Quote from: MagiC on February 09, 2011, 04:51 PM
saturday 25th of february 7PM GMT is ok for us cFc

That is spot on perfect for me, I will post on cFc forums and check to see if they can make it also, if not, what time they are available at, and reply soon, I never noticed this post before for some reason even though i'm sure i've read this thread...

Funny you corrected yourself, cuz I actually read like "i'm not mod" lol.

But yeah, I totally forgot he had his name changed, my bad lol.

I am not sure if I reported this against the right account, there are 2 h4mm3rs but I am sure it's the same guy, maybe he should merge accounts or something?

Edit: Oops, nvm, was just my history telling me I typed in xTiFx`h4mm3r` before lol, sorry.

LOL ! That was insane ! I was laughing my ass off when he's trying to get out with rope, then he shoots a zook and I started coughing I was laughing so hard lol, that was excellent Dragon nice one

Here is another example:

https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/game-56240/

Watch from 12:20

I try a double bank, miss, and do the exact same aim next turn, and hit it, I didn't re-aim using my thumb cuz I was too busy talking or something, so I didn't have time to put my thumb up there lol, so I just re-aimed it quickly.

I guess my point this time is, I don't even really need to use my thumb to re-aim, it doesn't actually help me out as much as you think it might, I actually 1st started doing this just to save time re-aiming because I minimise alot and normally come back to my turn with about 7-8 seconds left.

Nvm, I forgot he had his name changed.

Well, there is a nice shot @ 12:55 since you are reading this.

I think the re-aiming rule is mainly to stop people doing lame shots and repeating them without re-aiming, it just looks horrible, like someone throws 4s at you, then just keeps doing that without re-aiming.

For some reason it just looks good to re-aim, although re-aiming is pretty pointless lol.

What are you saying I don't take into consideration, I have taken everything into consideration, I just don't share the same view the way you see things.

There is nothing more I can say about this anyway, I explained how I feel perfectly in my previous post.

We will have to agree to disagree.

a2b Weekly BnG Tournament - Thursday 17th February 7:30pm GMT

We didn't have a Tournament last week as I was on holiday and no one else could host it, so we will take off from where we left off.

I only have enough vodka for like 3 drinks, don't get paid until tomorrow how much does that suck

Hope to see as many as possible tonight !

In worms channel - #PartyTime

2on2, knockout style.

a2b rules and a2b scheme to be used ONLY.

Remember a2b now includes Shotgun with infinite ammo and 1 star power, for use correcting hides or opening yourself so you have a better angle.

Rules are as follows:

# No straight bazooka shots.
# No sitters.
# No repeat shots.

    * If you hit someone for 34 HP or less with a shot, you can't use that same shot again until you have either hit them with a different one, or you or they have moved.
    * If you hit someone for 35 HP or more with a shot, you can't use that same shot again until either you or they have moved.

# No 5 second grenades unless used with low gravity or max bounce
# All shots should be aimed to explode on impact with the opponents worm.
# Re-aim the crosshair between every turn, regardless of whether you landed a hit last turn or not.
# Don't teleport too close to your opponent's worm (try to stay at least half the map away).
# No notching unless you can't help it (ie, your perfect aim is 1 or 2 taps off vertical).
# No telecides (teleporting on your opponent when you have low health in order to inflict grave damage on them).
# No defensive girders, only use girders for bouncing nades.
# No Darksiding - You are not allowed to use a hide where you cannot aim directly at your opponent - If you are pushed into a hide and all you can do is zook/bank grenades, you may attempt up to 3 return shots and if any are successful you must move immediately to a hide where you have a direct angle to shoot towards your opponent, this prevents players hiding in such a way that their opponent has no means of a direct shot giving the "darksider" an unfair advantage.

Good luck and Have fun ! - Remember, you gotta be in it, to win it !

Quote from: lacoste on February 16, 2011, 03:26 PM
I can give you an example:

Once you accused Johnny or Nate that they did a notcher. It wasnt even looking like they did a notch for me for the first time. You were ok with it ingame. Then again his turn came, again he did the notching thing which didnt look like notching anyway, he didnt miss again, and you started to blame him. How about he pointed out second shot with a finger and he didnt miss? You wouldnt call him notcher then?

For the 1st part, how can you tell if he was notching or not, you don't fully understand the concept of it, 2nd if people use their thumb against me, which some actually do, I don't care, because they guessed their 1st shot, and still have to guess where to adjust it too and still hit the pwoer right and that is the most important part which you should understand and accept.

If he notched, it hit, and repeated by using his thumb, the worst thing here is obviously the fact he is repeating shots, which is the big reason I was dissapointed in that game.

Quote from: lacoste on February 16, 2011, 03:26 PMAnd thing is, learning 3 kind of nades to notch (dunno, marking it even on your screen or whatever) and playing like that is indeed lame and mechanical. But for example counting notches after your first shot was done right, lets say 6 notches, and then repeating it over and over is the same thing as pointing out with finger, with that difference finger is the faster.

For the last time, notching, and using my finger to get back to an aim I already had are NOT THE SAME f@#!ING THING I cannot stress how important the VAST difference is.

I have to guess my aim the 1st shot, for me to even adjust it, is still guessing how much I must adjust it by, I am still guessing which pwoer to use (learned by experience from experimenting and practising) so it is still instinctive the whole time, all I am doing, is getting back to an aim I just had, as fast as possible so I can adjust it, as fast as possible, so I can spend more time, thinking how I should change my shot.

Using my thumb to re-aim is something no one has to learn as it's straight-forward, most people figure it out themselve and it doesn't exactly take practise, therefor no one is at a disadvantage as anyone can do it 1st time straight away no hassle.

Notching, as I have already explained, takes away the fun and pride of guessing where you should be aiming completely, if you actually know what notching is and how to notch shots, and don't just pretend you do, you should know exactly how to use simple calculations to hit anywhere on the map no matter where a worm is with a variety of shots.

Notching is something very few people know exactly how to do it to it's full potential, it's a process that can take a long time to learn depending how good you are with simple calculations and remembering the distance of your worm, taking into consideration the difference in height as well as land that may or may not be in the line of fire.

It still doesn't take as long to get really good and being consistent with notching as it does to get good playing normally using your thumb.

Let's make a quick example:

I started playing BnG, I sucked but I got the hang of 3s grenades, 4s full pwoer and 5s LG shots amongst others after a few months playing about 10 hours a day when I didn't have a job, even now i've basically perfected them instinctivly but I still miss frequently, even if I re-aim using my thumb I still miss them from time to time.

When I started notching I perfected those shots within a week playing for a few hours a day, the day I learned notching I won a 2v2 Tournament with M3ntal, if I wasn't notching, I wouldn't have stood a chance as my consistency before I learned this, was literally with no exageration at least 10x worse.

When I stopped notching, I pretty much sucked again for about a year, but I played more and more and got more and more determined because it was MUCH MORE fun for me.


Seriously, this is so simple why can't you understand it and accept it, notching and using my thumb are 2 completely different things and using my thumb I don't even consider bad, let alone nowhere near as bad as notching.


Also, I have a certain respect for notching, while it is somewhat time-consuming to learn (not hard though), it is a skill in it's own world, I just feel it's completely unfair to everyone else who doesn't know how to do it or can't be assed learning how.

Quote from: lacoste on February 16, 2011, 03:03 PM
I dont know why are you still running this discussion. Its obvious that fixing aim (REAIMING) with notching gives advantage while using finger/texture gives even more advantage. Im ok with both coz its undedectable, everyone can do this and i dont see the point why should it be banned. In both cases you use your mind (couting) or finger. It just pushes into meaningless discussions.
Bng should be about the way you mix shots and try different things, nevermind how you learned it. And its obvious that trying over and over same shot fixing it to the previous position then adding 1-2 pixels proves nothing. I can also shoot 95% of my shots somewhere around the worm then all i need is to fix power/angle with 1 pixel and execute it correctly without messing things. If both players play like that, the one who hits more first or second time shots will win.

Using your finger/texture to re-aim does not give you more advantage than notching, for me it's the complete opposite, you don't even know how to notch properly so how can you compare them?

When I used to notch BnG like a robot, I very very VERY rarely missed shots in league games, even using my thumb I miss quite alot.

You make it sound like I just put the aim out there randomly without even trying, and if it misses, aim a lil more, miss, maybe a lil more, and finally get it right.

In funners, I don't care if someone notches, as long as they are doing cool shots, but when it comes to league games, you have no idea how powerful a notcher is compared against someone who doesn't notch, I re-aim with my thumb in a matter of 1-2 seconds so I have lots of time to think about the pwoer and focus, I can re-aim perfectly without doing this, I don't do it all the time, but I do it quite a bit.

If my grenade blows right in front of a worm, I have to re-aim it and adjust and get the pwoer the same the next turn, it's hard just to get the same pwoer 2 times in a row if it isn't full pwoer, when you notch, you can practically hit every shot 1st time, and if you don't, you aren't doing it right.

And one of the main things against notching was people using it with the same 3 shots over and over again, it was just lame, 4s fp, 5s lg, 4s fp, 5s lg, maybe a 3s, 4s fp, 4s fp etc.

Quote from: Prankster on February 16, 2011, 03:00 PM
Ok, I meant it's not 100% skill.

Why not?

I am still "guessing" how much adjustment I need to make, I still have to think what pwoer is needed, I still need to actually get that pwoer right.

With notching the only thing you need to get right is the pwoer, it's straight forward once you learn it, I still have to get my aim right by guessing the 1st time at least.

Alot of notchers, don't even know where to aim, they might know roughly, but they have to count it out to get it right.

Quote from: darKz on February 16, 2011, 02:42 PM
Yeah but so what.. I adjusted to the community - I didn't have to do that, it was my own free will.
Plus I don't know what exactly that's contributing to the topic, you're just mocking me.

Yeah me too, I ain't mocking you mate, you know how much respect I have for you when it comes to BnG, let's not forget our big conversations about BnG when you were joining b2b.

I am pretty sure it was KRD that convinced me that notching is lame, and made me feel like crap lol, so I was determined to get as good without notching.


Anyway dark, it's nice to see you finally getting involved with the b2b forums !

Quote from: Prankster on February 16, 2011, 02:36 PM

Quote from: Komito on February 16, 2011, 02:26 PM

Quote from: Prankster on February 16, 2011, 02:20 PM
Sure, Komo. And counting the taps is a little trick too.

That isn't a trick Prank lol.

You line up your screen with the enemy worm, you count the distance, you now know you have to press the direction arrow "x" amount of times, you shoot, you hit because of calculations.

That isn't a trick lol, that's just lazy and boring.

Sorry Komo, but I think using your finger is the same. Going 100% by instinct is what I call pure skill. I don't doubt your skills, but if you stopped notching to improve in natural skills, why don't you stop using your finger too?
To be clear I only use the "landscape trick", but I do feel a bit lame when I do that.

I would prefer if you didn't say it's the same, because it's not notching, if by "the same" you mean "just as bad" then you should say that.

I didn't start using my thumb to re-aim until about 3-4 years ago, about 1-2 years after I stopped notching.

To me, playing funners, I don't re-aim like this, but when I play league games, I do it alot when I miss the pwoer, I actually only really do it when I have the right aim but my pwoer is wrong.

I very rarely have the wrong aim, so it isn't as bad as you think.

Quote from: darKz on February 16, 2011, 02:35 PM
You didn't have to take that literally, I meant to say I did know how to hit an opponent wherever he is on the map. Don't split hairs now.

Sorry my bad lol, I get you now, but you got to admit, you were crap compared to notching when you didn't notch for the 1st year or something lol.

Quote from: Cueshark on February 16, 2011, 02:27 PM
I had a feeling you had a system Komo.  It's good that you are open with how you acheive your results.

Now open how I achieve my results?

Lol mate, I posted this method here over 8 months ago:

https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/b2b/bng-advice/

^^ Number 6

I have constantly mentioned this in games with people, especially the b2b members.

And either way, most of my shots hit 1st time, if you watch the game I posted a link to on page 2 of this thread, you will see that "re-aiming with my thumb" is not how I achieve my results, I hit every shot in that game, except the 5s LG Floorbank 1st time, that's from experience, not a little trick.

I use the thumb trick only when I know my aim is like 1 pixel off or the same aim is needed