Basically what Free said. Kaleu, read the thread before you post nonsense, Komo already said Hysteria has super special tactics to offer which noone knows about, but what he was actually talking about were his awesome and supreme BnG skills. What's your special tactic? Fingerroll? Don't make me laugh.

Don't twist words in my mouth, I never said Shopper was not a roping scheme. You have infinite ropes so it's quite obvious that it's exactly that. It's just not about roping very quick from spot A to spot B (we got 3 schemes covering this roping aspect) but rather about knocking, using weapons to their full potential etc, as I already said.

You're saying you wouldn't be totally confused by the fact (!) that sock "played"? I would. And probably also surrender, but already in turn 1.

I see your point Flori and I would agree to remove Shopper if it was as roping-based as wXw is.. Shopper is more about using weapons to their full potential, knocking and piling. Many find wXw more interesting/fun because of the speedy roping part and that's their reason for badmouthing Shopper while in reality taking away the speed roping part leaves more time for knocking (a much underestimated skill by the way) and a proper attack. With a good scheme and map it's deeper as you might think. I'm all for rebalancing the Shopper scheme but definitely against removing it.

About Big RR, I know it's a different kind of roping but it's really much much more similar to RR. It would also destroy the default-roping-equilibrium.

WookA actually said "wtf, rh, teams are wrong" at the very beginning of the replay. After seeing his replay, I really dunno what's so hard to understand Roperz.. Maybe you have a bad history playing each other but that doesn't really belong here.

I disagree about Big RR too, it's more of a fun roping scheme.. No chance as long as its big bro TTRR is already in the league.

I'm 99% sure I sent you the link when you joined. Not my fault! xD

http://www.team-coldfusion.de/board/index.php

Yea we got this TUS forum for public relations only, and it works perfectly.

Pretty good stuff.

You can leave this thread now and stop pushing it even more off topic, you're close to destroying yet another serious thread with so far fairly constructive arguments.

Quote from: Komito on July 05, 2012, 09:07 AM
You are wrong immediately because you are taking time into account, if you truly enjoy something, it doesn't matter how long it takes, it's worth it.

I don't enjoy teleporting around for 30+ minutes just for the sake of my opponent getting bored. Do you?

Quote from: Komito on July 05, 2012, 09:07 AM
I am way better at BnG than you, this is my ONLY secret weapon, and the occasional "idea" of risky shots only I would think of lol.

You spent as much time with grenades and zooks as I have, and you could be as good.

Yeah yeah, you're great at BnG and all that, but to be honest I knew this would be your answer so it's not surprising.. Let me sum this up. I've asked you what your special tactics are because you said you knew what to do and when to do it, you said you're on par with Random, and all you were talking about was the BnG part of Hysteria. Made a good point there I must say.

Drop the childish act already, you're not even talking about facts besides "how awesome you are".. Leave that to fictional characters like Barney Stinson..

I've made tons of good points why Hysteria in itself is flawed, others also have, you don't even answer to those points, you just say "I'm awesome at BnG, you're all jealous because that means I pwn Hysteria LOL". That's not even what this thread is about.

So I actually bothered to read your post.

Quote from: Komito on July 05, 2012, 08:33 AM
Yet, they want to take away, the most commonly fun scheme on TuS, and one of the most fun, easy to play and entertaining, not to mention one of the most competitive schemes WA has ever had if you have the skill level of players like me and Random for example competing against each other, you can't bash the scheme just because most of it's players aren't as good as the few really top players it has, if the whole world played WA, Hyst would be #1 and you would all shut the fk up.

Dude you sound like a MASSIVE fanboy.
If you really want to win Hyst you'll be teleporting around to places where you can't be hit until your opponent gets bored and stays in a stupid hide just to get a shot which he'll 99% miss or enforces SD where it becomes a gamble (the one enforcing SD is not always the one at advantage) - Hysteria can take 1h+ in this way, I've seen it all... If by now you still don't get what's f@#!ed up with the scheme, forget it, you probably don't want to see it.

Quote from: Komito on July 05, 2012, 08:33 AM
Once you realise, a win is a win, a loss is a loss, the knowledge of what needs to be done, how to do it and when it needs to be done, makes this a great scheme in the right hands and in the right minds, actually one of the least lucky schemes i've ever played, and i've been playing WA since 1999, and I am RIDICULOUSLY competitive.

I don't think you have deeper insight into "Hysteria tactics" than anyone else here. If you do, I'd like to see some of your awesome plays please.

Quote from: Komito on July 05, 2012, 08:33 AM
I see so many people asking for things they would soon forget about and get bored if it actually happened. They will ALWAYS find something to complain about, not because they are unhappy with TUS, but because they are unhappy with their lifes.

How come that most of the time you try to underline your statement with a ridiculously childish claim at the end? xD!

Quote from: HHC on July 04, 2012, 09:05 PM
Surely the popularity of the league is more important than the little nuissance called hyst? 

My personal opinion should be obvious enough.

Back when I was a noob I picked T17 all the time because it was the only scheme where I had decent winning odds due to crate luck. Nowadays it's Hysteria where there's not even crates. I'll let you guys do the conclusion to this statement.

Quote from: MonkeyIsland on July 04, 2012, 08:33 PM
darKz,
Gabriel is one of the best Hysteria players, true. But he has so much passion for winning that losing in Hysteria makes him get fed up. Besides did I miss him being here saying Hysteria is flawed? you mean this one "Hysteria sux " ?

Yeah that's what I meant actually. Why does it have to be people who are great at the scheme telling you (and others) what's wrong with a scheme? I could be awesome at Hysteria if I had a better mouse, I got the BnG and the tactics down no doubt and pretty much only fail at teleporting sometimes due to bad hardware. Am I not entitled my - by the way entirely logical and not biased - opinion about the flaws in the scheme?

@HHC: You're right about popularity being the main factor to decide the league schemes. But what's the worth in having 100 noobs (sorry) pick Hysteria nonstop in the league while 50 oldschoolers hate the scheme and eventually stop playing the league? Don't point your finger at the numbers, they're not real obviously.

Quote from: MonkeyIsland on July 04, 2012, 07:38 PM
Master a scheme, then come here and tell me "hey I'm so good in this scheme but I say this scheme is flawed for Classic league". Bring Dario here and let him tell me that Intermediate does not suit Classic league.

Gabriel is actually one of the best (or hardest trying? I dunno) Hysteria players out there and came here to say it sucks and is not exactly league worthy. The flaws in the scheme have been pointed out numerous times so it's not even a matter of "I lose Hysteria all the time, remove it" or anything along those lines, the claims do have their foundation.

Random: What about the time when Hysteria didn't even exist as a league scheme? It hasn't been around for that long and people already played leagues before it appeared. I don't think general activity would decrease by a whole lot to be honest.

Edit: I think I said this a while back but, we created a monster by accepting Hysteria in classic league...