Quote from: NAiL on April 26, 2012, 06:17 AM
Quote from: Mablak on April 26, 2012, 05:27 AM
What are you talking about Nail? Currently the majority appear to want it in. Poll says 26 want it versus 25 who don't, and among those 25 there are surely some who would at least try it out, and there are also some who assume it'd have to be bo1 or bo3 and don't like the particular option they've assumed. But granted, not as many people vote in these polls as we want, and not all of them have the greatest idea of what's best for the community.
You've got to think long term, we always need new blood. We have shopper in the league mostly to lure in those fresh noobies. But it's not working out at the moment, as MI has said its activity is way low. Inter has similar potential to lure in newcomers, and it's one of the most hosted schemes. Looking at HostingBuddy statistics shows Inter is the 2nd most hosted, and Shopper is the 1st: http://stats.worms2d.info/hbschemes.html.
If shopper's not working out right now, we should try inter again. As I've said before, there's an ever-growing Russian community that loves intermediate, and we have the potential to grab some of them. And now I think bo2 would be a good compromise between bo3 and bo1, as Dario suggested. MI would just have to find some way for us to report 1-1 outcomes. bo2 would ensure the average match lasts about 35 mins, probably on par with T17.
You quoted my whole post but only responded to one point. I responded to your point about replacing shopper with inter and how that isnt fair. The majority does not want it, if you say that out of the people who voted no outright some will try it, out of the people who voted yes but only bo3, some of those people are not going to play without bo3, and out of those who voted "yes but it needs tweaking", some of those will not play because it all depends on what the tweaks are. We can see people have reacted negatively to proposed "tweaks" and they won't play if they aren't happy with the scheme. Im counting the "yes but only bo3" votes as obsolete because bo3 inter is NOT going to be part of the classic league and we all know that.
The main point I made was that we tried intermediate as part of the classic league before, you could choose how many rounds you wanted to play, it didnt work. It isnt fair to force people to play two rounds if they dont want to, im repeating myself here, it just wont work. I agree with dub, I cannot see how adding intermediate to the classic league is going to attract new players. Everyone who wants to play it competitively is already doing so on ONL, and most of those players have no interest in playing other schemes. Repeating myself.. it wont work, we tried it before and it didnt work, what we should be discussing is what is going to replace TEL. These russian guys... they will join TUS just to pick inter in the classic league and then be forced to play ttrr and wxw..? Just dont see it working.
Id like TNL to come back or ONL to merge with TUS as I keep saying, I think thats best for intermediate on TUS.
Most of the bo3 people haven't considered bo2 yet, I'd count them as more likely 'yes' than 'no', but the poll doesn't matter that much. TNL would be fine, but it would only potentially add lasting activity for clanners (and probably only if the NNN players decide to try it), there wouldn't be much reason to play singles TNL when you can play NNNL. The reason I want it in classic league is to GET people to play it, and get some of the new players who already play it to check out TUS. Honestly, I don't see TNL being more active than TEL though.
As to why we need to try intermediate again, I said it: because of the ever-growing community of Russians/newer players who play it; the community has changed. When I'm playing intermediate with noobs, I direct them to NNNL when I remember to. I can't possibly tell them to check out TUS, because there'd be nothing they're familiar with there. I feel like that's a genuine reason to have it as an option. I would personally make an effort to tell newer players who are interested in intermediate to check out this site, and they would have a reason to stay.
But also, interest in the scheme is higher among the TUS regulars than it was last time. You've got Husk, Free, Barman, Lacoste, Random00, Thouson, Chicken, Titahemp, me, a lot more people would say they really like the scheme this time around. Things are different enough to say that it's worth a try.