kk, I'll take the loss once you have answered these questions

Quote from: Senator on April 16, 2015, 08:54 AM
When j0hny used this bazooka glitch, you gave us chance to choose between skipping and not attacking the worm next to barrel. So you let us do other than rules say.

When j0hny attacked that worm next to barrel you said "ok, you guys need to skip a turn now" and Chelsea said "ye skip". Again you accepted that j0hny does a late skip, and he indeed did "skip" his next turn.

So if you forgive the opponent for breaking the rules or accept that they perform the skip a bit late, you can still post a complaint and the game will be void or even the result changed?

Quote from: MonkeyIsland on April 21, 2015, 07:38 PM
It is a no-brainer, we had an even game, a cow and a late skip penalty which resulted in the win of the team who broke the rules. dt lost by a huge margin. Game's void.

1. The timing of the skip didn't play a role here since we had several turns to attack the worm next to barrel (our worms were not nearby). So the game would have been a draw even if j0hny had skipped right away.
2. What if we had won by one turn margin? Would the game be void or dt's win? Where's the line? Imo the decision should be the same regardless of the result (our win / draw).

I'm surprised if majority actually picks unofficial version of the scheme. Probably many pick/demand BnG with /ts just because it's official rule and they are used to it, not because they think it's better that way

except it was a draw xd or are u referring to some old case?

Quote from: avirex on April 21, 2015, 04:15 PM
next time i cow, im not taking penalty.. ill just go for the win/draw.. void game beats a loss any day.

I'm not sure why u think u could do that based on this case..

1. j0hny took penalty (according to the current rules it was a proper skip, only late)
2. u gave us approval to perform the skip late

Wrong game. Mega'Adnan -> Senator in this game https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/game-188980/

Quote from: Aerox on April 20, 2015, 09:28 AM
How did you make the rules for schemes? They're pretty bad.

The scheme files have also changed over time and looks like the uploaders have not listed all the rules as they should be.

For example current Shopper scheme site doesn't say anything about CBA rule and Elite is the only scheme where using glitches is said to be forbidden.

Quote from: spleen17 on April 19, 2015, 11:32 PM

Quote from: avirex on April 19, 2015, 10:05 PM
this is the type of shit that will cause anarchy.

next time i see some turn to kill a worm with a cow, f@#! the walls.. im taking that turn...

and in my "skip turn" ill just knock worms all the f@#! around to where i want them for my team mate...


wxw maps are all flat surfaces, with 30 seconds i can knock a worm to the complete other end of the f@#!ing map practically, and you think that will be considered a skip turn, right MI?

cant wait to play wxw now that i completely understand the rules.

But the mods will void any game where you do this, I think is what MI is saying.

So basically, only do it when behind

Read what MI said. If you break the rules when u are behind and don't skip or the effect is so huge that a skip won't balance the game, the win will be given to the opponent. So you can only ruin an even game by acting childish and breaking the rules on purpose. And I'm sure that mods won't let you do that shit frequently but they will give the win to your opponent in further cases.

@ Skip turn discussion

I think it's fine to collect your crate and take a new hide/pile but knocking should not be allowed. "No knocking" would be a clear rule. If you wan't to make a pile, u should do that without moving other worms.

Any response from dt ?

https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/free-playoffs/?s=23

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Quarterfinals

piki1802 (1) vs pizzasheet (8)
Chelsea (4) vs Zalo (5)

Phanton (3) vs Kano888 (6)
tita (2) vs Hurz (7)

Semifinals

piki1802 (1) vs Chelsea (4)
tita (2) vs Phanton (3)

Final

Chelsea (4) vs tita (2)

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Final deadline: Thursday 2015-07-16 (20 days)

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Use this thread to arrange your games. No effort before the deadline = disqualification.

it's only 1-1 (Phanton hasn't reported his win yet).

Quote from: avirex on April 15, 2015, 10:02 PM
senator:: stop saying this zook glitch did not benefit your game, it definitely benefits your game that the zook glitch threw chelsea to the barrel, regardless what weapons you had in your inventory, you used an illegal one to get him to the barrel..

man, j0hny had 6 seconds to make another knock to the left and place a mine on the right side of the worm or zook him down. Your worm was gonna fly down one way or another. Sure you have right to request a skip after that. Just don't expect any mercy next time u break rules accidentally without benefiting from that

Quote from: avirex on April 15, 2015, 11:24 PM
lets assume you did want to follow the rule literally, and you want to be able to do anything other than attack, because its not your fault if rules leave room for interpretation, right??

even with that logic, j0hny did not "skip" until 2 turns later, if you guys want to find loop holes in the rules, thats cool.. but you cant pick and choose when to take the penalty in order to maximize the effect of the loophole ;p

When j0hny used this bazooka glitch, you gave us chance to choose between skipping and not attacking the worm next to barrel. So you let us do other than rules say.

When j0hny attacked that worm next to barrel you said "ok, you guys need to skip a turn now" and Chelsea said "ye skip". Again you accepted that j0hny does a late skip, and he indeed did "skip" his next turn.

Anyway this game should be voided imo. You simply can't make a conclusion that another skip early in the game would have meant additional turn for you 10 mins later at the end of the game.

Quote from: avirex on April 15, 2015, 06:35 PM
@senator: exactly what ANO said.. im not sure why you are so shocked we asked for a penalty...  if you break a rule you skip a turn, even the fairest clan on w:a (tdc in my opinion) would ask that you skip a turn if you break a rule...

im not sure who your playing that says "ahh np, you broke a rule and there for put me on top of a barrel that you will blow up next turn, np tho.." i would like to play them though.

There is a difference between benefiting/not benefiting from a rule break. A common situation is when you try to shoot rope but shoot bazooka instead and damage both your own worm and the opponent. I haven't seen anyone asking to skip in that situation. Like I said, we didn't benefit from that "cow" because we had several ways to drop your worm down (placing a mine being even less time consuming than this bazooka glitch).

Quote from: avirex on April 15, 2015, 03:07 PM
ok, so.. j0hnny did that zook glitch at 6:25where the zook sticks to the worm for some seconds, acting like a nade, which as far as i know is illegal??

this resulted in chelsea falling on a barrel...  they tried to say it was no benefit to them, because it was easy to get those results with a regular zooka as well, i do not agree...  i dont think it was impossible, but i think it would be a very difficult shot, with the worm that close to the wall, and the wind he had to send him to the barrel without the zooka glitch.

they also tried saying he didnt do it on purpose, lol... which is clearly not true as well..

Chelsea asked for a skip, but i was thinking it would be more fair if i gave them the option, to either skip one turn (and then they can attack barrle or whatever else they wanna do) or.. dont skip a turn, and just do not attack the worm that was at the barrel... i thought i was being fair, but i guess they thought otherwise...

I said j0hny didn't know he actually broke a rule. j0hny could have easily used a mine to drop your worm down and he had also plenty of time to knock your worm closer to the edge to zook the worm down. So we didn't really benefit from this "cow". Usually when such a meaningless cow occurs, people say "np no need to skip" so we were kind of pissed to hear u asking to skip.

Quotethey took no penalty, until a few turns later,at 12:30 johnny knocked me for fd, and then knocked me some more for a pile with chelsea, and then knocked us even more to put us at the barrel, and said that was his skip.

IMO a skip is, collecting cr8, and going back to the hide you were in... sometimes ppl hide,  not sure if thats legal either... i think rules should be more specific regarding if your allowed to hide after cr8 grab, or you should go back to original location.

but as far as knocks, that should deff. not be considered a skip.. first off, it was an aggressive turn which gave damage to my worm. Second, it gave them a clear advantage for future turns. Third, its a commonly used tactic in wxw, skip going for the walls if you can set up your partner with a good pile, or a barrel just by knocks.... so for those reasons, it should deff not count as a skip..

Like you said, rules are not specific about what you can do during skip turn. Rules say "If you break any of the rules mentioned above (WBA, CBA, AFR) you must not attack your opponent during your next turn, but you're still allowed to get your crate." If you follow this rule literally, u should be allowed to do anything but attack. I agree that you should be only allowed to take the crate and perhaps hide. But is it our fault if rules leave room for interpretation?

Quoteanyway, the game resulted in a draw... me and chelsea each had 1 worm each, and was TLAD turn, they killed me, then sui'd on chelsea to kill him...   

soooo.. sorry the post is so long, but now i wanna know... should it be our win??? they gave us extra damage due to an illegal move, so we would have had more health in the end, and his double kill would not be possible, and they refused to skip... which also would have given us more health....   if they had taken the penalty they deserved, the game would have been our win..

You can't say "it would have been our win if they had skipped". If j0hny had skipped another turn, that would have affected the following turns. In other words, you and we would have played differently after that. Maybe I wouldn't have made that big fail in the end, which made the game a draw instead of an easy win for us?

Even if we had won, you could say the same "if they had taken the penalty they deserved, the game would have been our win". Usually mods void a game if a cow happened earlier in the game.  If we had finished the game by breaking a rule, it would be your win.

Phanton when can u play? Thursday or Sunday 15-20 GMT?

https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/game-188688/

Attached the right replays. Attachment #1 is rematch and #2 a draw.