Quote from: Free on December 04, 2011, 10:41 PM
WORMSCON IS COMING!!!

Colon just sent me my plane tickets in the mail the other day.  I'm excited!

Quote from: Mablak on December 04, 2011, 09:45 PM
Well of course, you wouldn't be able to use paper to aim. Think about how lame using paper or markings would look to someone watching you play in real life, it's just not how high level gaming should work.

That's true. True gaming would be the environment which players play on a big screen like a cinema and people watching them. You can't even use your thumb or anything like that there. It would be just you, keyboard and the big screen. Based on that, no visual aids, no programs, nothing would be possible.

So.. glasses are "visual aids" too?

Quote from: Statik on December 05, 2011, 06:26 AM
So.. glasses are "visual aids" too?

That's right stat, you really just have to accept the way you were made, no eyesight cheating.

But here's something else to consider, a person could simply write down every BnG shot applicable to a certain distance, and merely look at it every turn. If the worm were 800 pixels away, you could just look at your list of shots and choose one based on how easy it is and how much angle you have. Maybe it's a stretch to call that a 'visual aid' but it's some kind of aid at least.

ITT Mablak reveals why he's so good at bng

Quote from: sock on December 04, 2011, 09:50 PM

Quote from: Mablak on December 04, 2011, 09:45 PM
Well of course, you wouldn't be able to use paper to aim. Think about how lame using paper or markings would look to someone watching you play in real life, it's just not how high level gaming should work.

about as lame as it would look just playing worms period, comparing apples and oranges there

ye it's pretty shameful init 

Quote from: Mablak on December 05, 2011, 06:42 AM
But here's something else to consider, a person could simply write down every BnG shot applicable to a certain distance, and merely look at it every turn. If the worm were 800 pixels away, you could just look at your list of shots and choose one based on how easy it is and how much angle you have. Maybe it's a stretch to call that a 'visual aid' but it's some kind of aid at least.

Glad you said that, that list/table of shots is a very good aid. Now on the next level, what if someone learn it by heart? You know like math multiply table. That makes it OK?

I myself would love to learn such table. I find my BnG skills needs warming like roping. I need to play a bit to get the hang of my shots. But with such "table of shots" I can play BnG anytime, even when I'm not in the mood.

if people can just write down all the shots, why have a scheme like that in a league?  there's no skill there.  What if you could program the best and fastest way for your worm to rope through a rr map by magic? why would we have a ttrr scheme then? same thing, except people can actually do that lame shit with bng

Legalize every non software based aid!

I dont see how you guys think that using a piece of paper will take away any skill in this game. I would make some tutorials for some easy visual aids for those who dont know yet.
I really dont like taking away that many possibilities.

Regarding the "writing down shots in bng"-discussion: I wanted to do this at one point, but I was simply too lazy to do it, cause its really a lot of work if you wanna have a good table.
I think there's nothing wrong to write down such a table if you wanna do it. Everyone could do it, so its no unfair advantage at all.

Imo, nearly every player in the top20 tel standings has some visual aid for kamikaze. It just makes playing more accurate and the quality of the games is better.

QuoteYou don't need to know everything, you just gotta know where its written down.

it isn't as much work as you think.  Just look at how many people have learned how to notch.  Anyone can figure out how to test that stuff offline and write it down.  I mean, it doesn't really reflect skill when any scrub can do that

Quote from: ShyGuy on December 05, 2011, 03:52 PM
it isn't as much work as you think.  Just look at how many people have learned how to notch.  Anyone can figure out how to test that stuff offline and write it down.  I mean, it doesn't really reflect skill when any scrub can do that

why noone did it then?

Quote from: Peja on December 05, 2011, 03:54 PM

Quote from: ShyGuy on December 05, 2011, 03:52 PM
it isn't as much work as you think.  Just look at how many people have learned how to notch.  Anyone can figure out how to test that stuff offline and write it down.  I mean, it doesn't really reflect skill when any scrub can do that

why noone did it then?

people have done it before... and besides, it doesn't matter if just a small minority have done it, doesn't make it any less lame in theory.  Like Mab said, if it were against the rules, at least that would prevent the law abiders from doing it... if a rule implementation only made one person stop, it's a success as opposed to having that one more person still doing that shit

one thing keeps me from doing any of these cheating methods - laziness.  I can't be assed to figure any of this shit out, but if someone wants to send me a modded monitor im cool with that.   

i tried to put in some marks but i really failed.

Most monitors have something written under the screen, I know that my old screen hat weird painting under the screen where I just related the color to the distance, if the worm was standing near "blue" I knew that it's a straight up full power Zook with 1 strength to the left. Since it was a symmetrical it applied to both wind sides.

Later on I just extended that by making additional markings since it made sense to me, never felt like cheating to me tbh. I actually thought it is smart, lol.

Quote from: Random00 on December 05, 2011, 02:09 PMRegarding the "writing down shots in bng"-discussion: I wanted to do this at one point, but I was simply too lazy to do it, cause its really a lot of work if you wanna have a good table.

Easier to notch, right ?

Anyway, I'm gonna draw on a layer the worms position (1) + every shots angle & power (2).
So I'll just have to put it on my screen and crop my worm with (1) and the aim with (2).

It's not a prog, just some "help".
Since everybody does it, I'll too. Except I tell you I'll do.


PS: I'm glad to have fairly beaten many of those cheaters.