Nah, that wouldn't be fair, tomorrow at 6 GMT instead then?

Quote from: Ray on July 16, 2013, 12:33 PM
Hey Mablak, I think we better arrange something for the weekend, weekdays are pretty messed up (haven't slept last night for example). You said 19GMT or 6GMT in PM, I think Saturday 6GMT sounds good now, if it's good for you.

Alright, we can try 6 GMT, Friday night for me, might want to make a backup time in case I go out though.

Appreciated gents, I'd like to see the score improved further though ;o

Ach, I was going to get a score of 106, but I didn't know HHG was low-powered. Standard power is kind of the assumption for a scheme like this ;0.

Crash definitely had a disadvantage, but on that last turn he was able to sheep you (I tested it), which would've made the game closer, potentially giving him the chance to at least tie. I'd say redo.

I don't know how much I care myself, but ea needs to settle this right now before games get played. The way they did it in CWT was actually filming the pairings, which is the fairest way to do it. I would probably be in favor of that if other people are.

Thanks for the vote of confidence Crazy and folks, that'll help me perform better ;0. I'm trying to get back into elite shape (for 1v1s at least), it's strange how hard it's become to find good opponents, and you can't exactly practice many aspects of it against yourself as you can with inter. I just hope I'm not unprepared when we start playing ;o.

Quote from: franz on June 19, 2013, 01:38 AM
You say it's something almost everyone can easily do, but it's not like extreme spacebar sensitivity has been openly promoted in any way either.  It's just been lurking more than anything.  The select few who've modded their keyboard still have a large advantage over everyone, yet it isn't openly taught or given proper guidance like with a detailed 'how-to'.

Run a poll and again I'll bet only a select few admit to modding their space.  If it was so easy and accepted, you'd think everyone would be doing it by now and the playing field would be perfectly level, but I claim it is not unfortunately.

There you go. 

Anybody proposing that we limit key sensitivity has to come up with a standard that we can't go under, in grams, since we've never had such a standard. But I don't see any reason to do that, when there are no negative consequences to allowing maximum sensitivity. It's something almost everyone can easily do, and doesn't actually ruin any scheme as visual aids do; as far as I can tell it opens up slightly more roping possibilities, and that's it.

If you look at virtually any sport, people generally have to pay hundreds of dollars more to get top of the line equipment, yet most of us would consider those sports relatively fair. With keyboards, you don't even necessarily have to pay a dime more, and those advantages in equipment are open to everyone. Yes it's an advantage, but it's one that we all have easy access to, no barriers such as money.

I think this might be a little too much effort to put into each shot.

What about just reducing the turn time of BnG to like 3-5 seconds? Not as crazy as hysteria, but still makes it hard to notch or use visual aids.

Yes aids can't be monitored, but there are other things we disallow despite being unable to monitor. If you want to say aids are a logical step, then your argument equally applies to any kind of macro, or anything you can get away with.

I feel like this completely ruins BnG, there's no need for memory at all if you can just see a list of shots and their notches underneath the opponent worm, I would rather axe the scheme than allow something so mindless.

Why rule out the webcam idea? I don't think there's as much hassle in setting up streaming live, compared to capturing directly from the game. It would take a unified effort but it would result in a more skill-based league. I would pledge to try it.

Also, I don't consider it a logical rule to allow notes, aids, transparencies, paper for straight shots, etc., just because they can't be enforced (except live or with a cam). Macros can't be enforced either, but it's better to disallow them.

How pathetic does the league look to a newcomer, when they see you have to print off distances in order to really play one of the schemes?

Bar's argument doesn't really hold water, i.e. that it's more efficient not to use aids. You don't need a cumbersome table to look at, you can just print usable shots and their notches right below the distances themselves. Wherever the worm is, you would be able to instantly see all the shots that could hit. You do of course still need other BnG skills, but it's a definite advantage, especially if you happened to forget some notch distances.

I'm with avi, the only thing that bothers me is that people like SPW know about the no visual aids rule, but aren't arguing to reverse it when they use aids themselves.

The only way I see to actually save BnG, if people really want to save it, is to mandate webcam streaming, at least for playoff games. I mean you can get some cheap ones for 10-20 bucks, it would probably take like 2 hours of effort for most people. The question is if people care enough, I would be willing to try it.

Doesn't make sense to establish a limit on spacebar/arrow/etc. sensitivity, because there's no standard kb with standard sensitivity, from the start of WA we've all been using different kbs with different amounts of responsiveness. Sensitivity of the keys seems like a parameter we should be able to tweak as much as we like, since there's never been any disagreement that it's fine for it to vary significantly from kb to kb.

In terms of visual aids though, it's not something we started with much agreement on, and it seems like most people are against them. And yes, you can't use visual aids currently. We certainly could allow them, but they ruin BnG (even further), and in other schemes allow people to write down information, use transparencies for distances, etc.