Quote from: style on July 27, 2024, 04:34 PMThough luck, why?

Well - if I look onto a case where 2 similar ropers play big rr and the one is having a bigger screen, which defo makes it easier to play, is brutal unfair. Despite the popularity we should not forget that it's the PO where games shouldn't be decided by such aspects.

So we're allowed to buy better PC's, better keyboards, better mice, but we're not allowed to buy bigger screens for some reason?

My monitor is only 27" and I can play Big RR just fine.

The truth, from my perspective, is that it's a scheme you simply either don't enjoy, or cannot be bothered spending the time to get good at. Just the same as I don't want to ever play Intermediate or Team17, I'd just give out free wins because life is too short to do things you don't enjoy.

I like the idea of rejecting one scheme

In my opion, there could be two gameplay league styles:

1) Players pick the schemes they want to play, from a determined list/pool of accepted schemes. They ban schemes, although, schemes like Team17 wouldn't be banned, because in general even the less skilled players have a real chance of winning. While in Intermediate and Rope Race, these schemes would be banned frequently. Not sure if this is the ideal proposal, but it could be interesting.

2) Scheme-specific leagues for any schemes. Each scheme has its own league, and players ban maps in schemes that the map matter (custom maps). Players ban Special Weapons in Intermediate. In Hysteria I don't know what could be banned, maybe nothing. I think each scheme having its own league would be the ideal proposal, this way there's only complaining about maps, special weapons, and variation scheme files. Everybody play the scheme they want this way, all good players on a scheme would play against the good players of that scheme. A newbie would suffer joining a new scheme league, many addicted pros in each league. Underground schemes could be played on their own league.

Both ideas could exist together, depending on the league mode the players want to play.

Quote from: TheKomodo on July 27, 2024, 05:58 PM

Quote from: style on July 27, 2024, 04:34 PMThough luck, why?

Well - if I look onto a case where 2 similar ropers play big rr and the one is having a bigger screen, which defo makes it easier to play, is brutal unfair. Despite the popularity we should not forget that it's the PO where games shouldn't be decided by such aspects.

So we're allowed to buy better PC's, better keyboards, better mice, but we're not allowed to buy bigger screens for some reason?

My monitor is only 27" and I can play Big RR just fine.

The truth, from my perspective, is that it's a scheme you simply either don't enjoy, or cannot be bothered spending the time to get good at. Just the same as I don't want to ever play Intermediate or Team17, I'd just give out free wins because life is too short to do things you don't enjoy.

Contradicting what you said, I love big rr but not this from the current league, I like the LDET version.. I made several maps, but I recognize that I can't play at the same level as other players because I don't have/won't buy a bigger monitor just to play rr lol.

There's no reason to make things difficult, big rr is the only scheme that is an exception to the rule, all the other schemes in the league use the native size and are backed by the rule to demand a standard size map if the opponent chooses a large map.

Also I could say the same thing using your perspective but with the reverse argument:
How can someone force themselves to get good/enjoy something if the person is already starting at a disadvantage? There's no point in bothering, I can relate.

Hopefully we get to remove this scheme from league already or at least get to ban schemes, it's something.

Quote from: MonkeyIsland on July 27, 2024, 06:01 PMI like the idea of rejecting one scheme

Give it a try next season and we'll collect experience about how it's going. We can still abstain from it if it sux.

You guys being serious now? It's not really advantage. Like everything, it takes time to get used to 1920x1080. Lot of people here tried and gave up. I can assure you. Took me few weeks, if not months as well.. Because everything feels slower and you're really at disadvantage in most of the other schemes, because someone on lower resolution will see pixels on the map lot easier than us who play at full hd. Only "advantage" of this resolution is that you'll see more of the map when flying down with worm in a big rr labyrinth. And you seriously proposing to remove this scheme because you don't wanna try bigger resolution? Or even worse reason - you don't wanna buy a monitor?

Even if you're that cheap that you won't buy a full hd monitor in 2024. (pretty sure you can get one for the price of 2 beers), you can get 1920x1080 resolution even on the smaller res monitors. With nvidia control panel or, probably, lot more free programs.

Can't believe these posts even exists.

Basically yeah what Sensei said...

WIth the addition I play different schemes with different keyboards and resolutions.

Quote from: MonkeyIsland on July 27, 2024, 06:01 PMI like the idea of rejecting one scheme

Yes, banning one or two schemes each will allow for greater balancing, as Stylez said.

In my opinion, this will increase the adherence and interest of less skilled players in playing leagues.

I could win a series vs anyone picking hyst - bng - aerial, just saying. 

There should be one ban 100%, it's allround league, not specialist league.  In addition, my series vs blitz are a bit boring at start because he always picks ttrr and I lose, then I pick aerial and always win.  Anticlimax, would be better series if one scheme was banned.  We recently played a series and blitz decided not to pick ttrr, I decided not to pick aerial, and it was a better series because of it.

I have tried playing at 1080p and get constant screenlag, my computer is also pretty decent, i7 processor and a GEForce graphics card. Probably not many people have this problem, but yeah it's there.

Quote from: style on July 27, 2024, 04:34 PMI don't get your point about some schemes having less luck involved here. What exactly do you mean?

If you are the worse roper, you will likely ban TTRR rather than Roper because in Roper you can get lucky with crates, right? So I think most of the time one of the players will ban TTRR.

Yeah man, you are god damn right, ofcourse everyone shares the same reality and conditions.
I really hope you are trolling or using exagerated hyperbole there..
But If you are serious I bet you had a boner indirectly calling others poor saying that you make enough money to equate such a purchase with buying 2 beers, rofl.

Anyway, I was mostly venting when I proposed to remove it, it's not an issue right now, the amount of times it's picked can be considered negligible so I couldn't care less.
Let's focus on the banning ideas.

The whole idea of necessity to change the resolution just to fit a SINGLE scheme is just ridiculous. We're basically benefiting the exception and not the rule. Sorry for double post and not quoting.

Quote from: Kaleu on July 27, 2024, 10:56 PMThe whole idea of necessity to change the resolution just to fit a SINGLE scheme is just ridiculous. We're basically benefiting the exception and not the rule. Sorry for double post and not quoting.

We are free to play however we want, why wouldn't anyone who takes the game seriously not take advantage of all the tools at our disposal?

I need lower resolution so everything looks bigger in ground schemes like BnG & Elite, it helps a lot, same with Aerial, Hysteria, and Grenade Wars.

I use different keyboards for different schemes as well, Wooting 60HE for TTRR, Big RR and Wascar, Keychron for WxW and Roper. Corsair K65 Vengeance for BnG and other ground schemes.

You can't just make rules up because some people cannot afford better equipment, that's also one reason why I've been doing prize money is to help those people perhaps make some money towards these things

It might be a good idea to be able to ban schemes, I remember playing in a cup with a similar banning mechanism. It worked nicely.

Also, I would like to make an additional proposal for the future TUS 3.0 update that includes the new league system. According to MI, there will be one big league in the new system, and all schemes, allround and free, will be part of that league. I don't know how the playoffs will work in this new system, but in order to have a PO system similar to Allround POs instead of a PO with more than 30 schemes to choose from, we can do the following:

• Only the 7 most popular schemes of the season will be used in the PO. If a season takes 60 days, the most played 7 schemes from those 60 days should be used in the PO. I hated the elitism behind the Classic schemes. If a non-Classic scheme, such as Grenade Wars let's say, is popular enough to make it to the Top 7, it should be part of the PO instead of a less active Classic scheme that didn't make it.
• For every PO match, the players ban one scheme each and play their match with the remaining 5 schemes as Bo5.
• If you think that this system can lead to certain disadvantages (for example, if there are more than three rope schemes in the Top 7, this can be a big disadvantage for non-ropers), then you can divide the schemes into three groups (Artillery, Physical, Strategic, for example, just like Komo suggested) and each season the three most popular schemes from these three groups are selected (nine schemes in total) and players ban two schemes each in POs (9-[2+2]=5, so you will have 5 schemes for Bo5 games).