Casso, I saved the shot to our dropbox, keep it up.

A link, see? Now we're getting somewhere. I can talk to Bytor about it.
I have been giving the credit, that's the thing.

Impo, you have my blessing to do it.

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Sigh. A total of 2 people heard about it so far, I'll gladly add to the description anything that says more than 'some NNN guy' 'perhaps it was posted on private forums' etc (still- did that already on on the scheme page) but so far no one has provided me with anything remotely close to that, what more credit do you want? The idea behind is so simple I wouldn't be surprised that it has been 'invented' multiple times already, it's just no one took the time to actually consider it as anything more than a random scheme.

Never once I claimed full credit for it (which pains me greatly because I had 2 witnesses with me when it was created and obviously it was completely unrelated),
besides of course its name and countless hours spent on promoting and beta-testing it, or what I prefer to call all that - developing it. I've grown to be passionate about it and it makes me really happy to see people ask about it on #ag and see how much addictive it has become to some of them.
So get your facts right before going all personal on me because I jokingly took a small jab at you in another thread.

Check out 4:03 in the first game as well while you're at it, even though it failed - was a really nice try. Husk's a beast in this.

4:27 4th game.
When everything seems lost... Huskyboy comes up with the best abnormal solution ever!

I can't download replays here - 'The replay you are looking for does not exist.'

Quote from: HHC on March 10, 2013, 02:19 PM
I don't think they will vote exactly the same.
If there would be voting at all. I guess the first step would be to discuss the matters and try to find a certain compromise that everyone in the council approves of. If only 4 people support it and 3 are really against it wouldn't be driven through as far as I see it.
All the people on avi's list (to take an example) are pretty open minded, except free maybe  But the rest is pretty diplomatic. Pretty sure they can figure something out that pleases 'everyone'.
MI would have veto of course. It's his league, any measures that threaten the league's existence can be annulled that way.

That's how it would work in an utopian world, yes. The thing is, by selecting people from different backgrounds and with different opinions on the matter you'll never find a compromise that would satisfy all of them - because it would also mean that the decision would satisfy everyone in the community (well, maybe besides the most stubborn conservatives), and it will eventually come down to voting. Voting is bad. Why? Because just like Peja said, I'm interested to see what makes some people more qualified than the others and why are we omitting so many important members from even being considered? We'll never reach consensus at the very first step - of picking the right people. (Unless you make it clan dependent, which actually sounds like a less ridiculous idea because more people would be involved in the voting.)
For example, I wouldn't trust free to walk my dog after his posts, but that's just me being subjective, he might very well be the best man for the job in avi's eyes.

Quote from: HHC on March 10, 2013, 02:19 PM
The whole community will start to interfere then and flame ppl if they don't like their opinion. As long as the council members are open to suggestions and discuss their opinions also in the public thread, I don't see any real problem with keeping the actual decisionmaking private.

That's why I said certain people, and by that I meant the council people and staff. Limiting the discussion for only council members to see would make the adjustment be questioned by the community from the very start, and what's even worse - the actual competence behind some of the decision makers would be hidden.

Quote from: HHC on March 10, 2013, 02:19 PM
I don't think the community, in this form, can agree on an alternate scheme to test out. There's just thousands of opinions and everyone sticks to their own. What's MI supposed to do? Pick one forum post out at random that seems worth a try and force that? I don't see it happen.

The changes that have been made so far have been taken after discussion among the TUS staff... in private, not as a result of one of these countless scheme proposal threads.
And that's not because the TUS staff doesn't listen to people, it's because everyone shouts something else.

With 9 or even 11 or 13 experts who know where the schemes are lacking and who know how to reach compromises it will be SIXTY times easier to reach agreements on scheme fixes.
And with MI and the TUS staff looking after everyone's interest and hopefully council members that are not afraid to ask for advice from outside, it should really be an improvement to TUS.

I absolutely agree with you that the community is incapable of making any changes, that's how democracy work. There will always be people who aren't happy with the decisions. That's why I'm against setting up a council at all and just going full dictatorship on this one. I feel like a lot of people find MonkeyIsland to be incompetent as a league leader just looking at the sole idea of setting up a council and diminishing his role in the community. And honestly, that's where the problem is right now, MI's just being too safe and too conservative with his decisions.
I am perfectly aware how the decision making looked until now. Remember the 7 girder change in t17? People weren't happy at the beginning, but they eventually got used to it (and would never go back to inf) and that's how I see it should be done. Force the /ts in bng, force the change in hyst for a season, see how it plays out. We can talk theory for months, but without actions nothing will change.

Don't worry man, I'll help you out with a bit more accurate translation.

'Maciej, you're so retarded
go suck a bag of dicks, you faggot
Maciej is gay
a complete zero
and go f@#! yourself, this is the last time we're playing vs each other'

Berria you get an applaud for the creativity!

I don't like that list, I don't find most of people there qualified enough, so what do we do now? You guys are trying to play politics in the community that is literally driven by drama. The whole council idea is ridiculous and should be seen as such.
What are your plans, to go for democracy in the council? with 4 people fist forcing any rule as they wish? In avi's list you have 3 people who recently were clanmates and are likely to vote the same way - how's that f@#!ing fair for democracy. It obviously won't work, and all you'll do is piss off a bunch of people.
HHC, setting up a secret forum that hides the decision making process is even more ridiculous, if anything make it open, but allow only certain people to post in it.

That being said, I'm all up for changes proposed in another thread, I think the current schemes are outdated and could be easily improved. I'd just trial test them for a season one by one, without all this. The council idea must be the most moronic thing I've read on tus for years.

2!

Quote from: Korydex on March 09, 2013, 06:56 AM
Is it OIL scheme?

Not sure what's OIL, but if means the same as ONL, then yes.

24 people, that's very nice!

Groups paired, good luck all!
If anyone wants to sign up for a reserve list, drop a line - you'll get replaced in case someone's inactive.

Congratulations to Casso for winning the cup, there's no stopping you now, huh?

Thanks everyone for participating, means a lot to me! <3

Sign-ups open!

Thanks fada, that means a lot!

Impo, 16 worms per player doesn't work simply because the arsenal is shared and the games become very stale at the end. We've tested every possible combination and 8 vs 8 seems like the most optimal and fun one. Also keeping games short like that makes bo5 last less than one t17 game. Yup.

Starting advantage gets nicely countered by the round system, the biggest flaw so far is the initial placement in some of the games - just like in inter, although on a slightly bigger scale. (doesn't happen too often when hosted with proper maps, but it still happens). For example in 5 rounds I played vs d1 in our cup, we had 1 game that was decided purely by the placement and 4 remaining, close games that could have been won by both players.

Me and casso will be hosting the cup soon, we're hoping to get 16 players at least.

EDIT: https://www.tus-wa.com/cups/cup-552/