frequencies that we can experience with "brain-consciousness".. and in the end.. you have created this whole human experience yourself.. your pretty damn good. Why do you think you can't create endless other dimensions/life forms AT WILL when the limits of your physical body are removed?

If someone is interested of the history I've had so I could visit these "high" frequency places with massive amount of information to gain it all started with a "substance" called Ayahuasca which mainly contains substance called DMT.
It's said that humans produce DMT in their pineal gland (third eye) and it's believed to be the main activator of dream states (not scientifically proven yet, but pretty damn close). This said Ayahuasca only opened my eyes and made me from "doubter" to "believer" and I still work with myself day by day to become as "Free" as I can be, so it's not a magic pill to fix everything.

You can google or youtube documentaries of DMT and Ayahuasca if your interested.

!!! It can be also really terrifying to experience something this profound as your "socially and culturally" programmed mind ain't used to it. I'm not suggesting ANYONE of you try DMT or Ayahuasca without serious knowledge and information of what you are about to do. I truly suggest that you try it with a Shaman that has experience with Ayahuasca. !!!

Remember guys, these are only my opinions and experiences of surrounding reality, I respect each and everyone's opinion on the matter. :)
#994
Off Topic / Re: The Big Religion/God Debate
July 19, 2012, 10:28 PM
Quote from: Abnaxus on July 19, 2012, 10:09 PM
What is scary, it's that you all claim for one thing or another without even knowing what you're talking about.

None of us (on the earth) knows the answer and the only way to know is death (weither we "live" and understand or die and "can't know": it's still an answer).

So talking about it is one thing, claiming it is the truth is just dumb.

What is scary is that YOU claim that we ALL claim for everything to be certain when we express our opinions. Many of us here obviously are just talking and talking about our own opinions and beliefs. You claim that nobody can know for sure before we die, and it's a pretty hefty CLAIM also m8 ;)

Edit: What actually is even funnier is that by claiming we know for sure when we die you are implying that there is "something" that is aware that we died. :D

#995
Off Topic / Re: The Big Religion/God Debate
July 19, 2012, 09:53 PM
I did read it but for me, I'm not talking about religion AT ALL.
#996
Off Topic / Re: The Big Religion/God Debate
July 19, 2012, 09:42 PM
I should pick my words better as they are very limited in meaning still.

For me brain-consciousness and consciousness is different thing, other is created by brain and other I like to call "spirit" or as Pierre Teilhard de Chardin puts it "spirit-matter" (if I understand him correctly). What I'm saying is that I believe that when we "die" we are fully conscious about it and some "other" consciousness than brain-consciousness becomes dominant. Call it God, Spirit, Jizz.. whatever.. they are only words.

"There is neither spirit nor matter in the world; the stuff of the universe is spirit-matter. No other substance but this could produce the human molecule....Biologists or philosophers cannot conceive a biosphere or noosphere because they are unwilling to abandon a certain narrow conception of individuality. Nevertheless, the step must be taken."

He has interesting theories about evolution, God and cyberspace for someone who might be interested: http://world.std.com/~snet/mind.htm

Also My Big Theory Of Everything or My Big TOE by Thomas Campbell is very interesting read for those who like to learn about "mystical" subjects with scientific explanations. It's a hefty read, ~800 pages but it can change lives.

You can read it free from Google Books: http://books.google.fi/books?id=RYHtBPiZVgsC&printsec=frontcover&hl=fi&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false

In the end, nobody "knows" for sure (yet) and it's a matter of Faith.
#997
Off Topic / Re: The Big Religion/God Debate
July 19, 2012, 08:38 PM
We're not humans experiencing spirituality, we're spirits experiencing humanity.

I do believe that Conciousness exists outside the body and that we are "everlasting". It's only scary if you don't trust that you were made from LOVE.
#998
Quote from: Husk on July 18, 2012, 02:32 PM
me pelataan janun kans tänää =) haluuko joku kattoo?

English you puto x) We're just about to play with Husk if someone wants to come watch.
#999
I should just lose every hysteria from now on so that no1 picks it against me cos points xD
#1000
Ah my bad. We'll see.
#1001
Me and Husk agreed on Thursday 16:00GMT
#1002
Leagues Playoffs / Re: Season 26 playoffs
July 16, 2012, 07:19 PM
I could show up, but I won't rr so it depends on other dudes.
#1003
Take care man.. that's so brutal. :((
#1004
TdC / Re: TDCs?
July 10, 2012, 10:56 PM
HB CAMELO!
#1005
Quote from: jot on July 09, 2012, 09:13 PM
 we was both playing,wasn't any alias ; p

That beer can is on daaaangerous spot lol