TEL game needs to be removed; I guess I forgot to report in the right order, Dario needed to report 1 game then I needed to report 3.

Thanks, that money makes me happy, I need as much extra cash as I can get ;_;. Anyone here who doesn't play intermediate should still watch some of the matches, lots of determined playing.

Nice, haven't seen any replays with higher damage than that ;O

You'd probably need infinite turn time to get the most damage possible, or if not, xspeed or something to launch as many donkeys as possible in a short amount of time :V

I did these both today, not amazing but cool enough:

Hey ryan, nice to see you stop by. Just having a job is great these days, I just got one after a long break. Hope you can fit some worms into those busy weekdays ;0

I'll admit, I've never noticed this before, good find!

Zippo reported a tus classic league match we never played, and he even commented on it, though he apparently left me to make the complaint. Presumably trying to get people's attention that he beat me at TEL ;0

It's a good time, dunno if I can get past the 26 range

I wasn't saying anything about the elite league existing or not, it was hypothetical. For a more concrete example, no one would suggest removing BnG from the main league just because a2b is around; the scheme is kept for its skill level and uniqueness.

Speaking of which, compared to BnG, the enjoyment factor of intermediate should hardly be an issue, BnG has really become unpopular in main leagues. But in the case of intermediate, I highly doubt many people in TUS have played it enough to deem it fun or boring, most people who don't want to play it simply don't want to get good at something new, as you'd expect for any new league scheme, but that can change with time.

Quote from: Uber on October 08, 2010, 12:16 AM
BUt seriously, u guys want 2 add intermediate 2 increase acitivity cause so many plays it? But do u wanna be a contestant 2 the other "intermediate only" leagues? is that it? Imagine we add it, 50 more players join tus from NNN, they own at intermediate, suck at most other schemes (tus classic league schemes). And then u might say "well they will learn other schemes bla bla". but then we are back 2 the league being at a v v low skill-level, and ppl that like the competetion and being an allrounder will lose the fun. Worst scenario: all the Intermediate only players join the league; pick inter each time, others pick rope/rr bla bla vs them. 1-1 all games. at the end u dont wanna play such a player. Like me, id avoid em cause i really dont like intermediate. We could rather report a 1-1 before the game, so boring. WHY COMPETE WITH OTHER INTERMEDIATE LEAGUES IN THIS MATTER!? Mablak, shyguy and rest that wants it, why dont join/stick 2 Intermediate lleageu and play it there? If its so many playing it, u shouldnt really have a problem finding such matches if u want. I for my own sake, rather not. And if 2 players from TUS league really like it. join an intermediate league and play the game thru there. I could see ur points if such leagues/options were missing, but they clearly are not...

And its no point in trying 2 make this a debate over luck level in the scheme, no doubt its a scheme which require alot of skill, BUT imo its for those who are specially interested in it. And as i said many times; u DO HAVE plenty o options 2 get those competetive Intermediate games played, in real matters like bo3/bo5 which it SHOULD be played.

Okay. So once there's an elite league, why don't we just remove elite from the regular league?

I can see your point about too many schemes, but not having a worthy scheme in an all-round league makes the league less deserving of the status 'all-round'. We obviously can't include every scheme ever, but intermediate has a lot of things other schemes don't, such as a high skill level with all the basic weapons, rope knocking skills, jetpack skills, etc, and it really helps round out the definition of an all-rounder.

As time goes on though, the number of league-worthy schemes simply has to increase, the league system should simply account for this if it ever becomes a problem. For example, it would make sense if you only had to be an all-rounder by having some skill in each 'class', where a class contains one or more schemes, so just being good at one scheme per class would be enough. Thus people could choose not to play certain schemes, and only gain skill in one or two schemes per class, and they could still be considered all-rounders without having to learn every scheme ever.

Quote from: Random00 on October 07, 2010, 10:02 PM
First of all: There isnt that much luck in Shopper if the scheme is good. I can't remember a single shopper that I lost just because of bad luck. But basically thats because the average shopper skill is very low compared to other schemes.

back to the topic:
I don't see any reason to have Intermediate on tus anyway. But if someone does't want to ONL, but likes Inter so much, then he should have the chance to play it for Free Legaue at least.
There was no Hysteria only league or some Hysteria community. So I dont think you can compare it to the introduction of Hysteria to the league.

It's not that I dont like Intermediate, I just think it shouldn't be part of the classic league.

Why exactly don't you see any reason to have it? I find it silly that low skill schemes like shopper are part of a league solely because of popularity, when we could add in schemes with much more skill and a more than sustainable popularity level. Inter has the skill level and popularity needed for a league scheme, and adding it would bring more people to the league in time. Just look at all the people who host intermediates with hosting buddy.

And just because inter already has its own league doesn't mean it shouldn't be part of regular leagues. Should we be removing elite from the main league because it's getting its own league?

Bo1 intermediate really doesn't depend on luck that much, far less than something like t17 or shopper. But as always, it depends on the map, and people who don't play the scheme much tend to pick easier maps without realizing it, which is why I'd suggest caves as a standard (and there's not much problem with variety here, considering people play t17 and elite on only one type of map 99% of the time).

As MI said, I doubt it would be played in free league, since people would probably choose to play nnnl over a side-league here if they had such a hankering. But in the main league it would have more importance, and just like hysteria, people would start picking it more and more.

The main problem is really just new-scheme-phobia, but there's no way to introduce a new scheme without this happening. People are afraid of learning something they're not already good at, but like with hysteria, sometimes this shouldn't be that much of a factor, if a scheme has really become popular on WN and proven its worth in terms of skill.

Intermediate (hopefully the nnnl version too) should definitely be in the regular league, and since there's nnnl, I don't think it ever really needed its own league here. If people aren't sure about playing it bo1, using cave maps every time works out well for minimizing double kills at the start.

I really have no idea what free league is though, seems kinda superfluous whatever it is. The fewer leagues the better, just an elite league and just an all-round league would work fine. And I wouldn't expect much activity for rotated league, though I do support leagues geared towards individual schemes, because they're very skill-enhancing and competitive. Just that some schemes are quite popular and others aren't, I doubt a RL would be worthwhile on the whole.

What time did he get, I'll beat it

Daina wanted this, here it is:

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