I mean, if you're going to propose a change why not go the whole way?

- Only the worm going first needs to zook first turn.

okay but like when you enter a night club, you do realize most people there are just "happy" dancing off the beat? perhaps struggling to vocalize flawlessly? how many of those people are actually vomiting on the floor or so drunk they've lost it? you'll see those, but they're always a minority, if they weren't there wouldn't be any party to begin with.

Quote from: Komito on May 29, 2016, 10:59 AM
Yeah totally agree with you there redi

ropa, I did say the area where I live, not the entire world, maybe you should pay more attention to the thread before being ignorant and condescending.

The picture you showed, I wish it was more like that over here, those people look calm, interesting and positive, it feels like everywhere you turn here there are depressed, negative, violent and useless people.

surely you've gone to Edinburgh? How is it like there on a sunday on a pub street

Quotesmall minority of people who can handle their alcohol

you guys have absolutely no clue about the world it's amazing you survive a whole day.

Please travel, fix it.



I drink beer and wine almost daily, me and millions of people, and we behave just like any other day.

if you're talking about drunks, then you're mixing up minority and majority, and that's a worse offense to common sense.

the logic in your argumentation is partial, ergo, not logic at all.

zook first is there to give the player going second a higher chance of avoiding full damage by taking a hard hide (which should be easy if we trust you when you say maps are harder now)

Removing this factor makes going first even safer (that's bad for the competitiveness of the scheme)

Quote from: skunk3 on May 29, 2016, 05:41 AM
There's nothing wrong with the physics of the newer games. What is wrong with the newer games, PRIMARILY, is:

this is the problem with current society. Someone can see himself involved with an activity for almost 20 years but lack of self awareness unable him to make proper judgement.

It's as if people don't even grasp why the schemes we play, Elite, Bng, Roping, Rope racing and a long etcetera only have depth and a learning curve because the physics are complex and most importantly, coherent and predictable providing valid understanding.

skunk we go through this every new worms release since worms 3D.

as long as physics are dumbed down like they've been since WWP, the game's depth goes out the window and with it its learning curve, replayability and deep competitive aspect.

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Quote from: Peja on May 27, 2016, 09:46 PM
none of you will ever accept anything different than a remastered WA with some new gadgets.
we are a lost cause for t17, a bunch of guys being impossible to please.
theres no need to invest anything into a group of roughly 100 people playing a game from 1999, it would be a waste of time, and money.
the self-aggrandizement of this community is funny.
it was a nice gesture to visit these forums,leaking some stuff, asking for input etc.
its just stupid to compare t17 with blizzard, they play in total different leagues.
blizzard has a meaningful community being worth implementing advanced marketing ploys, worms armageddon does not.

I don't think you understand.  I am talking about the potential for seriously greater audience interaction by, for example, giving free copies of the beta to famous streamers and requesting that they play it on stream and talk about it, then gather the information meant to improve it, and get that person to stream it again.  That sort of thing could really open up the audience for the game and the company as a whole if they were willing to accept the input.  A good target person would be someone with lots of fans who's critical of the franchise already, TotalBiscuit.  There are some other good target people too.  The whole franchise could become much more popular with enough love and care.

i dont see any potential for turn based artillery games to get popular, otherwise we wouldnt play a title from 1999. worms is for people who enjoy hotseat brawls based on a comical setting, it offers turn based strategy + shooting/executing attacks.
the only popular turn based multiplayer games are trading card games, which is different thing. it seems like people prefer a dynamic enviroment when it comes to online games. if someone wants the combination of shooting and strategy, they can simply play mobas. its more popular, its more dynamic.

could t17 do better? the answer is yes. but its not needed, they dont get challenged from other companies in their niche. this already shows the limits of getting popular. the target group is too small for others to try to compete for it, but big enough to make a living by releasing a game every few years.
to stay with your example, Grinding Gear Games has to be innovative, otherwise their rivals would destroy them.

Team17 are very challenged in their niche. They're just competing with freemium mobile phone games and indie/free2play games on Steam. That is their competition right now. And it's fierce. Who is going to play Worms WMD when they can just play League of Legends, POE or Hearthstone? Not one single "gamer" person.

It might be a no return point. Team17 might not have the man power, resources or design capabilities to bring the turn based artillery mode to the front of the gaming industry but there's a very good middleground. There are lots of games with active communities. Lots and lots. Even free browser games without login (get in and check the amount of people in the lobby and games hosted at any given time... Plus I bet all of us can imagine a proper 2016 Worms game,  feature rich, super customization, amazing animations and terrain deformation and a complete online experience with daily quests, an incorporated clan system or even a hat shop. It will never happen and even if it did it's unlikely it would succeed, see Age of Empires Online, based on a much more popular franchise. There are many other examples of simple games succeeding based on competition, WA could do with Curve's (another browser game) competitive features, it's just snake! And hundreds of players compete daily in ladders, tournaments, clan games...

In my own experience. British kids are the worst party drinkers, I guess because they're not used to it due to harsh legislation in their own country.

Literally around 5 English teens (in their 20s) die every year in Spain trying to jump from balconies to pools. Only yesterday one passed away.

Komo gets bullied by scottish rednecks

if you have to ask I suggest you don't even try

Quote from: MonkeyIsland on May 27, 2016, 01:00 PM
Yea but my question was more pointed to the way komo described it. Drunk people harassing others. Getting drunk has many stages, from getting tipsy to total black-out and its effect varies from person to person. Getting drunk could actually soften an aggressive person.

But what's the ratio? How many of these drunks end of harassing others? How many times you see them crossing social boundaries? (let's say directly)

Social boundaries change dramatically from country to country. What's harassing? Fighting?

Imagine a club with 5.000 drunk people partying, if it's a big western europe city, in general, maybe 10 people will get into a serious fight? maybe none? maybe 100? it's never a relevant percentage. If crossing social boundaries is groping asses, saying naughty things or making fun of strangers then basically everyone does it, but it's not crossing any boundaries if that's what's expected of a young people night club nowadays, you go there and you know what's gonna happen beforehand.

Quote from: MonkeyIsland on May 27, 2016, 08:09 AM
How often do you see beer drinkers in public make loud, obnoxious stupid little immature f**ks aka assholes out of themselves who end up harassing others?

A little history of that question, I am in a country which any sort of alcohol consuming is forbidden by law. That hasn't stopped people though. You can buy high quality alcoholic drinks. There are many dealers. Many people make home-made beer/wine even. (a lot similar to weed in your country, it's illegal but it's around) But the point is, you don't see drunk people in the street. In my entire life, I've seen maybe couple of drunk people in the public. So I'm interested to know about the statistics of public alcohol drinking.

depends on the place and the social class

there is places you go specifically to get drunk, scottish pubs, night clubs.

and then there is restaurants where every table has two bottles of wine and you can't hear shit

I see drunk people when I go out at night. Day to day? None. But this varies a lot from city to city and neighborhood to neighborhood.

The Vatican is the country that consumes most wine per capita, you'll never see a drunk there.

it's lack of education that makes drunks, not the alcohol itself.

oh, it was introduced for something else other than 4 second nades?

then it's even more stupid!

at this point MI, I think you should admit you went ahead with this change without consulting anyone and after a 1on1 conversation with Chelsea, that way, the league gets to keep its reputation, and Chelsea his. But you're telling me this was discussed and no one raised an eyebrow and called it for what it is? useless, unproductive, futile, vain piece of shit rule that accomplishes absolutely nothing (in case my battery of synonyms wasn't enough).

All of you who knew about this change and didn't stop should be life banned from being involved in any decision making regarding Bng, in fact, I'd ban them from talking worms altogether and from being staff of a worms league, if that's what they are, bunch of idiots really.

See all those bad words? All those offenses, lack of f@#!ing respect? I'll take it all back, apologize and admit to be an out of line arrogant pizzasheet if any of the people that were in favor (or not against) the incorporation of this rule, to argument how it has been productive at all. Because as it stands, the rule only serves as a gimmick tool for idiots to increase their chances of winning games without ever learning how to play bng.

Thank you for that, another scheme you can add to the list of schemes you've ruined by being clueless and careless. Remember the first time you banned me from this site? I was making unfunny jokes about this same thing happening. Almost a decade ago.

Quote from: Senator on April 21, 2015, 09:35 PM
I'm surprised if majority actually picks unofficial version of the scheme. Probably many pick/demand BnG with /ts just because it's official rule and they are used to it, not because they think it's better that way

avirex and chelsea just pick it to increase their chances at winning at a scheme they know they're worse at.

they couldn't care less about enjoyment or being used to shit, for instance.

makes you think about the quality of the rule to begin with. Makes you wonder if when the staff was approached and told they had an answer for the abuse of 4seconds they considered anything else about the Bng scheme before making such a change for the sake of gratuite and counterproductive.... PROGRESS.