Quote from: Chicken23 on July 07, 2012, 01:20 PM
Your exaggerating though, free league schemes never have enough popularity to become classic league schemes. Alot of people will play hysteria without any problems? How else is it having alot of picks in the league?

I'll quote myself on this one.

Quote from: darKz on July 04, 2012, 09:11 PM
Back when I was a noob I picked T17 all the time because it was the only scheme where I had decent winning odds due to crate luck. Nowadays it's Hysteria where there's not even crates. I'll let you guys do the conclusion to this statement.

If you fancy your chances more in Hysteria, with the fact how good you are at BnG, that doesn't really surprise me tbh, but I don't see it from your perspective so...

Quote from: Chicken23 on July 07, 2012, 10:33 AM
Instead of crying about it cr8 rape, bad weapons in t17 or poor winds in bng, just get on, face the music and enjoy worms for what it is.

Worms is a very customizable game, and with 4.0, it will be almost completely customizable.  That is what worms is.  The schemes that haven't been touched for years because of tradition is not what worms is.  Keeping zook first turn rule in roper, a rule that originated from w2 because the placements were random and there needed to be a rule in place that prevented unlucky first turn fall damage, is not what worms is.  We have manual placings now, we don't need this rule at all.  As I've said before, this rule can be an unlucky disadvantage due to the wind you are forced to use.  My point is we have the ability to improve schemes due to WAs variety of options and tweaks.  That is what worms is.  WA gives us replays.  You would think we'd be optimistic about them to help settle disputes and outcomes of the game.  Nope, not this community.  We're too stubborn to check replays to see what team was actually faster in a RACING game.  Now we must settle for a flawed system because once again, opinions and subjectively override fact and objectivity. 

Hysteria with 3 seconds, limited teleports, and a handful of added weapons, like aerial but without all the extra bullshit that comes with it, would mend much of the flaws in the scheme. 

Quote from: ShyGuy on July 07, 2012, 04:49 PM
Hysteria with 3 seconds, limited teleports, and a handful of added weapons, like aerial but without all the extra bullshit that comes with it, would mend much of the flaws in the scheme. 

Quote from: ShyGuy on July 07, 2012, 04:49 PM
Hysteria with 3 seconds, limited teleports, and a handful of added weapons, like aerial but without all the extra bullshit that comes with it, would mend much of the flaws in the scheme. 

I just flatout disagree with that. It'd playout as a completely different game, with different gameplay.

Quote from: Komito on July 07, 2012, 04:13 PM
If you fancy your chances more in Hysteria, with the fact how good you are at BnG, that doesn't really surprise me tbh, but I don't see it from your perspective so...

Dude, do you even understand his point?

He's saying newbies pick hysteria vs better players because it's the scheme with the biggest gamble outcome.

Quote from: Komito on July 07, 2012, 05:04 PM

Quote from: ShyGuy on July 07, 2012, 04:49 PM
Hysteria with 3 seconds, limited teleports, and a handful of added weapons, like aerial but without all the extra bullshit that comes with it, would mend much of the flaws in the scheme. 

I just flatout disagree with that. It'd playout as a completely different game, with different gameplay.

Because the broken mechanics of the scheme would be eliminated.  Agreed

Quote from: Komito on July 07, 2012, 05:04 PM
I just flatout disagree with that. It'd playout as a completely different game, with different gameplay.

Great flaws require great changes.

Quote from: ShyGuy on July 07, 2012, 05:12 PM
Because the broken mechanics of the scheme would be eliminated.  Agreed

That's just an opinion shared by some, just the same as my opinion which is shared by some too, I wonder if the whole world was entitled their opinion?

Maybe more would agree with me, maybe more would agree with you.

But put it this way, I think 5s SD is the only change needed, maybe 6s, but if they change Hysteria, in any way that you mentioned, i'd personally never play it in a League again, cuz I would feel like you guys completely f@#!ed it up, I don't know how many feel the same way.

I think 5s SD and limited teleport (like 20?) could work.

Quote from: MonkeyIsland on July 07, 2012, 05:20 PM
I think 5s SD and limited teleport (like 20?) could work.

How do we do 20 teleport, I thought max was 9 or 10?

20-25 teleports actually sounds pretty nice... More for 2v2, like 30-40.

It's perfectly fine to have an opinion and post it here Komo but you've done that like 10 times in this thread already, your opinion is not gonna change that's also fine but you're outright ignoring facts which makes it kinda awkward to read your self-centered posts all the time.

Limiting teleports, sounds interesting but I'm not sure about that.. Gotta test it and see how it goes once you run out of teles I guess.
You can put any number of teleports from 0 to 255 (I think) with any external scheme editor Komo.

We've already had this debate before.  Hysteria doesn't meet the criteria for a competitive game (one that involves risks and rewards).  There's a lack of ways to gain an advantage in this scheme - if you kill a lot, die a lot, whatever, the scales never tip in the favor of someone and that is terrible for a competitive scheme.  If you want to argue that you should just take good top hides, I will argue that league schemes need to be as diverse as possible, and we already have bng to fill the role of top hide hysteria

The 3s turn scheme thingy is not about changing hysteria, its about replacing it with something new yet similar. And i can bet my limbs + kidney as a bonus that it will play well, of course when scheme was designed well.

Quote from: darKz on July 07, 2012, 05:26 PM
It's perfectly fine to have an opinion and post it here Komo but you've done that like 10 times in this thread already, your opinion is not gonna change that's also fine but you're outright ignoring facts which makes it kinda awkward to read your self-centered posts all the time.

You and Shy, and the rest of you, are doing the exact same thing.

And I ain't ignoring anything, you think I am, I just don't see it the way you guys do, and I don't believe they are flaws.